21 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Jury still out on some of this.

I think joe nailed Hurts in a nutshell he has been poor at throwing the deep ball especially if he waits under throws guys by 5 yards yet if he releases on time it’s a catchable ball…. Intermediate attack is a mixed bag he missing way to many wide open guys he makes some splash throws in this area but definitely needs more consistency. 
 

Short stuff he hits and he hits well but teams sit on these routes since he doesn’t attack the other areas. 
Again why I say it’s nice he throws for 300 yards when the WR/TE are doing majority of the work on YAC plays but when he doesn’t get those YAC yards look at him we see the 115 yard performance or the 15/24 for 74 yards in the half vs Carolina. 

48 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

Jury still out on some of this. He needs to work the middle of the field more. Have better overall vision of the defense and what’s going on. Really think he could get some great timing routes linked up with these receivers. That three or five step drop and throw type timing.

Right the ones where the offense is always on time. 

1. He is excellent in the short passes, hits guys in stride, probably best Eagles QB we have seem in a while for that... where I like him a lot.

2.  Intermediate routes ... he can make these throws, but isn't consistent, has nothing to do with reads or the mental aspect, it's his throwing. 

3.   Long passes  .. he is accurate on those quick 35-40 yard passes that are timing.      When he needs to go deeper, his weak arm limits him, it's not mental, it's his arm.

4. When he rolls left, he struggles to make throws, his weak arm becomes an issue.  IMO it's not mental. 

5.  He is an excellent runner. 

Could he improve with reads, absolutely... the arm stuff very unlikely to change.  There is an article from Greg Cosell that popped up with his scouting report, I will look to share.

33 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think joe nailed Hurts in a nutshell he has been poor at throwing the deep ball especially if he waits under throws guys by 5 yards yet if he releases on time it’s a catchable ball…. Intermediate attack is a mixed bag he missing way to many wide open guys he makes some splash throws in this area but definitely needs more consistency. 
 

Short stuff he hits and he hits well but teams sit on these routes since he doesn’t attack the other areas. 
Again why I say it’s nice he throws for 300 yards when the WR/TE are doing majority of the work on YAC plays but when he doesn’t get those YAC yards look at him we see the 115 yard performance or the 15/24 for 74 yards in the half vs Carolina. 

Basically it depends how good the defense is.   Which means come money time, it's not going to work. 

Siri not on the hot seat if anybody was curious… I will say that is maybe the one good thing about Lurie he doesn’t make rash calls on coaches we are not the Browns and fire guys in 1 season.

Siri and Co. might not be the guys but we will give them a decent window… I kind of figured we hired these guys a year early but better a year early then a year late 

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2021/10/random-post-greg-cosell-pretty-much-nailed-his-jalen-hurts-scouting-report.html?fbclid=IwAR2_bJEo5PXTmfUSwMr1qtSvDi36erXfSukSsls6FU8pUfYEzpJXY7vY3W0

 

This was pretty much the way I have been thinking the whole time.   Plus I will add... to me it was obvious Doug didn't want to work or develop Hurts, because he isn't one to run this style offense.  

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

https://www.crossingbroad.com/2021/10/random-post-greg-cosell-pretty-much-nailed-his-jalen-hurts-scouting-report.html?fbclid=IwAR2_bJEo5PXTmfUSwMr1qtSvDi36erXfSukSsls6FU8pUfYEzpJXY7vY3W0

 

This was pretty much the way I have been thinking the whole time.   Plus I will add... to me it was obvious Doug didn't want to work or develop Hurts, because he isn't one to run this style offense.  

Yeah, that's a great eval. He's not used to the constant pressure the NFL puts up as opposed to the "sometimes" college ranks. he can be defeated just by getting to him consistently and we've seen the defenses do(or try)to do that. Also read up on the difference between RPO and play action as far as the O line is concerned. If you understand that difference,you can understand why we apparently have no running game. Basically it's because they are counting in their heads how long they have to hold for a possible pass option. Once that 'clock" passes, they assume they must now run block for the QB. This explains the "ineligible downfield linemen". I don't think our O line is that bad,but I think they are being taught to do things they never did before. I believe if we went back to a more standard offense,Hurts would be more successful using play action rather than the RPO. The O line would have to go back to opening holes for Sanders et al,which I think is what we all want to happen,then let Hurts run the play action. I feel this would work out ALOT better. Once again that doesn't help his weak arm,but it gvies us a running game which could help him from having defenses tee off on him every play because they know it's predictable. So,IMO play action style would help this team vs the college RPO and I have been saying that awhile. Time to scrap college ball, and run with the big dogs

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Siri not on the hot seat if anybody was curious… I will say that is maybe the one good thing about Lurie he doesn’t make rash calls on coaches we are not the Browns and fire guys in 1 season.

