20 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think we give Minshew a few more weeks to gel here(and Hurts to improve although for me the clock is ticking)). I think we need to see Minshew play HERE. Sometimes players flourish in new surroundings and we have seen good players die on the vine with a new team. I feel we need to know what we have with stache. That may or may not alter any QB plans we have,but it would be nice to be certain,at least for me.Not that the FO cares, but I gave Hurts until week 8/9 and now we are there. I have seen no improvement from him,no growth at all. Still 1 read and panic and that's not good enough for me and I hope it's not good enough for Siri. I would still like to have Armstrong in the draft either way(maybe Ridder)

This is obviously where you and I differ a little.    I don't really need time for Hurts, all the time in the world isn't going to improve his arm.  It just limits his game.    For me, it's a culture thing.   That's why he got the job, so we need to have everyone in the locker room understand that culture isn't going to help anyone if he can't play.  Once we move on, it's done. So there can't be any doubt or looking back..  from front office, players, coaches and the cafeteria workers.   

The other thing is that I don't want a major QB move to be made next year either.  Perfect opportunity to use the draft picks at all the other spots,  and have the cap start to flip back in our favor.    For me, Mustache would get that opportunity next year after a year of failure and offseason for Hurts to where the obvious becomes obvious even to guys like Ham.  

Build the team,clear the cap....know 100% that neither Hurts nor Mustache is the guy, and then make your moves at QB and free agency.   Any short cut is going to be Ray Rhodes / Chip Kelly again where nothing sustains.  

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Mandating infringement on your rights as an American is dumber. He is no dumber that Kaep, just going the opposite direction. BTW mandates are NOT LAWS. ,If you want the laws changed,change them. Why wasn't Kaep fined for disrupting sporting events?

Absolutely brilliant GB! Couldn't agree more. Masks don't work anyways. When they are on you can still smell someone's cigarette smoke, perfume, etc. Hence, particles are still penetrating the aperture.

14 hours ago, Procus said:

I agree.  Let me ask this:  What's to prevent a team from having two quarterbacks on the roster with completely different styles.  Let's say you had a Foles type and a Hurts type.  And one is the starter - but at some time during the year, out of the blue, the team installs the other as a starter for a particular game because of favorable matchups.  Why isn't this done?

Because how do you practice?   You have the backup run a completely different offense... and what does that do for the rest of the players as far as development?    Can you do it for entertainment purposes...sure.... can you do it to possibly win a few more games and avoid the bottom of the standings...sure.  

Does it make sense for winning a Superbowl...  I don't see it.    Do you?

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Does it make sense for winning a Superbowl...  I don't see it.    Do you?

No and yes.  To get you to the SB, history shows running a somewhat consistent offense usually gets you there.  But look at the Eagles.  They pretty much installed a different offense than what they were running during the year, so tape was limited and hampered New England's ability to prepare and defend.

As a practical matter, with the order of authority and power on a team, in todays world, it can't be done if the season starter has guided the team through the regular season and playoffs.  But if the starter is compromised by injury in some way, and the backup with a good, but different skill set comes in, it can wreak havoc on the opposing defense to have to play an offense they're not prepared for.

28 minutes ago, Procus said:

No and yes.  To get you to the SB, history shows running a somewhat consistent offense usually gets you there.  But look at the Eagles.  They pretty much installed a different offense than what they were running during the year, so tape was limited and hampered New England's ability to prepare and defend.

As a practical matter, with the order of authority and power on a team, in todays world, it can't be done if the season starter has guided the team through the regular season and playoffs.  But if the starter is compromised by injury in some way, and the backup with a good, but different skill set comes in, it can wreak havoc on the opposing defense to have to play an offense they're not prepared for.

Dude, they didn't install a different offense in 2017.   The playbook was the same, they called the different plays.... slightly different, nothing major... to help Foles.   Wasn't close to suggesting getting a Foles and Hurts types in there.   Was a great pickup getting Foles for the reason they could run the same stuff as compared to Chase Daniel who was limited height and arm.  

McLovin!!!

Big T Jaxczon Kirkland for Washington Huskies is going up against Thibodeax the presumed top NFL prospect Eddge rushing for the Oregon Ducks this weekend

21 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Guess Foles was a waste of money

Meaning NOONE said WHO was 2 or 3 NOBODY!!!!!(except you of course)

Stache wasn’t even dressing and Flacco was….clear defined who was two….and third.

21 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ham try to follow along. I will go slow. We had Hurts and the late drafted QB's we got were trash. So we got Flacco. LATER Minshew became available and we took him. We brought him in as a "THIRD QB". Nobody said he was bought in as "THIRD STRING" and I imagne if Hurts went Down,Minshew would have started over Flacco. This is pretty evident since we traded FLACCO and NOT Minshew. The fact we got him after Flacco is irrelevent

He wasn’t dressing. It Hurts went down it had to be Flacco…because he had on actual football pads.

17 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao this is terrible concept how many have looked better then Minshew???? Hurts can’t even hold a candle to him…. Compare Minshew vs Hurts stats in there first what 12 games. 
 

Mac Jones has also looked far superior to Hurts, Lawrence is easy, Herbert, Burrow honestly a lot of QBs. 

They didn’t come after Hurts.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They didn’t come after Hurts.

I think you need to explain what you meant by " coming after Hurts"    

My guess, and it's a guess because I never know exactly where your mind because you don't like to communicate simply by stating exactly what you mean...    is that you are talking about QBs who were drafted after the Eagles selected Hurts... ie. ALL drafted after him last year,  and everyone this year?

