28 minutes ago, stine said:

I always look at wins as an important stat for QB's. Not sure if everyone feels the same though. Herbert played in one of the toughest divisions last year and has compiled a 11-12 record to date. Not great, but OK for a 2nd year QB in that division. Hurts played in the weakest division and compiled a 4-8 record to date. Not good.

But we're counting on Hurts "leadership" here(lol)

14 minutes ago, stine said:

 TBH If I were HR, I would try and trade for White with the Jets for a 4th round pick. From What I have seen, he seems to see the field great and knows where to throw the ball. He has shown more than any QB we have on our roster to date. Gives the Eagles 3 QB's to look at next year while we build up our roster with the draft.

Josh Johnson(Jet's third stringer) looked alot better than Hurts . Ham is satisfied with mediocre and I am not. Josh almost brought them totally BACK after Indy had that game in the bag

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Herbert everybody loves has thrown for 1994 yards passing 16 TDs and 6 interceptions with 63 percent completion rate

Yea 6 tds more then Hurts so in 7 games he has as many passing tds as hurts in his career. Hurts in 8 games 15 total Tds Herbert in 7 games 17 total tds 16 passing 

63% but that is consistent it’s not an inflated 61% that is heavily based off one game in ATL where hurts threw for 77% and hasn’t been consistent since after then ATL game is is around 57% 

Again context base line stats are useless when not used in context 

BTW I feel bad for Saleh. He has really improved this team. They just don't have it together yet. Losing 2 QB's doesn't help either. Their D needs rebuilt this draft. Their O isn't as terrible as they look. They show promise and if the Jets org can ride it out,I suspect with Saleh we will see a competitive team next year as he works out the kinks. At least they have QB's who can throw the ball

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Obviously Hurts also brings the huge element of his running ability also. But hmmmm looks very comparable to me.

Could say Hurts has been better than everybodies darling.

Damn your a comedy didn’t know not even close between Hurts and Herbert and this is way looking at base stats is pointless but even still Herbert is far superior.

Herbert-16 passing tds in 7 games with a rushing TD 2075 total yards 296 avg. 

Hurts-10 passing 5 rushing in 8 games 2251 total yards  281 avg. that’s with that running ability 

But hey let’s break those numbers down further 

Herbert has passed for under 200 yards only 1 time Hurts has thrown under 200 yards 4 times 

 But wait ham loves to toss in those times Hurts throws for over 300 yards he has done it twice Herbert has 3 

Herbet 2 games under 60% Hurts has 4 

22 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hurts 1819 passing yards 10 TDs and 4 interceptions with a 61 percent completion rate

LMAO sure, completions for 4 yards, then let the players add the YAC to pad the stats(I can do that)

Anyway,Wentz looked sharp. Howie screwed the pooch(and the fans) once again with his innate ability to eff things up we did right. Ped and Wentz should still be here and Lurie should have fired Howie(but we know that has about the same odds as finding a unicorn)

https://thelibertyline.com/2021/09/29/jalen-hurts-arm-strength/  Correct,we built this team for WENTZ

https://thelibertyline.com/2021/09/29/miles-sanders-lack-of-carries/    This is a good summation of why we fail. It's the top 2 idiots in control

So apparently the coach(both Ped and Siri) are NON coaches. They are Lurie figureheads (aka puppets) and as I have said before, Lurie needs to make Howie the HC,or better yet Lurie needs to take over the HC job because I want to see the team he puts on the field. Lurie should ram his "analytics". This team has always succeeded based on the running game and now we have the deep shot WR's we lacked,yet we have a QB who cannot deliver the ball. So this team needs to be sold to someone competent(yeah right) The "analytics" tell me RUN THE BALL. Hey Jeff, just turn this team over to this board and we''ll get it done for ya 😁 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO sure, completions for 4 yards, then let the players add the YAC to pad the stats(I can do that)

Hahaha how did I get quoted on this not ham 

9 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Hahaha how did I get quoted on this not ham 

I was just backing you up that the passing stats are misleading lol 😁

IDK Stine is on to something. I like his idea about trading for White. I would even trade for Johnson. Both looked competent and capable of hitting their targets unlike Hurts. Maybe Minshew works. Joe says we need more failure HAHAHA. I think that's a no brainer if we keep things as they are. The problem still is, Lurie doesn't see where the problem is. It's with HIMSELF and his sidekick and their BS "analyitcs". The analysis on this board is WAY better than any analytics they have on computer screens

So here's the plan as I see it. We will squander all our round 1 WR picks because we will wait forever to get a competent QB. Then after we lose them in FA because they want to play elsewhere,,we will find our next franchise QB and he will play with no weapons. Rinse and repeat LOL 🙄

2 hours ago, stine said:

 TBH If I were HR, I would try and trade for White with the Jets for a 4th round pick. From What I have seen, he seems to see the field great and knows where to throw the ball. He has shown more than any QB we have on our roster to date. Gives the Eagles 3 QB's to look at next year while we build up our roster with the draft.

