6 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

156 MPH  AND more that twice the legal limit.

He needs to be put UNDER the jail

Pity, he had a great future

Ham try to follow along. I will go slow. We had Hurts and the late drafted QB's we got were trash. So we got Flacco. LATER Minshew became available and we took him. We brought him in as a "THIRD QB". Nobody said he was bought in as "THIRD STRING" and I imagne if Hurts went Down,Minshew would have started over Flacco. This is pretty evident since we traded FLACCO and NOT Minshew. The fact we got him after Flacco is irrelevent

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Pity, he had a great future

That's what happens when you give a kid who's never had a pot to piss in more money than they ever dreaned of

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

That's what happens when you give a kid who's never had a pot to piss in more money than they ever dreaned of

They can afford Uber or a taxi etc.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They can afford Uber or a taxi etc.

Yes they can.

When you were that age would you have taken an Uber or driven your Corvette?

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Is what I considered when seeing many prospects come along since Hurts. How many of them look better than he is…or even looked? I had only Trevor Lawrence this past draft.

Lmao this is terrible concept how many have looked better then Minshew???? Hurts can’t even hold a candle to him…. Compare Minshew vs Hurts stats in there first what 12 games. 
 

Mac Jones has also looked far superior to Hurts, Lawrence is easy, Herbert, Burrow honestly a lot of QBs. 

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I absolutely understand. Just like I understand Stache was brought on as the third stringer. That’s not hard for normal people to understand.

If this is the case why is he not the 3rd string QB now???? Your right though not hard for normal people to see that Minshew was brought in as A. Insurance policy to Hurts and B. A cheap QB option for the next 2 years. We were never going to turn this roster to Flacco hence why we traded him 

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Which true rookies are outperforming him? Alot of these true rookies? Make the list. I’d take Trevor no brainer over him. But he’s not even really outperforming. Wilson sure isn’t. Lance sure isn’t. Fields sure isn’t. Jones been doing ok. I’d argue he’s just receiving much better coaching. But yes, please go ahead and list your "a lot of true rookies outperforming Hurts.”

And Justin Herbert was an absolute stud as a true rookie and Burrow is pretty good also… You know the QB in the same year as Hurts. 
 

Lance has 3 passing tds only 1 int and rushed for a TD in 4 games played really hasn’t been terrible Id take Lance over Hurts easily

thats 3 rookie QBs Id take over Hurts right now wouldn’t even be close 

42 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

If this is the case why is he not the 3rd string QB now???? Your right though not hard for normal people to see that Minshew was brought in as A. Insurance policy to Hurts and B. A cheap QB option for the next 2 years. We were never going to turn this roster to Flacco hence why we traded him 

Been trying to explain this lol. Just because stache was brought in LAST, doesn't mean he was LAST in the pecking order. I am not getting through apparently lol

55 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao this is terrible concept how many have looked better then Minshew???? Hurts can’t even hold a candle to him…. Compare Minshew vs Hurts stats in there first what 12 games. 
 

Mac Jones has also looked far superior to Hurts, Lawrence is easy, Herbert, Burrow honestly a lot of QBs. 

That's is my issue. Instead of taking a college QB and turning him into a PRO,we are taking a PRO offense and trying to turn them into a COLLEGE offense. Hurts should be catering to the PRO's,not the other way around. But Siri is trying to make a good impression,when he should be making the tough calls,unless Howie is interfering(as usual) 

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Why would we hold on to any backup for much? Anybody wants them….then sure trade them. Flacco was actually making money also.

During his coaching heyday, someone asked Joe Gibbs who the most important player on the team was.  Without hesitation, he said the quarterback.  When asked who the second most important player on the team was, Gibb said it was the backup quarterback.

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's is my issue. Instead of taking a college QB and turning him into a PRO,we are taking a PRO offense and trying to turn them into a COLLEGE offense. Hurts should be catering to the PRO's,not the other way around. But Siri is trying to make a good impression,when he should be making the tough calls,unless Howie is interfering(as usual) 

I agree.  Let me ask this:  What's to prevent a team from having two quarterbacks on the roster with completely different styles.  Let's say you had a Foles type and a Hurts type.  And one is the starter - but at some time during the year, out of the blue, the team installs the other as a starter for a particular game because of favorable matchups.  Why isn't this done?

1 hour ago, Procus said:

I agree.  Let me ask this:  What's to prevent a team from having two quarterbacks on the roster with completely different styles.  Let's say you had a Foles type and a Hurts type.  And one is the starter - but at some time during the year, out of the blue, the team installs the other as a starter for a particular game because of favorable matchups.  Why isn't this done?

They did that in New Orleans with Brees and Hill. Can't say it was really successful(we tried it too with Wentz and Hurts in on a few plays). It would be like being in a rock band (say KISS) then pulling Paul Stanley and putting in Willie Nelson. It's just not the same band. You could probably play a concert,but it's not  the same band now. So you build your team around your QB's strengths and hide his weaknesses. if you change QB's the team just isn't the same,so I would personally be against 2 different QB types playing together on a rotation basis. Wentz/Hurts were different types.This team was built for WENTZ and it's why we are failing to this point with Hurts. The team was not built for him

Looks like GB and Rodgers stand to get hit with a bunch of fines. Every Post game that Rodgers did without a mask is treated as a separate violation and he never wore one. Gonna get expensive....  Dumb....

1 hour ago, stine said:

Looks like GB and Rodgers stand to get hit with a bunch of fines. Every Post game that Rodgers did without a mask is treated as a separate violation and he never wore one. Gonna get expensive....  Dumb....

