48 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

If he was the source of the locker room BS last year he's on thin ice anyway.

ASG,  Look at it this way... if you are him, where is the better place to play ... where all 3 of these factor in ..... 

1.   $$$$
2.  Targets
3.  Chance to win

Fight your way back from last year, be humble and put in the work.  The BS won't fly now because you have zero case talking anything negative about the QB, your targets or you salary.  Not after the results of 2019 from:  yourself, your former QB down in Jax, your current QB and the team.  Foles stunk, you were ok, you left and your QB thrived and took the team to 4 straight wins and a playoff birth.   Shut up about anything else, in 2021 you could be playing for half the pay on a 4-12 team.  

 

11 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Idk about teams " keying" on him?  We run 2 TEs or 3WRs .. that spreads the defense out enough.   I don't care how many snaps he " wants"   We are a passing team.  He already played the majority of the snaps last year, so I expect that again.  I gave you numbers where 154 more snaps would have been 66%.  I don't see Doug and Duce using him more than that , just doesn't make sense.  75% of 74 snaps per game is 56.  Why use him that much and only give the other guys 18 snaps combined?   Doing that for 16 games? I don't see it. 

OK I see why we are going in circles.There is snap count(targeted play or not) and there are "touches"(plays you actually get the ball).So besides Scott,who else do we have that can take snaps/touches that we deem reliable?If someone can step forward and prove reliability and performance,you may be right. with the (theoretical) superior right side,Sanders should be more effective.If he wants to play 3 downs,why stop him? Especially if he is running amok vs whomever we play.And BTW as far as last years WR's spreading out the defense,noone was really afraid of who we had after the injuries hit,so IMO they were in the box more than they should have been.I was happy that Ward stepped up and gave us a little passing game outside.Jjaw was not effective,so I DO believe Sanders was being keyed on more than usual.Now add these speed guys we have now(with Alshon coming in later),they won't be able to do that,which should free up Sanders for a huge year with a nice right side O line

15 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK I see why we are going in circles.There is snap count(targeted play or not) and there are "touches"(plays you actually get the ball).So besides Scott,who else do we have that can take snaps/touches that we deem reliable?If someone can step forward and prove reliability and performance,you may be right. with the (theoretical) superior right side,Sanders should be more effective.If he wants to play 3 downs,why stop him? Especially if he is running amok vs whomever we play.And BTW as far as last years WR's spreading out the defense,noone was really afraid of who we had after the injuries hit,so IMO they were in the box more than they should have been.I was happy that Ward stepped up and gave us a little passing game outside.Jjaw was not effective,so I DO believe Sanders was being keyed on more than usual.Now add these speed guys we have now(with Alshon coming in later),they won't be able to do that,which should free up Sanders for a huge year with a nice right side O line

So before I start ... what is this " superior right side"  idea??? We just lost who many think is he best RG in football, why would it all of a sudden be considered NOW to be the superior thing?  On top of how well Brooks and Lane work together, now you have this idea with Brooks out that it is all of a sudden superior?     Reminds of when we signed some unknown 8th RB for a camp body and it was " Here is the Sproles replacement, I guess we aren't signing him now" 

Again....  I'm good with keeping Sanders in a little extra ... 154 more times than last year would be a huge jump right?  About 10 more snaps a game.   That would put him around 66% or 2/3 of the snaps.  If the situation calls for it, then fine.  You seem to assume it will be for 16 games... I don't see it that way.   Also, the logic of looking around he league and seeing how rare it is to be used as much as you want him to be... that's a valid to show it isn't likely.  I absolutely think if Clement is healthy the Eagles will use him some.  I also think Scott having one more year experience helps the confidence in using him more.   Now... let's see about your ideas ... plays with  the UDFA RBs , a play with Reager getting the ball in the backfield, a play using 2 QBs if you see that too.     All these things add up a little.    Right off the bat, don't you think Scott could easily see 15 snaps?  Clement another 10?    If you use round #s... 75 snaps, 25 to those 2 guys and 50 to Sanders... there is your 2/3 ... with Sanders being the clear lead RB being he gets double the snaps that the other 2 combined right?  