Siri and Co. might not be the guys but we will give them a decent window… I kind of figured we hired these guys a year early but better a year early then a year late 

I'm trying to understand Siri. This was not the offense run in Indy with Luck. if they made alterations for Brissett,that;s fine for THAT remaining year because you HAD to change to suit Brissett instead of Luck. With Wentz now they have gone back to doing what they did with Luck If Siri wants to stick with this "Brissett strategy" then I think he will cut his own throat. Just like Ped made changes for Foles when we lost Wentz,it's ,a TEMPORARY change not one you implement when your team was built for someone else. Hurts is similar to Jackson(sans the arm strength),but if you watch the Ravens they have a running game and Jackson uses play action(not RPO). I feel Hurts would do better with this, but we're apparently teaching our Oline that opening holes for running backs is not a priority. Sorry, I am just not pleased with this "system" or how it's being used. it leads to mismanaged incoherent play and I believe it's a mistake

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm trying to understand Siri. This was not the offense run in Indy with Luck. if they made alterations for Brissett,that;s fine for THAT remaining year because you HAD to change to suit Brissett instead of Luck. With Wentz now they have gone back to doing what they did with Luck If Siri wants to stick with this "Brissett strategy" then I think he will cut his own throat. Just like Ped made changes for Foles when we lost Wentz,it's ,a TEMPORARY change not one you implement when your team was built for someone else. hurts is similar to jackson,but if you watch the Ravens they have a running game and Jackson uses play action(not RPO). I feel Hurts would do better with this, but we're apparently teaching our Oline that opening holes for running backs is not a priority. Sorry, I am just not pleased with this "system" or how it's being used. it leads to mismanaged incoherent play and I believe it's a mistake

Siri likes things like what they did with Luck and rivers but is trying to cater to what is Hurts Strengths 

14 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm trying to understand Siri. This was not the offense run in Indy with Luck. if they made alterations for Brissett,that;s fine for THAT remaining year because you HAD to change to suit Brissett instead of Luck. With Wentz now they have gone back to doing what they did with Luck If Siri wants to stick with this "Brissett strategy" then I think he will cut his own throat. Just like Ped made changes for Foles when we lost Wentz,it's ,a TEMPORARY change not one you implement when your team was built for someone else. Hurts is similar to Jackson(sans the arm strength),but if you watch the Ravens they have a running game and Jackson uses play action(not RPO). I feel Hurts would do better with this, but we're apparently teaching our Oline that opening holes for running backs is not a priority. Sorry, I am just not pleased with this "system" or how it's being used. it leads to mismanaged incoherent play and I believe it's a mistake

100% , but this was why I didn't like the Hurts pick from the start.  I don't want this style at all, not a winning NFL formula, but it fits the Hurts.  Going down the wrong road.  But lets see what happens in 2 seasons.  If I was Siri, I would run 40 times the next two games... this way the fans get off of the " we need to run the ball kick"   When that fails, then I would go to an offense where Hurts throws constantly 10 to 25 yards passes.   Then when that fails.... go back to this RPO, short passing game... then he makes the point of " this is what I need to do with this guy"    Gotta leave zero doubt here.  Run the ball Nick.  25 times to Sanders, lets see what he has and how giving him the ball that much effects our points.  

15 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Siri likes things like what they did with Luck and rivers but is trying to cater to what is Hurts Strengths 

And avoid his weaknesses.  

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm trying to understand Siri. This was not the offense run in Indy with Luck. if they made alterations for Brissett,that;s fine for THAT remaining year because you HAD to change to suit Brissett instead of Luck. With Wentz now they have gone back to doing what they did with Luck If Siri wants to stick with this "Brissett strategy" then I think he will cut his own throat. Just like Ped made changes for Foles when we lost Wentz

Foles credited Reich for changing the offense to fit his strengths/style of play when they lost Wentz … not Doug.  

