48 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Hurts is already limited,  the scheme is emphasizing his two skills....running and the short pass..   other than that what " TANGIBLE " skills does he have that stands out?   Gotta coach to your players strengths , the QB is the most important player.  RPO, bubble screens and short crosses are perfect for dude with a weak but accurate arm.

Hurts had a good long ball. I think, like most young players, he just needs to keep working on accuracy, consistency and decision making. Not sure there is a young QB I’ve ever thought didn’t need to work on those areas. Very fixable areas. I think you saying "weak arm” isn’t accurate….doesn’t have a cannon of an arm is accurate.

48 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Your point is???? You find ONE guy and harp on it? I doubt seriously if he needs to be told he made a bad play.I'm sure he is aware of it and doesn't need to be told "Next play". if he needs that,I don't want him on my team because whiners finish last

He doesn’t need to be told he made a bad play. He needs to be told ‘I believe in you the next play….forget about it.’

32 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO, no Siri's scheme is "Hurts is our offense". I will go back and forth between RPO and play action. We fail on play action because we have no running game,so it's all RPO baby!!!.I bet Chip Kelly is jealous of our offense 🤣

^ what he said,which equates to our burner WR's being wasted picks with THIS QB

Until the defense falls asleep like they did Sunday vs Watkins.    The issue on Sunday and vs Dallas, we didn't execute the normal college offense like we did vs the other teams.. but yesterday the defense ( or Darnold, whichever you prefer) kept us close to where ...boom... one play gets us back into it.    I don't think we will see many points with this offense in most games, but if they occupy the ball and take advantage in certain situations,  they may win some.  Ultimately though,  either the scheme is going to have to change to beat the better teams and the QB will have to make plays outside his comfort zone.  

The Hurts people will blame the coach,  the others will blame Hurts.   Or maybe we get surprised and things develop?    

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts had a good long ball. I think, like most young players, he just needs to keep working on accuracy, consistency and decision making. Not sure there is a young QB I’ve ever thought didn’t need to work on those areas. Very fixable areas. I think you saying "weak arm” isn’t accurate….doesn’t have a cannon of an arm is accurate.

Dude....winding up and throwing a rainbow 51 yards ... it's not an NFL starting QB arm in 2021.   The defenders are too fast.   Look at the INT, he unloaded it ...like 40 yards , Smith was way past that on his route.  

He has a nice 35-40 yard throw when the timing is on and he gets rid of it early.   That's not going to open anything up much. Not on plays where he has to hold the ball longer than 3 seconds.  So that eliminates the ad libbed long ball, it all needs to be planned.   That limits the offense, forces it to have to be more efficient and on time that other offenses.  

Think it’s been pretty clear on the offensive and defensive gameplans. Not many have been good coming into the game. Give credit to the D this past game for a solid gamelan. ATL game probably give credit to both. Otherwise the gameplans have been poor at best. Patrick Mahomes most think is the best QB in the league. Had the same record as us. You blaming him for everything too?

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Dude....winding up and throwing a rainbow 51 yards ... it's not an NFL starting QB arm in 2021.   The defenders are too fast.   Look at the INT, he unloaded it ...like 40 yards , Smith was way past that on his route.  

He has a nice 35-40 yard throw when the timing is on and he gets rid of it early.   That's not going to open anything up much. Not on plays where he has to hold the ball longer than 3 seconds.  So that eliminates the ad libbed long ball, it all needs to be planned.   That limits the offense, forces it to have to be more efficient and on time that other offenses.  

Yes, like any QB, it limits the offense to can’t do as much as if you had Patrick Mahomes at the helm. Most of the league has to deal with that. I can deal with that. But let’s not blame Siri’s bubble screen limited offense on Hurts. Those are Siri’s limitations. I think the young WR corps also limits things. Why I could see what Pedey was dealing with last year.

The radio host Saturday had it perfect.  " you expect young QBs to have mental errors that you can fix,with Hurts it's the physical part with the arm that isn't the usual ...chalk it up to being a young QB... that I don't see being fixable " 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes, like any QB, it limits the offense to can’t do as much as if you had Patrick Mahomes at the helm. Most of the league has to deal with that. I can deal with that. But let’s not blame Siri’s bubble screen limited offense on Hurts. Those are Siri’s limitations. I think the young WR corps also limits things. Why I could see what Pedey was dealing with last year.

Dude....Hurts has a weak arm by 2021 standards... it's not even up for discussion....it's obvious.   You gotta throw a ball further than that with today's athletes...  but with you,  always an extreme.   

I'll ask you....32 starting NFL QBs....they wound up and threw a ball... do you think Hurts could be in the top 30?  Who would he beat out?   

