5 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Just for those who were worried about Grimes he was place on our IR after clearing waivers 

Yeah figured that would happen. Who’s picking up an undrafted injured guy. He was safe to clear waivers.

5 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I take all these reports with a grain of salt….Players that won’t go on record but numerous players coming out defended him even guys like Jenkins and Long who weren’t with the team 

It wasn’t just one report. And it was over six players. And the guy clearly had lost the locker room this past season. We also clearly saw every time the backup came in the players performed better. Even on defense. Too much smoke for their not to be fire.

5 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I mean they played about the same but Wentz should have definitely played at a higher level… But the entire team was a mess at the same time…..

Our QB play was dreadful last season and part of that was purely the QBs others was the terrible team around them. Poor OL play, poor WR play injuries etc. 

Wasn’t the only time Wentz didn’t play fantastic. I’d say he performed below franchise level more than he did above.

4 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Ham has an agenda

it's pretty clear

Sadly no. I was forced into this line of thinking. I bought a Wentz jersey. Heck it was my idea that we should trade up for him before we actually did. It was really frustrating what happened. But I can’t just close my eyes and make excuses for Wentz endlessly. Too much evidence to the contrary now. So I had to move on. 

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I just put more value in players putting there name out on the record about a guy…. Chris Long and Jenkins neither are afraid to speak there minds and neither was with the team so I find it hard they wouldn’t speak truthfully about it… If Wentz was bad teammate or remotely like they are saying they would have said it.

Long is the one that built a shrine to Foles, no?

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I just put more value in players putting there name out on the record about a guy…. Chris Long and Jenkins neither are afraid to speak there minds and neither was with the team so I find it hard they wouldn’t speak truthfully about it… If Wentz was bad teammate or remotely like they are saying they would have said it.

Sure any player is going to come out against the Franchise guy. Might as well just tell your boss to F off....would be equivalent.

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think the key thing with Milton....was who he was playing against that was on the other side of the line.

So teammates matter

Obviously a factor. But the guy played against Miami and some big conference guys. Watch the film...he’s beating double teams. Plenty of guys come from smaller schools and are successful in the NFL. The guys testing numbers back him up also. Was the best in plenty of categories compared to any Dline of the last twenty years. I’d say it makes his learning curve steeper. But the guys going to be good. 

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sadly no. I was forced into this line of thinking. I bought a Wentz jersey. Heck it was my idea that we should trade up for him before we actually did. It was really frustrating what happened. But I can’t just close my eyes and make excuses for Wentz endlessly. Too much evidence to the contrary now. So I had to move on. 

Long is the one that built a shrine to Foles, no?

And he supported Wentz and said he wasn’t a terrible teammate soooo yea I take his word more then someone who doesn’t put there name on it 

22 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wasn’t the only time Wentz didn’t play fantastic. I’d say he performed below franchise level more than he did above.

Yea 2017 when he was mvp level 2018 when he played with a bad back and still put up numbers oh and 2019 when he carried nobodies on O to the playoffs…. not franchise level nope…. Lmao fail 

25 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It wasn’t just one report. And it was over six players. And the guy clearly had lost the locker room this past season. We also clearly saw every time the backup came in the players performed better. Even on defense. Too much smoke for their not to be fire.

And not a single player was named yet Kelce, Sanders, Jenkins, Long, Lane and many other came out in support after those articles…. And again Jenkins and Long were not with the team they had zero to fear speaking there truths not that either guy would have shy away if they were on the team.

27 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wasn’t the only time Wentz didn’t play fantastic. I’d say he performed below franchise level more than he did above.

But 4 ints 8fumbles and 52% was playing franchise level lmao… At least if you going to speak on bad play make it consistent Hurts was terrible last year and needs to make massive strides in year two. 

I agree with Ham that Wentz played below franchise level more than not.

2016 he was a rookie playing with scrub WRs.  Shouldn't play franchise level

2017 , good supporting cast, MVP level with team absolutely dominant 

2018 coming off serious injury, team was all injured around him. 

2019, worst supporting cast ( until Howie's " hold my beer" 2020 team)  took that team to winning record while breaking records.  

2020 ... sucked on a team with records level of injuries,inexperience and changing lineups.

I just look at it as the franchise failing him where some fans are so ( I don't want to say stupid or immature,  but I don't have better words at the moment)  that they just think their players should succeed in any environment.  The team is never at fault ...etc.   

My favorite " 5th year"   lol.   Put that crap around any QB and it don't matter what year in his career it is.  The absolutely worst argument to make. 

Now you flip it to Hurts.  He was worse.  But the team stunk, you can't judge him.  You can't judge him much after this year either.    The only things I'm looking at from Hurts, is his arm strength going to be an issue on plays that go off script.   And can he make throws while running to his left.    All the other stuff will come with experience and playing on a better team.  But ultimately if those issues remain,  good teams will beat him when it matters.   

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I just look at it as the franchise failing him where some fans are so ( I don't want to say stupid or immature,  but I don't have better words at the moment)  that they just think their players should succeed in any environment.  The team is never at fault ...etc.   

A lot of fans see it as………He's making this much money? Then he should play like Superman!

5 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

A lot of fans see it as………He's making this much money? Then he should play like Superman!

Money doesn't make you play better,  teammates do. QBs are about to be $50 mil per year... Indy has their guy at half price. 

