13 hours ago, eglz1 said:

If a coach wants to play a certain scheme, he needs players that fit that scheme. Should he adapt his scheme to fit his players? You could make a good case for that but doesn't appear to be Schwartz' style.

That is the problem with this entire team. We have a mix of different style players and the scheme on both offense and defense does not match them. JJaw is a perfect example. he is a post up rec. Posts, Deep outs, corners, jump ball in the corner type of guy. Doug runs a short ding and dung style with drags, slants, short digs, crosses. JJaw will never have success in that without the right coaching and changing his style. I mentioned Douglas in the post above. Slay is really the only DB that matches Jims defense. Personally I hate Jims defnese, too predictable and puts the DBs in a no win situation unless the Dline has pressure every play instantly. So does the problem go to Coaching or the GM? I think both. Im sure Doug has input on who Howie brings in. Maybe not the final say but Im sure Howie likes to hear what Doug has to say about a player. 

10 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO,so what are they gonna say."He got a boo and wants to sit out"? No they would never say that.In any case,he is washing out before our eyes.He had a "good camp" last year and stunk up the joint when he had to play for real.Now he is out again and there is no redemption sitting on the bench.once again he needs to PROVE he can play and stay in the game. MS2.1??? Another year of coddling? Nope,no insider info,I just see what I see and that is another wasted #1 draft pick.If he was a 4th,then you have an excuse,but he was drafted to fill in JP's spot PRONTO and he is still not getting it done.If you can't get your #1 pick to perform in year 2,you have serious issues(as we all know).So now another year sitting out(yet being paid) and another year of dancing around trying to fill holes we should have already filled.So you saw(and I agree) you can't predict injury.But why always US,and why always at key positions? I suppose you could argue every position is a key one,but I'm tired of picks and acquisitions not playing and us having to patchwork things annually

So it's a fake torn bicep?    Did you ever tear a bicep?   I've seen it up close, dude's arm went from being adult like to a 10 year old with it going all skinny and all.     Not to be mean, but it was kinda funny to see the dude with 2 different size arms.   I imagine its not fun for Dillard.... or is it fake news?   We won't know, but your sources are telling you that it's a fake injury?  

BTW, I didn't think he played bad at all last year when he was at LT, and I thought he was supposed to NOT have a good camp last year?     IDK, I need more inside info so I can tell when it's a fake injury.  

10 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well we're back to square one again.Who is your trade partner and WHY would they pay you 10 mil for an injured WR? So you play him some when he returns.if he's GOOD why trade him? if he sucks,noone will pay 10 mil,so pick your poison

GB,  here is the deal if we execute a trade for Alshon.   Right now his 2020 salary is like $9.9 mil.  That is prorated 1/17 for each week he would be on a team's roster.  If we trade Alshon in late October, say with 9 weeks left in the season... the other team would be on the hook for just over half of that $9.9 mil    They don't give the Eagles $10 mil?    

Now, we could play and keep him, we could trade him... let's see if he comes back first.   The advantage of trading him is that it gets more $$ off the books, where we can use that for next year.  The thing that is 100% is that he will need to get cut next year, that is a for certain thing.  So keeping him would only benefit you this year.  If he lights it up, and we are in contention, sure we can keep him.   If you take the wait and see approach, then it keeps the options open.  But if the other WRs are doing well and the team is succeeding, like it did the last 4 games last year after he went out... or if the Eagles are looking like a long shot to make the playoffs, then makes sense to trade him if we can.  

You are correct... " why would they pay you for an injured WR"   that is what Ham and I are saying, THAT HE NEEDS TO GET MEDICALLY CLEARED FIRST and he needs to get back out and show that he isn't injured, then a team might be interested.  But the new team won't pay the Eagles any $$$ and they won't be on the hook for the whole $9.9 mil.   It will be about half. 

 

25 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

That is the problem with this entire team. We have a mix of different style players and the scheme on both offense and defense does not match them. JJaw is a perfect example. he is a post up rec. Posts, Deep outs, corners, jump ball in the corner type of guy. Doug runs a short ding and dung style with drags, slants, short digs, crosses. JJaw will never have success in that without the right coaching and changing his style. I mentioned Douglas in the post above. Slay is really the only DB that matches Jims defense. Personally I hate Jims defnese, too predictable and puts the DBs in a no win situation unless the Dline has pressure every play instantly. So does the problem go to Coaching or the GM? I think both. Im sure Doug has input on who Howie brings in. Maybe not the final say but Im sure Howie likes to hear what Doug has to say about a player. 

