4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Why is your Dallas buddy gloating ?   Cowboys haven't made an NFC title game in 25 years?   Is the bar that low for " America's Team"?

Mexico’s team and they can have them!

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Ok so pick 19 is playoff team mid 2nd rounder is what middle of round 2 45-49… 7-9 last year was pick 15 I believe NE….

Indy is 0-3 now if they get to say 8 loses in the next 10 weeks so 2-8 pull Wentz so we see them winning down the stretch without Wentz to have a middle round pick????

Ok they are 5-5 i doubt they pull Wentz in that situation but they loss the next two are 5-7 pull Wentz down the stretch so we really see Indy winning much after that???? 
 

I don’t see a situation with how Indy is in the middle of the draft and willing to pull Wentz early enough to not give up a first. 
 

Either going to be a fairly high 2nd rounder or mid/late first 

Yeah, they have some easier games at the end... that they could win without Wentz.    But either way...  you have pick 24, I have pick 38..... what are you asking for in exchange?     

I mean... unless you are talking SB team at 31 or 32, and say bottom 4 team picking at 36 or better... it's pretty significant value.   I wasn't thinking of that extreme.    But if you were, than I 100% agree. 

3 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

Mexico’s team and they can have them!

Los Vaqueros making an NFC title game can be found on a VHS tape near you! 

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Why is your Dallas buddy gloating ?   Cowboys haven't made an NFC title game in 25 years?   Is the bar that low for " America's Team"?

Because they beat us most of the time lately.I can't really tell him they suck when we lose to them 

10 minutes ago, Senhorcook said:

Mexico’s team and they can have them!

Haiti

These are the snap counts for the respective players out of a total of 58 - Jalen Reagor (50), Quez Watkins (38)

Why in the hell was our best WR in for 12 less plays than Reagor. I would expect to AT LEAST see these numbers flipped. 

14 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The other regression was 3 carries by RB's. Now IDK how this works. My assumption is with the RPO offense it's Hurt's choice as to what to do with the ball unless specific plays were called in by Siri? So, are these play calls on Siri or Hurts decision making? Educate me

I’ll say I thought in the Niners game there were a few missed opportunities for Hurts where he should of handed off. But really playcalling just isn’t handing the ball to the backs. Weren’t even many runs called in the Cowboys game at all. Siri admitted he was just trying to keep up with scoring points against the Cowboys. Just dumb. Not winning football remotely for this team. Siri had the team ready to start the season. Great. But the playcalling has been terrible. Just doesn’t make sense. So of coarse Hurts wants to win. He’ll do whatever to win. So he’s going to force things and just look terrible like this. Like most guys not named Rodgers. I’d say Mahaomes also…but we even just saw him forcing it and it wasn’t good. Just not going to work at this level. Nothing wrong with eating clock, controlling the ball and converting third downs. I pretty much believe any QB should just take what the d gives and not force things. But you don’t play to lose by only three points. So a winner is going to take more chances to try and catch up. This spells doom for Hurts. Any QB. Siri just isn’t ready. He needs to tighten things up. We don’t need shootouts. This team isn’t very good. Just give the team a chance to stay in it and have a chance. Nobody seems to like this…,but the alternatives aren’t going to be pretty.

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I never said I was high on anyone lol.I said if there was interest you need to watch the games

Like Hurts?? HAHAHA Perfect

 

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I never said I was high on anyone lol.I said if there was interest you need to watch the games