Or I may be wrong being that Mac Jones was a higher pick even though chronologically he was selected after Hurts.

It's funny how actually explaining everything can help in a conversation before it goes off in the wrong path?  Go figure?

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Dude, they didn't install a different offense in 2017.   The playbook was the same, they called the different plays.... slightly different, nothing major... to help Foles.   Wasn't close to suggesting getting a Foles and Hurts types in there.   Was a great pickup getting Foles for the reason they could run the same stuff as compared to Chase Daniel who was limited height and arm.  

It's all good

50 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think you need to explain what you meant by " coming after Hurts"    

My guess, and it's a guess because I never know exactly where your mind because you don't like to communicate simply by stating exactly what you mean...    is that you are talking about QBs who were drafted after the Eagles selected Hurts... ie. ALL drafted after him last year,  and everyone this year?

Or I may be wrong being that Mac Jones was a higher pick even though chronologically he was selected after Hurts.

It's funny how actually explaining everything can help in a conversation before it goes off in the wrong path?  Go figure?

Yes, after we selected him who has been a better option since

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

This is obviously where you and I differ a little.    I don't really need time for Hurts, all the time in the world isn't going to improve his arm.  It just limits his game.    For me, it's a culture thing.   That's why he got the job, so we need to have everyone in the locker room understand that culture isn't going to help anyone if he can't play.  Once we move on, it's done. So there can't be any doubt or looking back..  from front office, players, coaches and the cafeteria workers.   

The other thing is that I don't want a major QB move to be made next year either.  Perfect opportunity to use the draft picks at all the other spots,  and have the cap start to flip back in our favor.    For me, Mustache would get that opportunity next year after a year of failure and offseason for Hurts to where the obvious becomes obvious even to guys like Ham.  

Build the team,clear the cap....know 100% that neither Hurts nor Mustache is the guy, and then make your moves at QB and free agency.   Any short cut is going to be Ray Rhodes / Chip Kelly again where nothing sustains.  

Yeah a bit different in that with all the picks in the first 2 rounds, this could be a good place/time to get another promising QB. But I mean PROMISING, not another Hurts. But of course you'd be relying on Howie to make the correct pick (I really like Armstrong) and you still have 4 more picks in the top 64 and if you can't rebuild alot with those,then you need to resign. We saw Last year how Howie tried to fist bump a guy and he wasn't happy with "Howie's" pick. I wish Lurie would grow a set. This is a great draft for line guys(we need) there are some CB's and LB's I would take. The failure by passing on JJ really set me off. Not every pick will be stellar,but Howie sure makes enough boo boo's to say "let someone else draft" and I hope Lurie does that. I would have NP taking Armstrong or Ridder in round 1 with my 2nd or last round 1 pick(Ridder may even go in 2). We should have 3 picks in the top10(as of now). You need to be brain dead to miss on those even though Howie manages to do so 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Stache wasn’t even dressing and Flacco was….clear defined who was two….and third.

LMAO he just GOT here,maybe give him a week to learn the playbook and get some practice reps in???? it was SO "clear" we traded Flacco LMAO

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He wasn’t dressing. It Hurts went down it had to be Flacco…because he had on actual football pads.

He just got here,QB's need time to learn the playbook. What we call the plays. it's not like  RB's who can learn stuff in a week.Please, you're smarter than this. No one expected him to board a plane and jump in the next game, probably why we haven't seen him yet(except for the 2 garbage snaps) 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes, after we selected him who has been a better option since

Hurts is a WEAK QB. I don't care if you chose him with pick 5 or pick 155. This was another "Reagor"(see MS2) pick where Howie passed on a better player. I saw ZERO mocks that had us taking Hurts- ANYWHERE. He pulls this BS ALOT, (like Jjaw) I know you are a cheerleader for both Hurts and Reagor, but sorry 2 BAD HIGH picks. Howie just trying to make news in his social circle, trying to be the smartest guy in the room. he would do better if he left his ego in his car trunk on draft day

16 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Can't blame him

No one knows if there any long term effects yet.

19 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

Can't blame him

No one knows if there any long term effects yet.

Yeah in 5 years we will see the "you may be entitled to compensation " ads lol

https://www.nfl.com/news/veteran-wide-receiver-desean-jackson-clears-waivers   I like our young guys,however as a ST'er and a mentor maybe he's worth taking back? Maybe he reunites with Wentz in Indy since Hilton is STILL out

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They didn’t come after Hurts.

It doesn’t matter lmao Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round and was a stud out the gate, Derek Carr round 2 guy came out strong hell Andy Dalton 2nd round looked better, Dak Prescott.

You want to compare rookie QBs to a 2nd yea player but don’t like to compare him to his own draft class guys with the same amount of experience 

45 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It doesn’t matter lmao Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round and was a stud out the gate, Derek Carr round 2 guy came out strong hell Andy Dalton 2nd round looked better, Dak Prescott.

You want to compare rookie QBs to a 2nd yea player but don’t like to compare him to his own draft class guys with the same amount of experience 

I’m simply stating ….what has been the option since?

FL stated there was a list of all these rookie QBs outperforming Hurts. So I asked for the list.

50 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

It doesn’t matter lmao Wilson was drafted in the 3rd round and was a stud out the gate, Derek Carr round 2 guy came out strong hell Andy Dalton 2nd round looked better, Dak Prescott.

You want to compare rookie QBs to a 2nd yea player but don’t like to compare him to his own draft class guys with the same amount of experience 

So pick those guys up instead of Hurts. Seems realistic.

Gardner Minshew was traded in August. He wasn’t even activated for any of the first six games.