1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

Murray didn't play

Colt McCoy 22 of 26  249 yds ans a TD

And put up 31 points vs SF.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

You mean AZ was in that position…. joe your pint was wrong that simple… AZ had nothing when they drafted Murray and they just invest a 1st on a QB the year before were a bottom feeder team.  And if I recall correctly they weren’t in great cap situation when they drafted Murray either after the win now pushes with Arians. 

Again...  not arguing we can do it both ways.  I just don't see our front office doing it successfully AFTER getting the QB.  I want some more in place first.   My preference for THIS team.    We are not in same position as AZ was and don't have the same decision makers. 

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Because you know what this front office is going to do.    They will invest the whole thing in a QB and think that's it.   

Again,  just looking at it from Eagles fan perspective, I have zero faith in them doing it via QB first.   And at this point, you brought up great points in the question of trusting the current coaching in development of the rookie high draft pick.  Just would feel better getting the other stuff first, while seeing 2 seasons of Siri. 

Soooo a team that has what 3 first and looking like two top 10 picks is going to trade it all for the QB… Hell Miami could be top 3 easy.

Idk don’t see Philly trading it all for a QB 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Again...  not arguing we can do it both ways.  I just don't see our front office doing it successfully AFTER getting the QB.  I want some more in place first.   My preference for THIS team.    We are not in same position as AZ was and don't have the same decision makers. 

We are in the same position as AZ they had a crap roster and crap cap situation tell me how are we different????

You can say you don’t trust the decision makers but that is completely different then the teams starting points. 

The Eagles use 2 high picks for a QB next year..   anyone on here think they then invest in a top veteran WR any time soon?   Anyone?   I do not.   I prefer the team being built first.. especially after absolutely STELLAR point by BG not trusting the current coaching staff yet... brilliant point 

And all you college fans don't seem to think this is a good year for drafting QBs.   That's 3 reasons I prefer not to do it.  

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Soooo a team that has what 3 first and looking like two top 10 picks is going to trade it all for the QB… Hell Miami could be top 3 easy.

Idk don’t see Philly trading it all for a QB 

Good... I hope not.    But I also think they will absolutely have to use more than the Miami pick for a QB.  I'd prefer not to do that. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Again...  not arguing we can do it both ways.  I just don't see our front office doing it successfully AFTER getting the QB.  I want some more in place first.   My preference for THIS team.    We are not in same position as AZ was and don't have the same decision makers. 

If you don’t trust the decision makers then you should not trust them to build the team either so your damned if you do and damned if you don’t…

In all honesty I trust this FO 1000000% more to scout and find a QB then I do trusting them to draft any other position on this team.

Have you seen our track record on the DL terrible, WR terrible, CB terrible, LB(dont draft really)… OL solid but not even a super pressing area either for us 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

anyone on here think they then invest in a top veteran WR any time soon? 

And AZ with there like 1m in cap space didn’t turn it around in a year…. eagles don’t have some 20m in cap and some like 60+ in 2022 and who knows in 2023 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

If you don’t trust the decision makers then you should not trust them to build the team either so your damned if you do and damned if you don’t…

In all honesty I trust this FO 1000000% more to scout and find a QB then I do trusting them to draft any other position on this team.

 

Correct... it's why I want to see them do what I trust less for them to do first.     So they do not " WENTZ" the next QB.

AZ had the 1st pick...they didn't have to trade up.... we will have to.  Because as you know QBs always get overvalued in the draft and will shoot up.   Miami ,while I think they are a bad team... I think Detroit , Houston will finish worse.  Both teams I think have good shot at going QB.   Now will the Eagles have to give up say.. pick 5 and pick 10?  Probably not, but pick 5, a 2nd rounder and another pick.  Sure.   Would I prefer to use those picks for other positions ... yes.  

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Miami ,while I think they are a bad team... I think Detroit , Houston will finish worse

You think mmmmm and if they don’t then what your whole logic is broken.

Firs it’s do it the AZ way which was QB first… Can they get a WR the following year… Yes we would be in a situation to do so be much better off the AZ was when they went for Dhop….. Could we get a WR and still hold a pick in every round yes….

Basically this Eagles team would be set up to build the team almost exactly like AZ honestly be in. Better situation 

2 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

You think mmmmm and if they don’t then what your whole logic is broken.