Mandating infringement on your rights as an American is dumber. He is no dumber that Kaep, just going the opposite direction. BTW mandates are NOT LAWS. ,If you want the laws changed,change them. Why wasn't Kaep fined for disrupting sporting events?

14 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Yes they can.

When you were that age would you have taken an Uber or driven your Corvette?

If I was drinking... probably take a limo with some friends.  Or have a posse with the driver not drinking at all.   

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

If I was drinking... probably take a limo with some friends.  Or have a posse with the driver not drinking at all.   

Well i never had that kind of money.

But i can tell you at 22 the only thing that could have kept me fron driving is i was a newlywed and my wife would have killed me.

BTW we're still married 46 years later.

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sad

12 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

That's is my issue. Instead of taking a college QB and turning him into a PRO,we are taking a PRO offense and trying to turn them into a COLLEGE offense. Hurts should be catering to the PRO's,not the other way around. But Siri is trying to make a good impression,when he should be making the tough calls,unless Howie is interfering(as usual) 

Should have been obvious the whole sequence of events where the front office is the mastermind behind it all.

Hurts was drafted as the combo of the very cheap # 2 and gimmick play guy.  With the idea we could trade him later for a pick ( QB factory)    Doug didn't trust him to run a normal offense, why do you think Siri would?   He looked great all summer, do you think it was anything of a different offense that what we have bee seeing?  

Flacco... was he absolute cheapest backup vs the cap, plus no trade or pick needed to get him.   

Mustache, is a 2 year version of Flacco... cheapest option,  but they spent the late round pick for him,  which they don't mind because they either would have to spend it anyway on a rookie next year, or get a more expensive option.

Mustache goes ahead of Flacco after he establishes himself,  simply because he is going to be around next year.  Was obvious.   He is an option next year to play ahead of Hurts.  For this year, Hurts would have to really be terrible for an extended period. We aren't there yet. 

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

If I was drinking... probably take a limo with some friends.  Or have a posse with the driver not drinking at all.   

  Things have changed since I was a kid. There were no taxi's and Uber did not even exist. But there were also much less people on the road, not that this gives anyone an excuse. Designated drivers were all we had. Either that or spend the night. I know there were nights when I should not have driven. Even so, I NEVER drove over the Speed limit!

   My kids never drove when they went our drinking. They either spent the night or used Uber. Ruggs was stupid. Plain and simple. Maybe he never had the parenting I gave, but I know the NFL does a pretty good job letting all Rookies Know about what to expect and the consequences.

 

5 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Well i never had that kind of money.

But i can tell you at 22 the only thing that could have kept me fron driving is i was a newlywed and my wife would have killed me.

BTW we're still married 46 years later.

Sad

Right, but you have to take the $$$ into consideration.  We couldn't afford the limo, posse or driver when we were that age.    Circumstances were different.   If I could, I would for sure use one of those if drinking was involved.  

2 minutes ago, stine said:

  Things have changed since I was a kid. There were no taxi's and Uber did not even exist. But there were also much less people on the road, not that this gives anyone an excuse. Designated drivers were all we had. Either that or spend the night. I know there were nights when I should not have driven. Even so, I NEVER drove over the Speed limit!

   My kids never drove when they went our drinking. They either spent the night or used Uber. Ruggs was stupid. Plain and simple. Maybe he never had the parenting I gave, but I know the NFL does a pretty good job letting all Rookies Know about what to expect and the consequences.

 

Correct... today there are more ways to avoid the situation,  especially if you have the $$$.

Unfortunately... the kid learned the hard way that it only takes one bad decision to ruin everything.     More unfortunate for the victim and their family. 

54 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Unfortunately... the kid learned the hard way that it only takes one bad decision to ruin everything.     More unfortunate for the victim and their family. 

Sadly alot drink and drive in Vegas. Not an excuse, but like Stine said if you go the speed limit, any mistakes can be held to a minimum(and probably without loss of life). The only consolation to the victim was, she never knew what hit her. Basically like getting hit with a missle

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Should have been obvious the whole sequence of events where the front office is the mastermind behind it all.

Hurts was drafted as the combo of the very cheap # 2 and gimmick play guy.  With the idea we could trade him later for a pick ( QB factory)    Doug didn't trust him to run a normal offense, why do you think Siri would?   He looked great all summer, do you think it was anything of a different offense that what we have bee seeing?  

Flacco... was he absolute cheapest backup vs the cap, plus no trade or pick needed to get him.   

Mustache, is a 2 year version of Flacco... cheapest option,  but they spent the late round pick for him,  which they don't mind because they either would have to spend it anyway on a rookie next year, or get a more expensive option.

Mustache goes ahead of Flacco after he establishes himself,  simply because he is going to be around next year.  Was obvious.   He is an option next year to play ahead of Hurts.  For this year, Hurts would have to really be terrible for an extended period. We aren't there yet. 

I think we give Minshew a few more weeks to gel here(and Hurts to improve although for me the clock is ticking)). I think we need to see Minshew play HERE. Sometimes players flourish in new surroundings and we have seen good players die on the vine with a new team. I feel we need to know what we have with stache. That may or may not alter any QB plans we have,but it would be nice to be certain,at least for me.Not that the FO cares, but I gave Hurts until week 8/9 and now we are there. I have seen no improvement from him,no growth at all. Still 1 read and panic and that's not good enough for me and I hope it's not good enough for Siri. I would still like to have Armstrong in the draft either way(maybe Ridder)