You can use another round # if you like ... touches.   Say the RB touches the ball 50% of the time.   do the math... Sanders still touches it 25 times/ game ... 400 times for the season over 16 games.  IMO these numbers seem high on a team that still has a passing identity with the current coach and QB.    To use the rest of the league as a comparison.     https://www.lineups.com/nfl/player-stats/running-back-rb-touches 

As you can see... mcCaffrey with 403 touches ... Zeke 355 ... Fournette 341 .... Chubb 334 ... Henry 321, ... nobody else averaged 20 per game over 16 games (320)  Sanders was 21st with 229 touches.  Give him another 10 per game and that's 389.  If he plays 2/3 of the snaps and gets it half the time that is about right.   My guess is he will be a little less than that. 20 touches per game (320 season) is still a very good workload that only 5 RBs passed.  Much easier to get him that # if he comes off the field on as many plays that he doesn't touch the ball.  I like 40 snaps and 20 touches.  Remember if 5 out of the 20 are receptions.  Would mean we pass on 25 out of 40 plays 62.5%.   These numbers seem about right don't they?  Say even 16 rushes and 4 catches.  That is still 60% passing.  Which is about right until the numbers get closer to 50% as we add in the QB runs that would come from called pass plays. 

The RB position by nature does the most work physically in the offense.  Moving around pre snap, running the ball inside or outside, pass blocking, running a route.... there is no play you can really take off.  The QB and the OL don't move as much, WRs can take plays off if its a run toward the other side of the field or they have a short decoy route, there really is no where for a RB to hide or rest on plays, it's why they rotate in and out more than any other starter.   Not to mention having to break tackles and then get up from being tackled.  A lot of work, keeping the fresh one in there is a huge advantage.  Playing 2/3 or 60% of those snaps is a lot and why most RBs don't do it, and the ones that do it , their teams don't win as much.   

 

25 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So before I start ... what is this " superior right side"  idea??? We just lost who many think is he best RG in football, why would it all of a sudden be considered NOW to be the superior thing?  On top of how well Brooks and Lane work together, now you have this idea with Brooks out that it is all of a sudden superior?     Reminds of when we signed some unknown 8th RB for a camp body and it was " Here is the Sproles replacement, I guess we aren't signing him now" 

 

 

Totally agree here.  I don't understand some peoples' logic that with Peters at RG then the right side will automatically be dominant.  Brooks was the best.  The right side will be worse than it was last season, end of story.  Hopefully, it isn't extremely noticeable.  

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So before I start ... what is this " superior right side"  idea??? We just lost who many think is he best RG in football, why would it all of a sudden be considered NOW to be the superior thing?  On top of how well Brooks and Lane work together, now you have this idea with Brooks out that it is all of a sudden superior?     Reminds of when we signed some unknown 8th RB for a camp body and it was " Here is the Sproles replacement, I guess we aren't signing him now" 

Again....  I'm good with keeping Sanders in a little extra ... 154 more times than last year would be a huge jump right?  About 10 more snaps a game.   That would put him around 66% or 2/3 of the snaps.  If the situation calls for it, then fine.  You seem to assume it will be for 16 games... I don't see it that way.   Also, the logic of looking around he league and seeing how rare it is to be used as much as you want him to be... that's a valid to show it isn't likely.  I absolutely think if Clement is healthy the Eagles will use him some.  I also think Scott having one more year experience helps the confidence in using him more.   Now... let's see about your ideas ... plays with  the UDFA RBs , a play with Reager getting the ball in the backfield, a play using 2 QBs if you see that too.     All these things add up a little.    Right off the bat, don't you think Scott could easily see 15 snaps?  Clement another 10?    If you use round #s... 75 snaps, 25 to those 2 guys and 50 to Sanders... there is your 2/3 ... with Sanders being the clear lead RB being he gets double the snaps that the other 2 combined right?  

You can use another round # if you like ... touches.   Say the RB touches the ball 50% of the time.   do the math... Sanders still touches it 25 times/ game ... 400 times for the season over 16 games.  IMO these numbers seem high on a team that still has a passing identity with the current coach and QB.    To use the rest of the league as a comparison.     https://www.lineups.com/nfl/player-stats/running-back-rb-touches 

As you can see... mcCaffrey with 403 touches ... Zeke 355 ... Fournette 341 .... Chubb 334 ... Henry 321, ... nobody else averaged 20 per game over 16 games (320)  Sanders was 21st with 229 touches.  Give him another 10 per game and that's 389.  If he plays 2/3 of the snaps and gets it half the time that is about right.   My guess is he will be a little less than that. 20 touches per game (320 season) is still a very good workload that only 5 RBs passed.  Much easier to get him that # if he comes off the field on as many plays that he doesn't touch the ball.  I like 40 snaps and 20 touches.  Remember if 5 out of the 20 are receptions.  Would mean we pass on 25 out of 40 plays 62.5%.   These numbers seem about right don't they?  Say even 16 rushes and 4 catches.  That is still 60% passing.  Which is about right until the numbers get closer to 50% as we add in the QB runs that would come from called pass plays. 