Like Hurts?? HAHAHA Perfect

Always agree. Everybody was expecting Rattler to just kill it. But now watching the games…you’d rather have Hurts. Just looked far superior in the same offense. Plus Hurts handles adversity. Such a big part of things. Rather have that guy than a Wentz who refuses to own anything wrong and runs away. Hurts is very coachable unlike that previous guy. Thing is…I think this coach is over his head. Kind of worse than having Groh as OC. Groh I know is an excellent coach. He will get there. Rosie forced him out. But he just needed time to develop. We saw the offense just fall off the cliff after he was forced out. Saw Reich pick him right up. Siri I’m just not as sure about at all. Don’t think our OC now works either. So we are double dipped in a poor situation. Either can be good with the right guidance and leadership. But the two together…just don’t see it working in any manageable timeline for us now. Not saying these guys don’t live and breathe football. They work hard…but like Juan Castillo as DC that isn’t good enough at this level.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Idk,  I guess I think it could be a bigger spread.  Pick 19 is a playoff team...  the exact middle of round 2 is pick 48-49.    While pick 45-49 is a good pick, I think it's a huge difference than say pick 19 to 25.   Even if it's pick 30 to 40, that's pretty decent difference in value. 

Been trying to explain how Wentz isn’t going to do it. Rivers knew he had to retire after last season. He put up numbers that Wentz won’t get near. We will get a very solid second round pick. Indy GM is very good. I see Indy finishing right around us. Don’t think Indy makes the playoffs. Don’t think Wentz makes it through 75 percent of snaps. He got put in check ego wise as much as he ever will. Nobody wanted him. He only was worth a second round pick. That’s a joke for a starting QB. So he’s willing to go all in to redeem himself. His name got drug through the mud. He’s trying to prove himself. Yet sadly…he’s just not franchise QB material. Hurts beat him out of a job. Yet Hurts is just a great intangible guy that is just a quality starter. Not worth the mega contracts. But we are just seeing how Indy is falling off from be a contender to a team that hasn’t won a game. Indy will be a top ten pick. But we’ll only get the second round version if that from the trade. But that’s still pretty good.

Pay our 30 mil to get away from that mistake. So we can move on. Next year we’ll have money. We can actually build a competitive team. This year we never had a chance. Too far behind the eight ball money wise. We are sticking paying to get rid of Wentz. And stuck paying guys for play back in 2018. Just can’t even hardly be competitive like that. Just what we are dealing with and where we are at. Been trying to explain this the last couple seasons. Obvious to those that actually are looking ahead. These huge backloaded contracts that are considered Rosie Magic by many here…now we are paying for. Gotta dig out from those and build up the youth.

Everybody seemed to be against me. Yet watch the results. I’ve been saying this was coming. To me it was obvious. Not sure why I’m the only one to get this. But eventually you will see. Figured last season was enough…but too much optimism for this season makes me believe it still hasn’t sunk in. I’ll stay consistent .  Can’t slow down for everybody. Just gotta catch up. Is what it is. Feel like it will happen though.

7 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Ok so pick 19 is playoff team mid 2nd rounder is what middle of round 2 45-49… 7-9 last year was pick 15 I believe NE….

Indy is 0-3 now if they get to say 8 loses in the next 10 weeks so 2-8 pull Wentz so we see them winning down the stretch without Wentz to have a middle round pick????

Ok they are 5-5 i doubt they pull Wentz in that situation but they loss the next two are 5-7 pull Wentz down the stretch so we really see Indy winning much after that???? 
 

I don’t see a situation with how Indy is in the middle of the draft and willing to pull Wentz early enough to not give up a first. 
 

Either going to be a fairly high 2nd rounder or mid/late first 

Hahaha…oh lord…you still see Wentz as the Savior. He is the issue too much. Has huge talent but it won’t happen. I don’t see him being durable enough to even play the 75 percent. They won’t have to pull him. But eventually you’ll get it. He’s been hurt twice this year already. Not even going to be the last. What he could be..could have been…isn’t what he actually is. Sad ….I was all on board with him. But reality smacked me in the face. Not sure at what point you’ll get it. But it will happen for you. Sorry to bust your bubble. He teased but really he only did it part of one season…then at the end of one other season. Really not been very good at all most of his career. Pedey had a bettter record with the backup than with Wentz. I know it’s hard to accept. But reality means you just got to accept it. We all wanted him to be that elite MVP. But reality is he hasn’t won a playoff game. It’s sad for us all. 

