1 hour ago, stine said:

I would like to see the starters play at least a half tomorrow. Seems we should try and get some sort of cohesiveness. WE are at the stage where the team needs to start melding as a unit.

  More worried about the offense then the defense. It always seems longer to get the offense on track....

Reports from many of the Eagles beat reporters was surprisingly optimistic about both the O and D performance against the Patriots and Jets. It is NOT the typical sentiment you get from that group about our teams.  I am in agreement with seeing the starters face as close to live bullets in the final PreSeason game. I suspect that a few of the New starters would play but Siranni has repeatedly said that No one knows what the Eagles are going to run and see that lack of exposure as an advantage going into the regular season. I for one  feel that at the end of the day it is still football. My concern is we really haven't seen the full team against an opponent. I don't think we're going see that team until Atlanta. Hope I am wrong. 

Adam Caplan and Geoff Mosher said on their show today that the team has followed the blueprint of the Rams, who don't play their starters or key backups in the preseason. Like it or not, the team is going into the season with a healthy slate of starters for the first time in a long time, and the Rams haven't really had any issues with slow starts with their approach to the preseason.

We talk about injuries being a huge problem for the Eagles, but then we complain when the team does something aimed at reducing injuries. 

13 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Adam Caplan and Geoff Mosher said on their show today that the team has followed the blueprint of the Rams, who don't play their starters or key backups in the preseason. Like it or not, the team is going into the season with a healthy slate of starters for the first time in a long time, and the Rams haven't really had any issues with slow starts with their approach to the preseason.

We talk about injuries being a huge problem for the Eagles, but then we complain when the team does something aimed at reducing injuries. 

  But is the PS Games where the injuries occur? With the way the rules have changed these days, the only real injury danger is someone rolling over on a lineman's leg. Otherwise any other injury could as easily happen on the 7 v 7 when practicing against other teams. I do not recall many injuries happening in PS last year to any starters.

1 hour ago, Trini said:

Reports from many of the Eagles beat reporters was surprisingly optimistic about both the O and D performance against the Patriots and Jets. It is NOT the typical sentiment you get from that group about our teams.  I am in agreement with seeing the starters face as close to live bullets in the final PreSeason game. I suspect that a few of the New starters would play but Siranni has repeatedly said that No one knows what the Eagles are going to run and see that lack of exposure as an advantage going into the regular season. I for one  feel that at the end of the day it is still football. My concern is we really haven't seen the full team against an opponent. I don't think we're going see that team until Atlanta. Hope I am wrong. 

ATL is one of the few teams on our schedule we COULD beat IMO. I want to see win or lose Hurts make that Smith/Reagor connection. Reagor better work OT on his route running. I have zero clue what the Ertz/Geodert combo will look like. I took Goedert in fantasy as my BU,another guy got Ertz much later as his starter. he could be right and that could be the steal of the fantasy draft

1 hour ago, Trini said:

Reports from many of the Eagles beat reporters was surprisingly optimistic about both the O and D performance against the Patriots and Jets. It is NOT the typical sentiment you get from that group about our teams.  I am in agreement with seeing the starters face as close to live bullets in the final PreSeason game. I suspect that a few of the New starters would play but Siranni has repeatedly said that No one knows what the Eagles are going to run and see that lack of exposure as an advantage going into the regular season. I for one  feel that at the end of the day it is still football. My concern is we really haven't seen the full team against an opponent. I don't think we're going see that team until Atlanta. Hope I am wrong. 

Beat writers are paid to be optimistic. If they lose the fan base, they lose their jobs, so no surprise there. Spuds is this teams biggest cheerleader. Even when things go south

51 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Adam Caplan and Geoff Mosher said on their show today that the team has followed the blueprint of the Rams, who don't play their starters or key backups in the preseason. Like it or not, the team is going into the season with a healthy slate of starters for the first time in a long time, and the Rams haven't really had any issues with slow starts with their approach to the preseason.