The RB position by nature does the most work physically in the offense.  Moving around pre snap, running the ball inside or outside, pass blocking, running a route.... there is no play you can really take off.  The QB and the OL don't move as much, WRs can take plays off if its a run toward the other side of the field or they have a short decoy route, there really is no where for a RB to hide or rest on plays, it's why they rotate in and out more than any other starter.   Not to mention having to break tackles and then get up from being tackled.  A lot of work, keeping the fresh one in there is a huge advantage.  Playing 2/3 or 60% of those snaps is a lot and why most RBs don't do it, and the ones that do it , their teams don't win as much.   

 

 

2 hours ago, hputenis said:

Totally agree here.  I don't understand some peoples' logic that with Peters at RG then the right side will automatically be dominant.  Brooks was the best.  The right side will be worse than it was last season, end of story.  Hopefully, it isn't extremely noticeable.  

We don't know yet,my assumption is JP was multi pro bowler even if it was at a different position it was still line play and as a "pro" he should be able to make this adjustment.Must be some talent there? I'm sure he will work fine with Lane.I would be more than happy to run right with Kelce,Lane and Peters leading the way.Seems logical to me and it also must seem logical to the Eagles or they wouldn't have signed him

17 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We don't know yet,my assumption is JP was multi pro bowler even if it was at a different position it was still line play and as a "pro" he should be able to make this adjustment.Must be some talent there? I'm sure he will work fine with Lane.I would be more than happy to run right with Kelce,Lane and Peters leading the way.Seems logical to me and it also must seem logical to the Eagles or they wouldn't have signed him

So let me ask, before Brooks got hurt, were you as excited about " running right " ?   That's my point.  Why is it a thing now after losing the best RG in football?  I don't think anyone thinks Peters would be a better RG than Brooks. 

If anything,  your thoughts should be that running right might not be as good without the best RG in football and being replaced by a guy who never played there before and who the team just hopes fills in adequately.    Just curious, is there any other elite player who could get injured and would make you as excited to see his replacement thinking that it would now be an upgrade? 

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9 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So let me ask, before Brooks got hurt, were you as excited about " running right " ?   That's my point.  Why is it a thing now after losing the best RG in football?  I don't think anyone thinks Peters would be a better RG than Brooks. 

If anything,  your thoughts should be that running right might not be as good without the best RG in football and being replaced by a guy who never played there before and who the team just hopes fills in adequately.    Just curious, is there any other elite player who could get injured and would make you as excited to see his replacement thinking that it would now be an upgrade? 

I said it SHOULD be a worthy/solid right side.Did I say he was better? Nope,but put any words in my mouth that fit and if you had asked me earlier,I would have said yes I was all for running right with brooks(but you didn't)

Today practice begins for real. I’m sure we are all thirsty for even the slightest little clips of action. 

On 6/24/2020 at 11:07 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

I really think everyone is underestimating the changes on defense. Big shift taking place. Going to look fairly different than what we’ve been used to.

I could even see an alignment where they put the 3 DT's up the middle and deploy these lighter speed rushers off the edge.  The Davion Taylor pick says volumes about the changes coming on defense, that's a 3rd rd pick on a mold of player we have simply never had.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Today practice begins for real. I’m sure we are all thirsty for even the slightest little clips of action. 

w00t 👍

RIP Rick Coury

I'm very anxious to see Slay.I want to see that "killer" instinct. The "that's my ball and you can't have it" attitude.Also the "you catch that,you pay" lol

B0yz Gerald McCoy maybe ACL

Some thoughts after reading the coverage of the first practice.

Dillard being a little dinged up is an interesting development. It doesn't sound serious, but it probably isn't ideal for him to be missing reps right now.

If Pryor plays well, I could see them putting Peters at LT. The oline is a situation that will be interesting to follow the next few weeks. The team has a lot of options, and it will be interesting to see how things shake out.

Reagor by all accounts did well, and I would guess he will be the starter week 1.

Killins working out with the WRs instead of the RBs in something I predicted a few weeks ago and it's good to see the team is going that route. He's too small to be a RB, but could be a matchup nightmare as a slot WR.

Parks looks like he will be the first DB off the bench in dime packages, which makes sense. The team has always preferred to put an extra safety on the field.