1 hour ago, EaglesTD123 said:

These are the snap counts for the respective players out of a total of 58 - Jalen Reagor (50), Quez Watkins (38)

Why in the hell was our best WR in for 12 less plays than Reagor. I would expect to AT LEAST see these numbers flipped. 

Reagor has actually been our most reliable and best receiver. Watkins I was laughed at for saying he got unleashed finally last season. It was just a tiny taste….but you could see the kid has it. Reagor does also though. Two guys were super talented and fast….just raw. They weren’t the most NFL ready. I’m fine with that. I don’t count just rookie results. I just won’t guys who have great careers. I’m long playing these two. So they work for me. Two TE 12 personnel had actually been stunting us. Not good for Pedey for sure. Some just look at the past. But in this NFL it’s key to look towards the future. Gotta see it unfolding. These guys work. Not complete yet though. But getting there. Heck, just happy to have these receivers with potential instead of the crap I’ve seen from our team most all my life.

Quez was my guy I was all about also. Really was looking for speed options. Team was so slow. Really like seeing exciting playmakers now. We suck snd will struggle to win..,but it’s less plodding and at least has some excitement while we lose. Trying to give the positive of our situation. It’s hard!

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ll say I thought in the Niners game there were a few missed opportunities for Hurts where he should of handed off. But really playcalling just isn’t handing the ball to the backs. Weren’t even many runs called in the Cowboys game at all. Siri admitted he was just trying to keep up with scoring points against the Cowboys. Just dumb. Not winning football remotely for this team. Siri had the team ready to start the season. Great. But the playcalling has been terrible. Just doesn’t make sense. So of coarse Hurts wants to win. He’ll do whatever to win. So he’s going to force things and just look terrible like this. Like most guys not named Rodgers. I’d say Mahaomes also…but we even just saw him forcing it and it wasn’t good. Just not going to work at this level. Nothing wrong with eating clock, controlling the ball and converting third downs. I pretty much believe any QB should just take what the d gives and not force things. But you don’t play to lose by only three points. So a winner is going to take more chances to try and catch up. This spells doom for Hurts. Any QB. Siri just isn’t ready. He needs to tighten things up. We don’t need shootouts. This team isn’t very good. Just give the team a chance to stay in it and have a chance. Nobody seems to like this…,but the alternatives aren’t going to be pretty.

When did Hurts force the ball... when Goedert was wide open and he missed him?   The jump ball that Watkins caught was the only one I thought could even be remotely forced.   He wasn't passing up short routes for guys further down field???     This has been the discussion,  that the passing is too conservative and needs to go down the field in the intermediate and deep ranges more than just screens and shallow crosses. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hahaha…oh lord…you still see Wentz as the Savior. He is the issue too much. Has huge talent but it won’t happen. I don’t see him being durable enough to even play the 75 percent. They won’t have to pull him. But eventually you’ll get it. He’s been hurt twice this year already. Not even going to be the last. What he could be..could have been…isn’t what he actually is. Sad ….I was all on board with him. But reality smacked me in the face. Not sure at what point you’ll get it. But it will happen for you. Sorry to bust your bubble. He teased but really he only did it part of one season…then at the end of one other season. Really not been very good at all most of his career. Pedey had a bettter record with the backup than with Wentz. I know it’s hard to accept. But reality means you just got to accept it. We all wanted him to be that elite MVP. But reality is he hasn’t won a playoff game. It’s sad for us all. 

But Hurts is the savior?   Dude who can't throw down field ?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

But Hurts is the savior?   Dude who can't throw down field ?

Here's the thing... Hurts possibly isn't the saviour but neither was Wentz. It is very much possible that neither are the saviour.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

When did Hurts force the ball... when Goedert was wide open and he missed him?   The jump ball that Watkins caught was the only one I thought could even be remotely forced.   He wasn't passing up short routes for guys further down field???     This has been the discussion,  that the passing is too conservative and needs to go down the field in the intermediate and deep ranges more than just screens and shallow crosses. 