Lane coming back but will he play this week?

KC leading the league lol

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Siri likes things like what they did with Luck and rivers but is trying to cater to what is Hurts Strengths 

Yeah like I said the "Brissett system"

41 minutes ago, time2rock said:

Foles credited Reich for changing the offense to fit his strengths/style of play when they lost Wentz … not Doug.  

 Immaterial who he "credited".Doug was the HC. He had final say. But changing it for a "game manager" was a no brainer you and I could have done that

26 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Lane coming back but will he play this week?

Do we want him to???? I mean this is a serious question, or do we build/plan for the future without him? I suppose since we are, paying him.......

6 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I think joe nailed Hurts in a nutshell he has been poor at throwing the deep ball especially if he waits under throws guys by 5 yards yet if he releases on time it’s a catchable ball…. Intermediate attack is a mixed bag he missing way to many wide open guys he makes some splash throws in this area but definitely needs more consistency. 
 

Short stuff he hits and he hits well but teams sit on these routes since he doesn’t attack the other areas. 
Again why I say it’s nice he throws for 300 yards when the WR/TE are doing majority of the work on YAC plays but when he doesn’t get those YAC yards look at him we see the 115 yard performance or the 15/24 for 74 yards in the half vs Carolina. 

That’s a good QB that distributes the ball so a guy can make a play. Nothing wrong with that at all. He clearly can throw deep regardless of how long he waits. It’s more just a fundamental issue of not trying to make that throw off your back foot. Get balanced and launch it.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He clearly can throw deep regardless of how long he waits

Baloney

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Do we want him to???? I mean this is a serious question, or do we build/plan for the future without him? I suppose since we are, paying him.......

Definately want him to if for no other reason than to get Mailata back on the left side.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Doug was the HC.He had final say

The 2 worked very well together, Reich I believe is the better play designer... Doug is an excellent feel for the game as a play caller.   After Reich left,  I don't feel play design was great...  but again everyone knows my most important thing is the players.   2017 they both had the players to design and call the plays.  The last few years just hasn't been the same. Not even close.  Especially IMO at the RB spot where that team could keep pounding the ball.  

Per PFF

Wentz on 10+ yard passes this season

QBR 147.8 1st in league

7TDs

0 turnover worthy plays

 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s a good QB that distributes the ball so a guy can make a play. Nothing wrong with that at all. He clearly can throw deep regardless of how long he waits. It’s more just a fundamental issue of not trying to make that throw off your back foot. Get balanced and launch it.

He launches is 51 yards... you can't delay when you only throw 51 yards...not in 2021 NFL.

1 minute ago, Asg 15 said:

Per PFF

Wentz on 10+ yard passes this season

QBR 147.8 1st in league

7TDs

0 turnover worthy plays

 

No drops from Hightower?

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The 2 worked very well together, Reich I believe is the better play designer... Doug is an excellent feel for the game as a play caller.   After Reich left,  I don't feel play design was great...  but again everyone knows my most important thing is the players.   2017 they both had the players to design and call the plays.  The last few years just hasn't been the same. Not even close.  Especially IMO at the RB spot where that team could keep pounding the ball.  

Yeah,our only real basher is on the PS

I have Derrick Henry.I need 23 points to win.I think it's going to be a rough night for us both lol 

31 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

He launches is 51 yards... you can't delay when you only throw 51 yards...not in 2021 NFL.

No drops from Hightower?

What’s the average drive length? Like 70 yards. Just get balanced and set to throw distance throws. Can’t just fling it off balance off his back foot.

36 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The 2 worked very well together, Reich I believe is the better play designer... Doug is an excellent feel for the game as a play caller.   After Reich left,  I don't feel play design was great...  but again everyone knows my most important thing is the players.   2017 they both had the players to design and call the plays.  The last few years just hasn't been the same. Not even close.  Especially IMO at the RB spot where that team could keep pounding the ball.  

Groh was a part of that game planning. Then he took over at OC. Obviously not as experienced as Reich, who’s natural coaching position is OC. DeFellipo had a say as well. Obviously Groh would have grow(n) into the job. Sort of like now we are waiting for Siri to grow into the OC job here.