Barnett and Hargrave being hurt is clearly not ideal, but it makes the Curry signing look even better, since he has inside/outside flexibility.

My guess is that there will be a lot more phantom IR designations this year. My sense is that Watkins and Hightower are probably both good enough to make the roster, but neither guy is going to contribute much. So one will got to IR. The same with Tega. I could also see them going light at RB and TE, and elevating guys from the PS to the active roster on game days.

36 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

B0yz Gerald McCoy maybe ACL

Quad tendon. Out for year.

Dealing with a patella tendon tear right now - not fun!

28 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Dealing with a patella tendon tear right now - not fun!

When the wheels go your athletic days are over.

So The Gravedigger might not be able to start the season. Barnett is hurt ....again. Both kind of a bummer to hear to start things off.

Looks like the Niners are down another WR as Hurd is feared to have torn his ACL today.

5 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

B0yz Gerald McCoy maybe ACL

Hate to hear that. He’s a heck of a player. I’m all about beating out that dallas team....but not that way. Could be effectively career ending for him. Just don’t know?

4 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Some thoughts after reading the coverage of the first practice.

Dillard being a little dinged up is an interesting development. It doesn't sound serious, but it probably isn't ideal for him to be missing reps right now.

If Pryor plays well, I could see them putting Peters at LT. The oline is a situation that will be interesting to follow the next few weeks. The team has a lot of options, and it will be interesting to see how things shake out.

Reagor by all accounts did well, and I would guess he will be the starter week 1.

Killins working out with the WRs instead of the RBs in something I predicted a few weeks ago and it's good to see the team is going that route. He's too small to be a RB, but could be a matchup nightmare as a slot WR.

Parks looks like he will be the first DB off the bench in dime packages, which makes sense. The team has always preferred to put an extra safety on the field.

Barnett and Hargrave being hurt is clearly not ideal, but it makes the Curry signing look even better, since he has inside/outside flexibility.

My guess is that there will be a lot more phantom IR designations this year. My sense is that Watkins and Hightower are probably both good enough to make the roster, but neither guy is going to contribute much. So one will got to IR. The same with Tega. I could also see them going light at RB and TE, and elevating guys from the PS to the active roster on game days.

    Doesn’t sound like Dillard is very injured. My thoughts have been that Peters should be learning RT. Become that backup swing T. Good that Mailata is getting a good looking at though. Big call on his career here.

     Just too early to say how the Secondary works out. Slay and McLeod look locked in as starters. Wallace might be making a case for himself to win a job. He could jump Parks. In fact he could jump Mills. So many ways the whole picture can go in the secondary. Stay tuned!

  

Some thoughts on Day 2.

On the depth chart front, it looks like Maddox will be the CB2. So the defense is pretty much set. LeBlanc got a nice shout out today, but he seems caught in a numbers game unless there is an injury. I don't expect Jones or Douglas to see the field at all this season unless things get catastrophic, and it wouldn't surprise me to see them traded. Even if Maddox struggles I would imagine the team would put Mills outside and slide Parks in at safety. Schwartz said it is tough for rookies to come in and play safety right away, so it doesn't bode well for Wallace to play much.

Bradley is getting some attention at LB. I thought he was a bad pick, but I would love to be wrong. I don't think he plays much right away, but it is a good sign to see him making a positive impact. Not much has been written about the Dline, so the Avery/Ostman/Miller competition remains unknown. They did have a video of the start of practice, and Miller and Ostman both look huge compared to Avery. Williams had a nice play today at DT. I think they keep five due to Hargraves injury, and he might be the guy.

Graham said Driscoll is doing a nice job, which is good. Dillard was a full go today, which is also good. Herbig seems to be ahead of Opeta. Nothing bad was said about Mailata, which is always good. Last year he was looking bad at practice, so i am assuming he is not sticking out like he did last year, which is progress.

WR is fascinating. Watkins and Hightower are both making plays, which is good. Burnett is also getting some attention. I think he and Perkins are good candidates for the "practice squad promoted to the roster on game days" positions. The defense had the advantage today, which I think is a result of the rookies getting a lot of reps. Wentz showed some frustration, which I think is a result of that.

Hurts is looking like a pretty good pick so far. He has gotten nothing but solid reviews. Obviously it is early, but the pick is probably the biggest gamble of Roseman's career, so it is somewhat significant that it seems to have been a solid decision.

One final thing, they had video of kick returns with a few guys, and Killins was noticeably faster than anyone else. I don't see him making the roster but I think he is a lock for the PS and could be a steal down the road.