We talk about injuries being a huge problem for the Eagles, but then we complain when the team does something aimed at reducing injuries. 

2 ways to approach this IMO and while your way is the obvious one, I tend to lean towards the opposite camp-get the guys toughened up NOW. If they get hurt in camp,they would have gotten hurt in season also. I can see/argue both approaches,but being weak from non use just means you get beat up the first 4 weeks of the season until that toughness shows up,so pick your poison

I’m looking for this team to grow as the year(s) goes on. Building the future is more my goal. So maxing out to be the best week one is just not my philosophy.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m looking for this team to grow as the year(s) goes on. Building the future is more my goal. So maxing out to be the best week one is just not my philosophy.

  I don't think anyone expects them to be their best week 1.  Just be ready......

I’d be absolutely shocked if this team is ready week one. Young corps of players we are leaning on. New coaches. Huge dead money undertaking so a guy can play for the Colts. This team isn’t going to be ready to start this season regardless. Just looking for improvement. Most optimistic I can muster is to get things rolling to end the season.

39 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d be absolutely shocked if this team is ready week one. Young corps of players we are leaning on. New coaches. Huge dead money undertaking so a guy can play for the Colts. This team isn’t going to be ready to start this season regardless. Just looking for improvement. Most optimistic I can muster is to get things rolling to end the season.

6 wins maybe 7 at most. Actually week 1 is one of our better chances to put up a W. We need to take advantage of it,and why I would like to see the starters PLAY in the last pre game. A win in week 1 would do well for morale (because you now know it can be done). So keeping the starters sidelined is,to me the WRONG decision. If the starters don't play enough how the hell would they be ready??? "Oh they are veterans". yeah a few are, but not enough to warrant sitting them when the young guys need to learn to play along side them to get some cohesion. I would make an awful NFL coach because I'm paying you prima donnas ALL YEAR not for 8 months. this would require that you play in every game including practices and not sit on the sideline planning your TD celebration dance. You can do that on your own time. You can hate Belicheat,but when he said "do your job" I cannot argue any other way

45 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m looking for this team to grow as the year(s) goes on. Building the future is more my goal. So maxing out to be the best week one is just not my philosophy.

Building the future is every teams goal lol

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d be absolutely shocked if this team is ready week one. Young corps of players we are leaning on. New coaches. Huge dead money undertaking so a guy can play for the Colts. This team isn’t going to be ready to start this season regardless. Just looking for improvement. Most optimistic I can muster is to get things rolling to end the season.

    Every Team has young players on it. New Coaches is the issue but that is why I wanted to see the 1st stringers play a half Friday. Get everyone on the same page. I expect them to be ready week 1 as I do every year. I am sure a couple mistakes will happen, but that does not mean they cannot be ready.

These guys are making in excess if a million dollars. I would expect every starter to be prepared with that kind of paycheck. No excuses.... Oh I am a rookie so I won't be ready.... BS!

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Huge dead money undertaking so a guy can play for the Colts.

This literally has zero to do with a team being ready to play week 1 lmao…. Not like Wentz was the starting QB that we traded 7 days before the start of the season thrusted Hurts in as the starter. 
 

The only young guys or new guys would be WRs, Hurts and staff…. Mostly veteran OL, RB going into year 3, Ertz and Geodart what year 4. 
hell the D is mostly all veteran guys in core spots. 

Last year, in the season opener, we played five players significant snaps who were playing in a real NFL game for the first time, all on offense (Herbig, Mailata, Driscoll, Reagor and Hightower.) If you combine their snaps, of the 11 positions on offense, 3.4 of them were brand new to the game.

This year, we are projected to play one player who doesn't have significant NFL experience - DeVonta Smith. Milton Williams may also play a few snaps on defense.

That is a pretty big deal.

1 hour ago, stine said:

These guys are making in excess if a million dollars. I would expect every starter to be prepared with that kind of paycheck. No excuses.... Oh I am a rookie so I won't be ready.... BS!