One game….not enough to judge anything on.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

RPO is RPO, you can only "advance" that so much and we're seeing what an "advanced" college offense looks like at the pro level(it stinks)

Good, because he stinks lol

Where are we seeing this? Surely you aren’t suggesting that’s what Siri has been running bahahaha

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Derek Carr could easily be dealt and Wilson is likely in the mix as well… sooo yes they are realistic options.

But not even the point they are guys that produced as later round picks…. You love to keep changing your narrative on hurts… on tell me rookie QBs that produced better then Hurts… ok Burrow and Herbert in his same class, Mac Jones has played better, Lance in limited action has looked better with way more promise, Lawrence on a way worst team.

Jalen Hurts has not been impressive at all this season just watching the games not sure how you don’t see it but hey he is great at padding stats 

I don’t think any of these rookies have impressed me at all. But it wasn’t my thoughts. It was FL that was convinced all these rookies are outproducing Hurts. I don’t see any of them doing it.

I’m trying to act like that’s a high bar at all . Just doesn’t seem right to go that far overboard because people have an agenda against Hurts. This offense has been terrible. But Hurts has been better than all these rookies. Just setting the record straight.

32 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Where are we seeing this? Surely you aren’t suggesting that’s what Siri has been running bahahaha

Sure it is. We need play action, not an RPO college  offense. it failed with Chip and it's failing now,especially with an indecisive QB

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m trying to act like that’s a high bar at all . Just doesn’t seem right to go that far overboard because people have an agenda against Hurts. This offense has been terrible. But Hurts has been better than all these rookies. Just setting the record straight.

If the offense is terrible,it's because the QB can'y play lmao. We have the WR's in place. We have the RB's in place. The O line is adequate,but they cant hold out for 6 seconds it takes the QB to make a bad decision. We saw what the running game can do, albeit it against a bad team. Still, we were impressive running and taking the game AWAY from Hurts. Letting Hurts control the game is cause for more losses. I'm sorry you can't see this. We ran against the Falcons,we ran against the Lions. The losses were because Siri trusted Hurts to run the game plan(which doesn't include running the ball) and he is a failure.

31 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

One game….not enough to judge anything on.

I saw competence. I don't need a million games to see it. Their third string QB nearly brought them back. He is better than Hurts

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The point being: bit17h about Hurts….what does that do? What was your alternative at QB? Sam Darnold, Tyrod Taylor or any of this draft class. Options weren’t good. I’ve been fine running with Hurts instead of all those bad options to overpay for.

The options were not to draft him in the first place... get a backup that was more NFL suitable, not the gimmick college type QB with the weak arm.  

But if we are looking at any other QB drafted after him, I'm ok passing on them at the moment.   Take care of other stuff first, and set the next QB up like AZ, Dallas, Tampa , KC , etc. Where failure will be difficult. 

3 hours ago, stine said:

  Actually I do not think it matters either way Joe. Wentz will play no matter how many wins they have as long as he is healthy. We have already seen what happens if you bench him. I do not think Indy wants a relapse, so they will let him grow all season, even if they are out of the play-offs. They need Wentz to continue to improve for the following seasons. Benching him will not help. No, I think he plays no matter what, unless he gets injured.... We are worrying about nothing here.

Stine... the situation in Indy is not the same as it was here.   I don't get why people don't see how F#$ked up 2020 was from every standpoint imaginable.

Wentz is playing well this year, they wouldn't be benching him due to performance or media pressure etc.   Simply saving the pick and his health, it's meaningless football anyway if they are out of the playoff race... remember here, they were never technically out of the race, and there wasn't a pick to save... so he wanted to play.    I don't think there is much to convince him that he can come back next year with a 1st round pick and be completely healthy.   It's just different when your team is out of contention when you are a competitor.  

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts 1819 passing yards 10 TDs and 4 interceptions with a 61 percent completion rate

How many points does his team put up... when it counts, that's the stat that matters.  

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Obviously Hurts also brings the huge element of his running ability also. But hmmmm looks very comparable to me.

Could say Hurts has been better than everybodies darling.

You would be the only one saying that... nobody else would.