As far as Schwartz.    Overall in his career he has had good defenses everywhere he has gone, some really good ones.   For me, I'm in the middle with him.  The big picture I think works because his system puts emphasis on the DL, getting good players there and getting the front 4 to the QB.    I don't think it's a shock that 2017 was a very good year for the D as the DL was healthy and deep.   The secondary to me has been the same for the most part, we lost players each year, why did Douglass look good in 2017 compared to the other years... maybe the pass rush????     So overall, I like the philosophy there, I believe the D starts with the DL and get that to as high of a level as possible.    

As far as schemes though.  I don't really see anything all that creative, behind the front 4.   I wouldn't say it was on the extreme of being either good or bad.  It is what it is, rush for and use 7 to cover and have better results when the 4 get there.  WE have seen worse.    To me it shows how impressive Jim Johnson was, having success without ever really having the dominant front, even though 2004 season once Burgess stepped up really put the DL at it's highest level under JJ.    But to be honest, it will be hard for us Eagle fans to love any " scheme"  for a while after having JJ here.   Nothing will ever seem so creative like that.  JJ did it out of necessity.   It is what it is, our DL needs to perform, when they do, the D does well, when they don't the D won't do so hot and it will appear like our secondary or our schemes are at fault.  

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

So it's a fake torn bicep?    Did you ever tear a bicep?   I've seen it up close, dude's arm went from being adult like to a 10 year old with it going all skinny and all.     Not to be mean, but it was kinda funny to see the dude with 2 different size arms.   I imagine its not fun for Dillard.... or is it fake news?   We won't know, but your sources are telling you that it's a fake injury?  

BTW, I didn't think he played bad at all last year when he was at LT, and I thought he was supposed to NOT have a good camp last year?     IDK, I need more inside info so I can tell when it's a fake injury.  

Just frustrated at being back to a .500 club when we had it going.If he's gonna be tearing up biceps,maybe he needs to pick a different line of work.Now maybe this was a one of,but if you are a lineman your extremities are your job.Bad break? IDK Or does he need muscle building? IDK that either.it's our hope that he was ready to take over.I didn't see the play,so hard for me to say.All I know is we seem to be back on the injury wagon again

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

GB,  here is the deal if we execute a trade for Alshon.   Right now his 2020 salary is like $9.9 mil.  That is prorated 1/17 for each week he would be on a team's roster.  If we trade Alshon in late October, say with 9 weeks left in the season... the other team would be on the hook for just over half of that $9.9 mil    They don't give the Eagles $10 mil?    

Now, we could play and keep him, we could trade him... let's see if he comes back first.   The advantage of trading him is that it gets more $$ off the books, where we can use that for next year.  The thing that is 100% is that he will need to get cut next year, that is a for certain thing.  So keeping him would only benefit you this year.  If he lights it up, and we are in contention, sure we can keep him.   If you take the wait and see approach, then it keeps the options open.  But if the other WRs are doing well and the team is succeeding, like it did the last 4 games last year after he went out... or if the Eagles are looking like a long shot to make the playoffs, then makes sense to trade him if we can.  

You are correct... " why would they pay you for an injured WR"   that is what Ham and I are saying, THAT HE NEEDS TO GET MEDICALLY CLEARED FIRST and he needs to get back out and show that he isn't injured, then a team might be interested.  But the new team won't pay the Eagles any $$$ and they won't be on the hook for the whole $9.9 mil.   It will be about half. 

 

Yep totally agree we need to see what we have when he returns.Just saying,regardless of 'getting money back" if he is playing well,like his old self,I see no reason to trade him since that loot is already on the books.And once again,if he sucks,there won;t be a trade partner 

51 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

As far as Schwartz.    Overall in his career he has had good defenses everywhere he has gone, some really good ones.   For me, I'm in the middle with him.  The big picture I think works because his system puts emphasis on the DL, getting good players there and getting the front 4 to the QB.    I don't think it's a shock that 2017 was a very good year for the D as the DL was healthy and deep.   The secondary to me has been the same for the most part, we lost players each year, why did Douglass look good in 2017 compared to the other years... maybe the pass rush????     So overall, I like the philosophy there, I believe the D starts with the DL and get that to as high of a level as possible.    

As far as schemes though.  I don't really see anything all that creative, behind the front 4.   I wouldn't say it was on the extreme of being either good or bad.  It is what it is, rush for and use 7 to cover and have better results when the 4 get there.  WE have seen worse.    To me it shows how impressive Jim Johnson was, having success without ever really having the dominant front, even though 2004 season once Burgess stepped up really put the DL at it's highest level under JJ.    But to be honest, it will be hard for us Eagle fans to love any " scheme"  for a while after having JJ here.   Nothing will ever seem so creative like that.  JJ did it out of necessity.   It is what it is, our DL needs to perform, when they do, the D does well, when they don't the D won't do so hot and it will appear like our secondary or our schemes are at fault.  