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Money doesn't make you play better,  teammates do. QBs are about to be $50 mil per year... Indy has their guy at half price. 

Agreed. LOL……just saying what seems to be consensus with people that don't really follow team close. But pretty much just root for a team. Then you have the ones who change teams according to who they think will win the SB LOL. 

If anyone on here misses GBNC, please tell him to get his butt back on here. I know he is still following LOL. 

6 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

If anyone on here misses GBNC, please tell him to get his butt back on here. I know he is still following LOL. 

Hopefully he comes back after the PC   BS passes

Resigned Richard Rodgers he is the likely backup to Geodart this season 

19 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Now you flip it to Hurts.  He was worse.  But the team stunk, you can't judge him.  You can't judge him much after this year either.    The only things I'm looking at from Hurts, is his arm strength going to be an issue on plays that go off script.   And can he make throws while running to his left.    All the other stuff will come with experience and playing on a better team.  But ultimately if those issues remain,  good teams will beat him when it matters.   

I do essentially agree with this statement I’m just not a double standard fan of your going to use the team was terrible excuse for Hurts but then blame Wentz for all his short comings at least do the same with all players 

For Hurts I’m looking for a Mcnabb 2000s ish type jump in year to…. 3000 yards passing 25 tds under 12 ints…. 600 rush 3-5 tds under 5 fumbles(total can can’t put the ball on the ground like last year) even if you fumble and we recover most times it’s a negative play still 

This is a pretty good article on sacks taken by Wentz last year.

Carson Wentz to blame for Philadelphia Eagles sack issue - Sports Illustrated Indianapolis Colts News, Analysis and More

This guy also has done a pretty good job deep diving into Wentz's issues with mechanics, as well as highlighting some things he does well.

The bottom line is that while the team obviously had issues last year, they were made a lot worse by our qb. Ultimately, I think it was a good thing for both him and the team that he went to Indy. He is apparently working with a coach on mechanics that he worked with early in his career, and I think he will adjust his game to Indy's offense.

As this writer pointed out, Wentz last year seemed to want to operate outside of the confines of the offense for some reason. For example, he threw only eight passes to receivers running drag routes all year, which is ridiculous. Especially since Reagor, Hightower and Watkins were three guys who could potentially turn those routes into big gains.

 

 

3 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This is a pretty good article on sacks taken by Wentz last year.

12 out of 50 he put on Wentz…. I mean that is to many by Wentz but that still 38 sacks given up by the OL that still isn’t good inn12 games.

Team was a mess all around 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

12 out of 50 he put on Wentz…. I mean that is to many by Wentz but that still 38 sacks given up by the OL that still isn’t good inn12 games.

Team was a mess all around 

I don't think anyone is saying Wentz was the only reason the team was bad. But Watson had a crap situation in Houston and put up elite numbers. Stafford has never had a good team around him. Wentz isn't the first qb to have a bad situation. I think a lot of people on here are somewhat oblivious to the fact that other teams miss on draft picks and free agents and have injuries as well. It's not like the Eagles are some outlier. There's a reason Wilson wants out of Seattle, Watson out of Houston and Rodgers out of Green Bay. The difference is that they have overcome bad situations, while Wentz didn't. That's why the league wasn't beating our doors down to trade for Wentz. The tape doesn't lie, he was really bad last year, to the point where he looked worse than a rookie second rounder. 

Just now, jsb235 said:

But Watson had a crap situation in Houston and put up elite numbers. Stafford has never had a good team around him. Wentz isn't the first qb to have a bad situation. I think a lot of people on here are somewhat oblivious to the fact that other teams miss on draft picks and free agents and have injuries as well. It's not like the Eagles are some outlier. There's a reason Wilson wants out of Seattle, Watson out of Houston and Rodgers out of Green Bay. The difference is that they have overcome bad situations, while Wentz didn't. That's why the league wasn't beating our doors down to trade for Wentz. The tape doesn't lie, he was really bad last year, to the point where he looked worse than a rookie second rounder. 

In one year and Wentz had significantly worse weapons then all those teams you listed….His situation was actually way worse then all 3 of those QBs.

Again Wentz was terrible but all things were not equal 

I mean Watson had Fuller who is a solid WR and Cooks a 1000 yard guy consistently…

Rodgers can argue has the best Wr in football in Adams 

Wilson has Lockett and Metcalf 

Think Wentz was terrible last year but so every the entire supporting cast around him.

I think trust matters with WRs and OL and think Wentz completely lost it in his guys. Early in the season just so many missed plays that Wentz made I can think of like at least 3 plays to Hightower that are likely Tds if he makes the catch but missed 

This doesn’t extend just to Wentz either as Ham loves to indicate Hurts had a huge dropped play by Geodart that’s likely a TD.

And this was consistent on the year how many of these missed opportunities by our playmakers would have altered the season how different would our QB play have looked…

5 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I do essentially agree with this statement I’m just not a double standard fan of your going to use the team was terrible excuse for Hurts but then blame Wentz for all his short comings at least do the same with all players 

Right... I'm a blame the team guy for both QBs.    When a QB has the pieces and then either fails or has limited success, then I look to blame the QB.  

I don't really care how my QB handles a bad situation.   Look at Foles, nobody cares about his career except for pretty much one game.  The one that mattered.   Teams need to put their QB in position to win,  the rest is up to him.  Without the first part, the QB is irrelevant,  except for maybe fantasy.