Most NFL QBs can't throw like Mahomes....and most NFL QBs throw further than Hurts.  Those 2 plays yesterday clearly showed this.

I keep trying to chalk things up to a young coaching staff that maybe can be fixable. But really don’t believe it.

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 I think the young WR corps also limits things. Why I could see what Pedey was dealing with last year.

100%... exactly what BOTH the former coach and QB were dealing with last year.  Even with less experience there, a worse OL, and injured TEs and RBs.  Absolutely 100%.... yet Howie was only one who didn't suffer from it.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Dude....Hurts has a weak arm by 2021 standards... it's not even up for discussion....it's obvious.   You gotta throw a ball further than that with today's athletes...  but with you,  always an extreme.   

I'll ask you....32 starting NFL QBs....they wound up and threw a ball... do you think Hurts could be in the top 30?  Who would he beat out?   

Most NFL QBs can't throw like Mahomes....and most NFL QBs throw further than Hurts.  Those 2 plays yesterday clearly showed this.

I don’t think that’s the issue with Hurts. I think he has a comparable arm to Brady and Brees. He can throw it deep. Doesn’t have to do the whole wind up like Foles did. Just think he doesn’t have the velocity on the longer out pattern throws that the huge arms have. Can’t throw those ‘on-a-rope.’ So it gives a defender more time to recover possibly. But let’s not exaggerate to think he can only throw short crossers and bubble screens. He does those very well I’ll add. But that’s Siri. Was saying that before he even knew who is QB would be. His offensive mind is limited.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I keep trying to chalk things up to a young coaching staff that maybe can be fixable. But really don’t believe it.

I agree, no staff can fix the QBs limitations,  we just hope he can perfect the things he is good at... the things they call for him to do every game. 

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I agree, no staff can fix the QBs limitations,  we just hope he can perfect the things he is good at... the things they call for him to do every game. 

Not many QBs could carry Siri and Gannon the way Hurts has.

Listen to Carolina’s coach. He knows all too well how Hurts can carry a team on his back.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t think that’s the issue with Hurts. I think he has a comparable arm to Brady and Brees. He can throw it deep. Doesn’t have to do the whole wind up like Foles did. Just think he doesn’t have the velocity on the longer out pattern throws that the huge arms have. Can’t throw those ‘on-a-rope.’ So it gives a defender more time to recover possibly. But let’s not exaggerate to think he can only throw short crossers and bubble screens. He does those very well I’ll add. But that’s Siri. Was saying that before he even knew who is QB would be. His offensive mind is limited.

Ham.... it's easy... instead of watching 100 hours of college tape... go watch a highlight from the Eagles games...  see the yard marker where Hurts throws the ball...see how he gets every ounce of juice behind it...then see where it lands.   Then your 1st grade math skills should take over.      He has a weak arm... distance and velocity.   

And I didn't say that's all he could throw, I said one of his skill sets is he throws them consistently accurate.   If McNabb could have had that skill set, he would be hall of fame.  As a play caller, I want to use that. Then you build off of that and throw that 35-40 yarder where he has shown very good accuracy when the timing is there.    At this point, I think it would be dumb to get him to throw a lot of 20 yard outs or intermediate stuff in traffic.  Does it mean he can't do it?  Not necessarily,  Embiid can shoot 3s, but I don't want him doing it more than posting up.    Same with Hurts, you get the defense asleep by the constant short stuff that he does well, then sneak a play in there when they aren't ready.  But the bulk should play to his strengths.

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I agree, no staff can fix the QBs limitations,  we just hope he can perfect the things he is good at... the things they call for him to do every game. 

Sure Hall of Fame coaching staff we have. I’m sure they all will get taken from us to get HC jobs next year.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not many QBs could carry Siri and Gannon the way Hurts has.

Listen to Carolina’s coach. He knows all too well how Hurts can carry a team on his back.

Sunday.... not Saturday.   It's a world of difference 

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Sure Hall of Fame coaching staff we have. I’m sure they all will get taken from us to get HC jobs next year.

Who gets replaced first..... the coach or the QB?

Not sure whether in college, high school or the pros it matters if you’re talking distance. He’s shown 55 yard in the air throws. He’s thrown it over 50 as an Eagle. Sure ge can’t just flip his wrist like Mike Vick could do to achieve that. I accept that. I’m fine with that.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Sunday.... not Saturday.   It's a world of difference 

Who gets replaced first..... the coach or the QB?