Sign and sit.It's the new contract lol. I long for the days of old when guys broke teeth for $300.00 a game. OH now concussion protocol. Do they have that in boxing or MMA? I don't THINK SOOOOOO(or they would have to wear specially designed helmets that the trainers bought stock in before the were approved). But these million dollar babies need coddled every day. You could be a miner where you risk your life every day. Every job has hazards,it's just these pansies want "protection" and the teams who pay millions want to protect their "investment" and the NFLPA has forced them all to do it. When you accept the job you accept the risk(ask anyone in law enforcement or the military) But NO NO NO these humans are "special" if you don't want the risk of playing football as your career,become a barber or run a pizza shop

Iron sharpens iron. A wheel of Brie won't stop a Bowie knife. (If I need to explain why a Bowie knife has brass along the top I will)

Hurts' final stats from training camp.

215/297, 22 TD, 6 INT 

Wentz's stats from 2017.

227/330, 31 TD, 5 INT

Pretty good for the second year qb, especially since those stats include 4 joint practices when he was going against defenses he wasn't familiar with.

There are some valid criticisms of Hurts. Apparently early in camp he wasn't pushing the ball downfield and holding it for too long. But he progressed as camp went along. The TD to interception ratio is especially encouraging.

These numbers are somewhat meaningless, but they are an indication that Hurts has progressed as a passer. More importantly, DeVonta Smith showed he can get open consistently on the outside, so I think it will give Hurts an easy first read on a lot of plays, which will make his life a lot easier. I think the team could live with Hurts going from Smith to Goedert to Sanders/Scott/Gainwell on his progressions, and then having specific plays for Reagor and Watkins (screen passes, deep shots and crossing routes.)  

 

3 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Hurts' final stats from training camp.

215/297, 22 TD, 6 INT 

Wentz's stats from 2017.

227/330, 31 TD, 5 INT

Pretty good for the second year qb, especially since those stats include 4 joint practices when he was going against defenses he wasn't familiar with.

There are some valid criticisms of Hurts. Apparently early in camp he wasn't pushing the ball downfield and holding it for too long. But he progressed as camp went along. The TD to interception ratio is especially encouraging.

These numbers are somewhat meaningless, but they are an indication that Hurts has progressed as a passer. More importantly, DeVonta Smith showed he can get open consistently on the outside, so I think it will give Hurts an easy first read on a lot of plays, which will make his life a lot easier. I think the team could live with Hurts going from Smith to Goedert to Sanders/Scott/Gainwell on his progressions, and then having specific plays for Reagor and Watkins (screen passes, deep shots and crossing routes.)  

 

Well I hope he (Hurts) progresses quickly because based on those numbers there is a 10 TD differential(9 TD more plus 1 less pick for Wentz). If you carry that into the season, those numbers become a rather stunning difference in output

10 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well I hope he (Hurts) progresses quickly because based on those numbers there is a 10 TD differential(9 TD more plus 1 less pick for Wentz). If you carry that into the season, those numbers become a rather stunning difference in output

Not to mention those are Hurt's TC #'s as compared to game #'s. 

On 8/25/2021 at 11:28 PM, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Believe what you want honestly but if we ran vanilla offense and D so do the other teams so no excuse for your best to beat another teams best so ultimately it’s moot to me. 

I agree yes. You'd absolutely want to see more from the depth guys no doubt. But all that does is tell us what we already know... The starters are pretty good for the most part, the depth is pretty bad for the most part. 

Look, this is the youngest coaching staff ever in the NFL. They lack experience. They need to do a rehearsal for week one. Not doing so will be a mistake. Look for the team to lose 4-5 before they finally get game ready if they don't play 1st stringers tonight. Even if they do I can see them starting 0-2 or possibly worse. They need to play as a unit for at least a half....

    Well it doesn't matter what we think anyway. I guess we will see what we see...... 