Also a re-occuring theme(at least with me) is the DB's don't look back.Been hammering on this since time began 

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/left-tackle/available/    There are exactly TWO FA LT's maybe give Robinson a look? Browns O line wasn't terrible and he's only 27.BTW he was a round 1 pick in 2014.Seems to me he is a guy who could, come in with experience.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

As far as Schwartz.    Overall in his career he has had good defenses everywhere he has gone, some really good ones.   For me, I'm in the middle with him.  The big picture I think works because his system puts emphasis on the DL, getting good players there and getting the front 4 to the QB.    I don't think it's a shock that 2017 was a very good year for the D as the DL was healthy and deep.   The secondary to me has been the same for the most part, we lost players each year, why did Douglass look good in 2017 compared to the other years... maybe the pass rush????     So overall, I like the philosophy there, I believe the D starts with the DL and get that to as high of a level as possible.    

As far as schemes though.  I don't really see anything all that creative, behind the front 4.   I wouldn't say it was on the extreme of being either good or bad.  It is what it is, rush for and use 7 to cover and have better results when the 4 get there.  WE have seen worse.    To me it shows how impressive Jim Johnson was, having success without ever really having the dominant front, even though 2004 season once Burgess stepped up really put the DL at it's highest level under JJ.    But to be honest, it will be hard for us Eagle fans to love any " scheme"  for a while after having JJ here.   Nothing will ever seem so creative like that.  JJ did it out of necessity.   It is what it is, our DL needs to perform, when they do, the D does well, when they don't the D won't do so hot and it will appear like our secondary or our schemes are at fault.  

I agree, hes about middle of the pack. By stats his 18 year career he avgs in the 12-15 range of defenses. The only few years he had a top 10 defense was when that teams offense was top 5 and top 3 in time of pos. So I do think it was good to start with the safe move of Jim with Doug first getting going but at this point his defense is stale. Most teams know the play call and just audible once they get to the line. He does not really fit the Philly style we want and its time to get a change. If the Eagles wanted him back, they would have extended him by now. So Id expect this final year of his contract to be his last in Philly.

And yes, Jim Johnson was a great hire by Reid and the best DC in Philly. Bud Carson and Buddy are a close 2nd. We were spoiled with them. 

18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.spotrac.com/nfl/free-agents/all/left-tackle/available/    There are exactly TWO FA LT's maybe give Robinson a look? Browns O line wasn't terrible and he's only 27.BTW he was a round 1 pick in 2014.Seems to me he is a guy who could, come in with experience.

Cordy Glenn could be a option as well. Sadly its all about $$$ right now. Wouldnt surprise me if Howie pulled off a trade though for a Oline(OT or OG) somewhere on a rookie deal still to get someone who has better experience even as a backup at a cap friendly price tag. 

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Just frustrated at being back to a .500 club when we had it going.If he's gonna be tearing up biceps,maybe he needs to pick a different line of work.Now maybe this was a one of,but if you are a lineman your extremities are your job.Bad break? IDK Or does he need muscle building? IDK that either.it's our hope that he was ready to take over.I didn't see the play,so hard for me to say.All I know is we seem to be back on the injury wagon again

Didn't a few other Eagles also have this injury also?   It's an issue just with him now?  I think it's your perception of the issue and trying to make something out of nothing here.  Kid got hurt, it happens.  Maybe Brooks the best RG in football needs to pick a different line of work too since he has been getting season ending injuries 3 years in a row now????    I'm as frustrated as you with the injuries. but lets not be "Fake news" and start inventing stuff without facts here.  

In practice today that starting lineup was Pryor, Seumalo, Kelce, Peters and Driscoll, with Mailata taking second team reps at LT.

This could mean a couple of different things. The first is that they are down on Mailata and have demoted him. The second is that there is a competition between Mailata and Pryor for the starting LT spot.

The third possibility is that the team is pretty much convinced that Peters is going to miss time, and they are preparing for a scenario where Pryor would move to RG and Mailata would move to to LT, as opposed to Herbig simply stepping in at RG.

I guess we won't know the plan until the season starts. At this point I don't know if Mailata is going to be named the starter or if he's going to be cut, but either one wouldn't shock me too much.