We know it won’t be Rosie

Not real high on Siri. He wasn’t ready….clearly. If he can get there eventually would be the question. But let’s not act like he’s developed this perfect offense specific for Hurts and gameplans perfect every game. Siri hasn’t done a good job so far. To me that’s just fact.

But you liked Chipper and thought he was so great. Do we’ll just let it all play out and see who’s right. I think Hurts is probably screwed because of it.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Yes I see scheme.  It's the Chip Kelly offense, except now we have a running QB that can throw short passes consistently accurate.    It's playing to the strengths of the QB.    Yes we ran the ball at the end of the game as a tired Carolina D that was on the field a ton at the end.  Congrats they got 25 yards.   They aren't going to win like the 1982 Redskins.   For me,  I want to see as much Hurts, Smith and Watkins as possible.  Mix in Gainwell for some key plays.      But I'm probably the lowest on Sanders on this board. I don't see him as an impact player at all... he can run a little,  but dude has zero football savvy.  Anyway,  you need to find out about your QB, giving it to RBs isn't helping his development.    Obviously they didn't punt last week, so I would think the coach has a clue.    The issue that escapes people, when the other team has better players, you can't just do what you want.    The game changed a little when they hit the deep shot to Watkins where Carolina had players in the box, and when Hurts kept it and ran around Reddick... up until that point Carolina was focused on stopping the run.   Those 2 plays made them have to think a little... helped at the end.   Probably why the read option stuff was making Hurts choose to pass.   It is what it is, limited ability leads to limited play calling.    But it's playing to Hurts strengths for sure.

  You are missing my point. Every QB needs a running game! How do you expect any growth if all he does is pass the ball EVERY play? Sure we need to find out about him. How about running the ball to set up the pass? I don't care who runs it. Gainwell is fine also. To expect any growth when you pass 70% of the time is never going to happen. The other Team has a terrible Run Defense. Not sure what you are saying better players limiting what you can do....

51 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Aren't they the #1 run defense?  They are tough to run on... but their secondary has injuries, so I hope we don't hear thr peanut gallery complain about running the ball.   This should be ideal for the crossing routes, especially thrown at Shermon.

Agreed,the game plan should change with your opposition. Tactics should be different every game not the same "plan". When we can run on a team we SHOULD(but we don't because we employ the 1 size fits all game plan)

49 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts had a good long ball. I think, like most young players, he just needs to keep working on accuracy, consistency and decision making. Not sure there is a young QB I’ve ever thought didn’t need to work on those areas. Very fixable areas. I think you saying "weak arm” isn’t accurate….doesn’t have a cannon of an arm is accurate.

Yeah but that defeats the purpose of drafting flat out burner WR's. We should have drafted TALL, heavier guys who can do JUMP balls(such as Alshon types). Hightower would probably work in this offense

48 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He doesn’t need to be told he made a bad play. He needs to be told ‘I believe in you the next play….forget about it.’

Isn't that what pro's do anyway?

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Until the defense falls asleep like they did Sunday vs Watkins.    The issue on Sunday and vs Dallas, we didn't execute the normal college offense like we did vs the other teams.. but yesterday the defense ( or Darnold, whichever you prefer) kept us close to where ...boom... one play gets us back into it.    I don't think we will see many points with this offense in most games, but if they occupy the ball and take advantage in certain situations,  they may win some.  Ultimately though,  either the scheme is going to have to change to beat the better teams and the QB will have to make plays outside his comfort zone.  

The Hurts people will blame the coach,  the others will blame Hurts.   Or maybe we get surprised and things develop?    

Darnold was very disappointing yesterday. His accuracy was off. We've seen that with TOP QB's before also. It happens.We timerd it right(or they timed a bad day wrong at HOME). I really thought Darnold would open up deep vs us. Slay was all over DJ Moore(his fav receiver),but he was missing alot of the throws to the others. We got lucky we won this one. They have a top Defense and for some reason they let down also. Maybe they "took us for granted" thinking "easy win". That happens at times. even without Caff they had a running game. We got lucky(or better to say we made a crucial play when we HAD to have it which is a rarity) and I will leave it at that

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Looking forward to the complaints about not running the ball enough vs Tampa... lol. 

Well, I am fairly certain we will be down by 20 at halftime. So logic will tell you that running the ball will not come into play when they are scoring at will. But I would like to see them run the ball in the first half. TB's run defense is not that great this year. If they never help the offensive line by running the ball 40% of the time then you will start seeing the pass protection diminish.

  Then everyone will start the "O-Line has injuries" BS again. You know what? Cleveland had 4th and 5th string Tackles playing yesterday and that did not deter them one bit about running the ball. Funny thing was they got the same production out of their 5th stringer.... that's a shocker....