So you don’t think having RBs rushing the ball has any effect on the pass rush, LBs or Secondary? 

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

But Hurts is the savior?   Dude who can't throw down field ?

Sure, any QB is dead in the water with this crap offense and playcalling. But he’s doing better than a Wentz…and he doesn’t cost the huge money like Wentz. Wentz and Hurts dollar for dollar….I’d go Hurts. Easy decision there. 

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hahaha…oh lord…you still see Wentz as the Savior. He is the issue too much. Has huge talent but it won’t happen. I don’t see him being durable enough to even play the 75 percent. They won’t have to pull him. But eventually you’ll get it. He’s been hurt twice this year already. Not even going to be the last. What he could be..could have been…isn’t what he actually is. Sad ….I was all on board with him. But reality smacked me in the face. Not sure at what point you’ll get it. But it will happen for you. Sorry to bust your bubble. He teased but really he only did it part of one season…then at the end of one other season. Really not been very good at all most of his career. Pedey had a bettter record with the backup than with Wentz. I know it’s hard to accept. But reality means you just got to accept it. We all wanted him to be that elite MVP. But reality is he hasn’t won a playoff game. It’s sad for us all. 

Really  I see Wentz as a good QB he has done that…. Unlike whooo the savior Hurts I forgot he is just sooooo amazing lmao 🤣 

35 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sure, any QB is dead in the water with this crap offense and playcalling. But he’s doing better than a Wentz…and he doesn’t cost the huge money like Wentz. Wentz and Hurts dollar for dollar….I’d go Hurts. Easy decision there. 

More excuses for Hurts lmao just sad 

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ll say I thought in the Niners game there were a few missed opportunities for Hurts where he should of handed off. But really playcalling just isn’t handing the ball to the backs. Weren’t even many runs called in the Cowboys game at all. Siri admitted he was just trying to keep up with scoring points against the Cowboys. Just dumb. Not winning football remotely for this team. Siri had the team ready to start the season. Great. But the playcalling has been terrible. Just doesn’t make sense. So of coarse Hurts wants to win. He’ll do whatever to win. So he’s going to force things and just look terrible like this. Like most guys not named Rodgers. I’d say Mahaomes also…but we even just saw him forcing it and it wasn’t good. Just not going to work at this level. Nothing wrong with eating clock, controlling the ball and converting third downs. I pretty much believe any QB should just take what the d gives and not force things. But you don’t play to lose by only three points. So a winner is going to take more chances to try and catch up. This spells doom for Hurts. Any QB. Siri just isn’t ready. He needs to tighten things up. We don’t need shootouts. This team isn’t very good. Just give the team a chance to stay in it and have a chance. Nobody seems to like this…,but the alternatives aren’t going to be pretty.

You just described Wentz

9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

Always agree. Everybody was expecting Rattler to just kill it. But now watching the games…you’d rather have Hurts. Just looked far superior in the same offense. Plus Hurts handles adversity. Such a big part of things. Rather have that guy than a Wentz who refuses to own anything wrong and runs away. Hurts is very coachable unlike that previous guy. Thing is…I think this coach is over his head. Kind of worse than having Groh as OC. Groh I know is an excellent coach. He will get there. Rosie forced him out. But he just needed time to develop. We saw the offense just fall off the cliff after he was forced out. Saw Reich pick him right up. Siri I’m just not as sure about at all. Don’t think our OC now works either. So we are double dipped in a poor situation. Either can be good with the right guidance and leadership. But the two together…just don’t see it working in any manageable timeline for us now. Not saying these guys don’t live and breathe football. They work hard…but like Juan Castillo as DC that isn’t good enough at this level.

UM if Hurts is "coachable" yet the coach is "in over his head",how do you reconcile that?