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well I hope he (Hurts) progresses quickly because based on those numbers there is a 10 TD differential(9 TD more plus 1 less pick for Wentz). If you carry that into the season, those numbers become a rather stunning difference in output

This is true to some extent. Wentz had a TD to throw percentage of 9.4 percent, and in the regular season it was 7.5 percent, which led the league by a considerable margin. It is rare to get over 7 percent, and anything over 5 percent puts you in the top 15.

If Hurts' numbers follow a similar trajectory, his 7.4 percent TD percentage in training camp will translate to a 5.5 TD percentage in the regular season. As a comparison. Ryan Fitzpatrick was at 4.9 and Daniel Jones was at 2.5. Dak Prescott has never been above 5 percent. Hurts was at 4.1 percent last year.

As far as interceptions, Wentz's rate was 1.5 percent, and Hurts' rate was 2 percent. Carson Wentz would end up the season with a 1.6 percent rate, which was eighth-best in the NFL. If Hurts can keep his rate at 2 percent, that will be in the top half of the league. His rate last year was 2.7 percent, which gets you fired. Well, unless you are Ryan Fitzpatrick, whose rate was 3 percent, worse than Trubisky and Haskins and better than only two of the worst qbs in the league last year, Wentz and Lock.

Wentz made a pretty big leap from his rookie season to his second year. As a rookie, his TD rate was 2.6 percent and his interception rate was 2.3 percent, which was pretty bad. But he did get an upgrade at receiver and oline in 2017. Hopefully Hurts follows a similar trend this year.  

 

On 8/27/2021 at 7:16 AM, stine said:

Look, this is the youngest coaching staff ever in the NFL. They lack experience. They need to do a rehearsal for week one. Not doing so will be a mistake. Look for the team to lose 4-5 before they finally get game ready if they don't play 1st stringers tonight. Even if they do I can see them starting 0-2 or possibly worse. They need to play as a unit for at least a half....

    Well it doesn't matter what we think anyway. I guess we will see what we see...... 

IDK bro, I think week 1 could be a W for us. I will be anxious to see who(if) we cover Pitts. The emergence of TE's as weapons is a concern for every defense and I want to see how we handle them.Pitts is so versatile,this will be a great test for whomever is assigned to cover him. Like you,I want to see the Hurts/Smith, Reagor connection. If I recall Hurts and Smith have yet to play in a game together??? I think that needs to be addressed. 

4 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This is true to some extent. Wentz had a TD to throw percentage of 9.4 percent, and in the regular season it was 7.5 percent, which led the league by a considerable margin. It is rare to get over 7 percent, and anything over 5 percent puts you in the top 15.

If Hurts' numbers follow a similar trajectory, his 7.4 percent TD percentage in training camp will translate to a 5.5 TD percentage in the regular season. As a comparison. Ryan Fitzpatrick was at 4.9 and Daniel Jones was at 2.5. Dak Prescott has never been above 5 percent. Hurts was at 4.1 percent last year.

As far as interceptions, Wentz's rate was 1.5 percent, and Hurts' rate was 2 percent. Carson Wentz would end up the season with a 1.6 percent rate, which was eighth-best in the NFL. If Hurts can keep his rate at 2 percent, that will be in the top half of the league. His rate last year was 2.7 percent, which gets you fired. Well, unless you are Ryan Fitzpatrick, whose rate was 3 percent, worse than Trubisky and Haskins and better than only two of the worst qbs in the league last year, Wentz and Lock.

Wentz made a pretty big leap from his rookie season to his second year. As a rookie, his TD rate was 2.6 percent and his interception rate was 2.3 percent, which was pretty bad. But he did get an upgrade at receiver and oline in 2017. Hopefully Hurts follows a similar trend this year.  

 

it may not be as glaring as I stated,because you need to take into account Hurts superior running ability over Wentz. So it may not be as bad as shown. I believe there will be running plays called for Hurts and I doubt there were many called for Wentz,so there are other factors to consider. I DO believe we need to score 30 points a game. How we get there is immaterial. We were also not stellar in the RZ and I hope we improve on that