I do think it makes a lot of sense to give Driscoll reps with the first team at RT, as he is likely to be one of the three linemen active on gameday, and let Mailata focus on LT.

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yep totally agree we need to see what we have when he returns.Just saying,regardless of 'getting money back" if he is playing well,like his old self,I see no reason to trade him since that loot is already on the books.And once again,if he sucks,there won;t be a trade partner 

But the loot comes off the books, that is the reason for the trade. If the other WRs are doing ok, or the team isn;t contending...since he is gone next year anyway, why not save the cap space and potentially get another pick?  Saving $5 mil or so vs the cap could be the difference is getting a good FA  ... for example ... Slay has a $4.3 mil cap hit and Hargrave has a $3.45 mil cap hit.... why keep Alshon if that means passing up on a FA next year that could help for years?     Also, could make us have to cut a player we don't want too.  

To me, what needs to happen for us to NOT want to trade Alshon.... he needs to play at a high enough level to where it's absolutely necessary to keep him due to a huge drop off at WR ...and that our teams is really looking good with him in there as a true contender.  Otherwise, I can't forfeit the cap space and any pick we might get for him.  Just bad business.  

 

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Also a re-occuring theme(at least with me) is the DB's don't look back.Been hammering on this since time began 

This is an issue league wide.  Heard them talking about this on the local station a while back

4 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

I agree, hes about middle of the pack. By stats his 18 year career he avgs in the 12-15 range of defenses. The only few years he had a top 10 defense was when that teams offense was top 5 and top 3 in time of pos. So I do think it was good to start with the safe move of Jim with Doug first getting going but at this point his defense is stale. Most teams know the play call and just audible once they get to the line. He does not really fit the Philly style we want and its time to get a change. If the Eagles wanted him back, they would have extended him by now. So Id expect this final year of his contract to be his last in Philly.

And yes, Jim Johnson was a great hire by Reid and the best DC in Philly. Bud Carson and Buddy are a close 2nd. We were spoiled with them. 

For me time of possession is a team stat, not an " offensive" stat.   Simply because the defense gets off he field to give the offense the ball back.  

My favorite DC was Bud Carson, favorite all time not just with the Eagles.   Buddy was probably the most fun.     JJ did it in a different era, he had to be more creative without the stud DL.  But I would imagine if they had a ranking league wide of all time DCs... Carson would be ahead of JJ.    That 1991 D really stepped up with Carson.  Being that the offense had like 15 different QBs that season, it was a total uphill climb for that D to be #1 vs both the run and pass.   Plus the division back then was elite ... no offense to JJ, he did benefit from  the same as Andy and McNabb ... which was our division was not that good during the 2000s.  Rare to have 2 teams in the playoffs, were it was common place to have 2 and sometimes 3 in the late 80s/early 90s ... and there were only 5 playoff teams back then, not the 6 per conference... and soon to be 7 then 8 coming up now.  .

Wow - Saints negative 78 mill in cap next yr!

Jon Ritchie on the radio today....   He partner wants the Eagles to tell Peters to play LT, give him 48 hours to say yes, otherwise cut him.      Ritchie wants Peters to play RG.  Because he knows that Peters really wants to play LT.  Let him have the chaos around him at the LT spot and be in there every day where he knows he is letting his teammates down and also not getting the chance to play the position he wants.  He thinks that better punishment for Peters.   Plus as pointed out earlier on here... the idea of getting these other guys reps at LT is a good plan for the high probability that Peters would miss time anyway.  

Basically, for the Eagles... they need to plan for a new LT anyway due to JP getting hurt all the time     ... For JP, let him stew over at RG when he really wants to play LT.  Obviously nobody around the league wanted him as an LT and he won't get his chance to prove anyone wrong unless he decides to do what's right for the team. 

See Reuben Frank actually made a good point on a podcast recently. 

He said how would the huddle work if first play against Washington Carson gets strip sacked and its returned for a defensive TD? Offense comes straight back out and I just can't imagine how that huddle would work if JP is stood there at RG because he refuses to play LT unless he's paid to do so. 

This is a real mess!

Isn't it an unwritten rule to never make multiple changes on the OL unless you really have to? JP at LT period. Look over the past 10 pgs here and we have all the answers 

Seriously. Lane is prolly the best RT in the league. It's a whole lot better for us having JP go back to LT. Ask yourself - who can we get that's better? He will have to get spelled, we do need a solid replacement = Dillard's not it, at least not right now. JP wouldn't play LT if he thought he's hurt the team, I believe that.

2 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See Reuben Frank actually made a good point on a podcast recently. 