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Been trying to explain how Wentz isn’t going to do it. Rivers knew he had to retire after last season. He put up numbers that Wentz won’t get near. We will get a very solid second round pick. Indy GM is very good. I see Indy finishing right around us. Don’t think Indy makes the playoffs. Don’t think Wentz makes it through 75 percent of snaps. He got put in check ego wise as much as he ever will. Nobody wanted him. He only was worth a second round pick. That’s a joke for a starting QB. So he’s willing to go all in to redeem himself. His name got drug through the mud. He’s trying to prove himself. Yet sadly…he’s just not franchise QB material. Hurts beat him out of a job. Yet Hurts is just a great intangible guy that is just a quality starter. Not worth the mega contracts. But we are just seeing how Indy is falling off from be a contender to a team that hasn’t won a game. Indy will be a top ten pick. But we’ll only get the second round version if that from the trade. But that’s still pretty good.

IDK where to begin with this post,so let's dive in lol. Hurts did NOT "beat Wentz out of a job". Wentz LOST the job by his own hand behind one of the worst O lines in Eagles history due to the massive amounts of injury. So now you claim Wentz was nothing more than a 2nd rounder? Is that because he got us into playoff position in 2017?(Yeah Foles took us home,but he wouldn't have if we were 4-12). We started to rebuild this team for WENTZ way too late(It should have started the year we went to the SB). Kinda wonder how Hurts would do with no viable receivers and a swiss cheese front line and a PS running back. Before Wentz got hurt a few times there is NO comparison. Wentz was by FAR the better QB. I said many.many times,after the last injury Wentz wasn't the same.Wonder how Hurts would look surviving those same injuries(god forbid). The sad part is when an Alpha male competitive QB get injured, physically injured,their minds don't adjust. They still want to be star and they try to do too much. That is a character issue, but Wentz makes Hurt look like JVS QB. Hurts is not an Alpha.He tries to do too much too,but only because he doesn't have the skills do to it right. At least not at this point.If you are under skilled,you have to make up for it by trying harder and taking more risks. We saw this at the end of Wentz career in Philly,but that was due to injury and his attempt to "fill the missing gap".Hurts does it because he lacks the skills needed. I'm sure Hurts works hard,because he HAS to,the natural talent isn't there. We all know you have a man crush on Hurts,that's fine,but don't let it blind you into thinking he is a better QB than an uninjured Wentz was

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Everybody seemed to be against me. Yet watch the results. I’ve been saying this was coming. To me it was obvious. Not sure why I’m the only one to get this. But eventually you will see. Figured last season was enough…but too much optimism for this season makes me believe it still hasn’t sunk in. I’ll stay consistent .  Can’t slow down for everybody. Just gotta catch up. Is what it is. Feel like it will happen though.

Saying WHAT was coming???? You really want to know where the failures occurred? In the drafts of 2017 -2019 and the MASSIVE amounts of injury.You have your "franchise QB".People surrounding him start dropping like flies. What do you do? let him get killed? Our draft picks were less than stellar AND/OR the staff could NOT develop those picks into viable STARTING players. So, we had to go out and SPEND MONEY to even field a team.Tate,Djax,Alshon mostly WR's we spent on ,because either we drafted the wrong ones(HELLLLLOOOOOOO!!!!!) or we could not develop them(another HEEEEELLLLLOOOO!!). Why is that Wentz's fault? Now we have the team and WR corps we should have surrounded Wentz with earlier(aka young studs) and Hurts CANNOT hit them. Wentz also lost a very nice WR in TY Hilton and once again is playing with basic rooks. SO that explains the 0-3 start along with the fact he is still fighting injury. Indy will have a better record by years end than we will. Book it. Hurts could be a nice vanilla average QB,but he is not a franchise QB. He would have been a viable BU to Wentz(because Suds sucked),but Wentz got his head outta whack over the draft pick and it floored him and that started the friction(I will put THAT immaturity on Wentz),but Hurts was never intended to take Wentz's job. ARod in GB also went through the same thing,but look how he handled it. Wentz is by far the better QB,it was his immaturity/temper tantrums that led us to get him out. ARod knows this is his last year in GB,but he's going to play his game and leave GB with class and show the caliber QB he is, where Wentz had tantrums from a threat that wasn't there