He said how would the huddle work if first play against Washington Carson gets strip sacked and its returned for a defensive TD? Offense comes straight back out and I just can't imagine how that huddle would work if JP is stood there at RG because he refuses to play LT unless he's paid to do so. 

This is a real mess!

Should Matt Pryor or anyone else ask for more money if they play LT?

The practice and the work hours are the same last I checked.   There is no way JP, who had all offseason to get a job, has any leverage or will come out looking good in the minds or normal people who understand the situation.  If it wasn't for Brooks injury, he wouldn't be on the Eagles.   Nobody in the league wants him.   Call his bluff, make him play G.  It's not a mess... he is just acting like an "#ZZ"  

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

It's not a mess...

Its not a mess? Having Pryor or potentially even Mailata isn't a mess? Come on now!

11 hours ago, joemas6 said:

But the loot comes off the books, that is the reason for the trade. If the other WRs are doing ok, or the team isn;t contending...since he is gone next year anyway, why not save the cap space and potentially get another pick?  Saving $5 mil or so vs the cap could be the difference is getting a good FA  ... for example ... Slay has a $4.3 mil cap hit and Hargrave has a $3.45 mil cap hit.... why keep Alshon if that means passing up on a FA next year that could help for years?     Also, could make us have to cut a player we don't want too.  

To me, what needs to happen for us to NOT want to trade Alshon.... he needs to play at a high enough level to where it's absolutely necessary to keep him due to a huge drop off at WR ...and that our teams is really looking good with him in there as a true contender.  Otherwise, I can't forfeit the cap space and any pick we might get for him.  Just bad business.  

 

LOL so WHEN do you guess you are a contender??? At 3-0 or 0-3 before Alshon comes back and you can run off 9 wins in a row?? (extreme but an example).So say with Alshon's return he's playing fine and we are at 7-7,are we a contender to the point we can trade Alshon? You want to lose him for a possible stretch run? And at what point do you decide the other WR's are "playing well?" I don't think you will know that by week 4(or sooner) when Alshon comes back.The loot is coming off the books at the end of the season anyway. I don't see him going anywhere unless he's playing well and we are 0-6 

11 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Didn't a few other Eagles also have this injury also?   It's an issue just with him now?  I think it's your perception of the issue and trying to make something out of nothing here.  Kid got hurt, it happens.  Maybe Brooks the best RG in football needs to pick a different line of work too since he has been getting season ending injuries 3 years in a row now????    I'm as frustrated as you with the injuries. but lets not be "Fake news" and start inventing stuff without facts here.  

My issue with him is he was a round 1 pick that isn't performing.I see nothing "fake news" about that. And you may be right about Brooks.I want guys that can play 16(or 17) games.Being the best RG in football does you no good for 5-7 games.You got from best RG in football to a guy who's gonna get kicked the rest of the way,so really that's a wash

11 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See Reuben Frank actually made a good point on a podcast recently. 

He said how would the huddle work if first play against Washington Carson gets strip sacked and its returned for a defensive TD? Offense comes straight back out and I just can't imagine how that huddle would work if JP is stood there at RG because he refuses to play LT unless he's paid to do so. 

This is a real mess!

We re-signed JP(in any capacity) because Dillard is not performing(hurt,coddled or what have you), ,so we had issues at LT and RG.Not sure how this works.If they sign a contract,unless it states specifically you are signing for ONE certain position,I believe they can play him wherever they want.because you ASSUME you are being signed for a certain position doesn't mean they have to play you there. As stupid as it sounds,if they told JP he was the punter,he would have to do it or break the contract.Of course you can slough off and play crappy if you don't like it.In that event you get benched and disgraced and after a nice stellar career SB and many Pro bowls, I doubt JP would want to tarnish his legacy by playing crappy at RG(or LT).Of course putting JP at punter would get the coach fired,but you get my drift.I think JP is the RG no matter what he wants to play or get paid.BTW the CDC BS'd everyone on the covid stats(as I figured),so I think we see a full season and REAL fans in the stands very soon.As far as JP, I say you "signed a contract we will play you either at RG or LT as WE SEE FIT".I like the 48 hour thing because as stated no other team would pay him LT money and we gave him that opportunity to find out.Should be interesting.I still think we should look at Robinson.If I'm paying a LT I want someone who's worth my money and at 27 and a #1 round 2014 pick he has tread left on the tires and he is a LT,not a RG who wants to play LT lol

Has anyone seen anything from JP, his agent, or the Eagles that JP won't play LT unless he gets more money or are we still relying on a reporter who has been wrong before?