Firs it’s do it the AZ way which was QB first… Can they get a WR the following year… Yes we would be in a situation to do so be much better off the AZ was when they went for Dhop….. Could we get a WR and still hold a pick in every round yes….

Basically this Eagles team would be set up to build the team almost exactly like AZ honestly be in. Better situation 

When was Murray drafted...  when did AZ spend the big $$ on free agent LB Jordan Hicks?    Were they both in 2019?   

And again... you keep missing my point.   I agree it can be done both ways..  was that the 3rd or 4th time I said that now?     But I prefer at this current time with this current regime... to get the other stuff first...  because you keep making my argument. 

1. They have poor history of drafting the help as compared to the QB.

2.  The current coaching regime,  not proven yet.

That's enough... without bringing up if the current QB class is good, without bringing up the little support McNabb and Wentz had...etc.     AZ bought Hopkins, the Eagles don't have that history of doing so.   

If you had a talent for finding one piece of a puzzle..  wouldn't you prefer everything else in place first,knowing that if you are successful in your part, the puzzle is done. 

Or do you want another McNabb/ Wentz... let's watch a good QB play with mediocrity and struggle.  I've been there, don't need to see it again. 

Yeah... I will be surprised if Miami finishes lower than 5.   

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

  And if I recall correctly they weren’t in great cap situation when they drafted Murray either after the win now pushes with Arians. 

Quick search.... AZ had $36, 469,498 of cap space going into 2019 free agency

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

GB,  you gotta look past Hurts.  He is irrelevant.   The idea is building a winner.   We know he isn't the guy, who cares.  The decision is do you rush to invest into a QB this offseaon with a coach you are still unsure of?  Or do you build the other spots and just give Mustache the job?   I don't care the level of " not championship QB" any current QB we have is.  It's irrelevant.  The decision is when to make the big move. 

Which pick was Murray?

I'm tired of this team being irrelevant. McCoy looked great today(so did Brissett, White and Johnson-all BU's). We should be a .500 club RIGHT NOW with higher goals. Not 3 wins striving for .500 again

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Quick search.... AZ had $36, 469,498 of cap space going into 2019 free agency

10 teams had more cap space than AZ going into the year they drafted Murray... 21 teams had less space.  I don't think the Eagles are there at the moment. 

Much different situation, when you have the #1 pick plus the cap space.    We have neither.    Let's draft other spots, then we can go after the QB and sign some free agents in 2023.   

42 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

The Eagles use 2 high picks for a QB next year..   anyone on here think they then invest in a top veteran WR any time soon?   Anyone?   I do not.   I prefer the team being built first.. especially after absolutely STELLAR point by BG not trusting the current coaching staff yet... brilliant point 

And all you college fans don't seem to think this is a good year for drafting QBs.   That's 3 reasons I prefer not to do it.  

Don't need veteran WR's. In fact I don't want any. We finally have a WR pipeline going,why eff that up too??? Draft a WR every year and let them battle for roster spots,that's how you keep things going and keep the best players

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm tired of this team being irrelevant. McCoy looked great today(so did Brissett, White and Johnson-all BU's). We should be a .500 club RIGHT NOW with higher goals. Not 3 wins striving for .500 again

We've been Bronze medal for how long.   The view doesn't change when you get to 2nd place,  you are still looking at somebody's @ss.   Mediocrity is still irrelevant.  Taking short cuts will keep you there longer. 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Don't need veteran WR's. In fact I don't want any. We finally have a WR pipeline going,why eff that up too??? Draft a WR every year and let them battle for roster spots,that's how you keep things going and keep the best players

Still need a #1... eventually.  But it's more than WR.  This team needs a lot of help on the other side of the ball.

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We've been Bronze medal for how long.   The view doesn't change when you get to 2nd place,  you are still looking at somebody's @ss.   Mediocrity is still irrelevant.  Taking short cuts will keep you there longer. 

I'm ok with the WR's we have.I'm fine with the RB's we have(I would like to add a rookie basher). We can shore up the lines and defense this draft. There is only 1 piece missing IMO and that is a QB. We need to see these guys play,guys like Dickerson who was drafted as a C. Let him take some snaps THERE. Unlike today there is usually plenty of garbage time, why aren't we letting these guys get some real game snaps in???? Makes zero sense to me. Why did you draft these people???? They need to "apprentice".The only way you do that is by DOING IT,not watching others

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm ok with the WR's we have.I'm fine with the RB's we have(I would like to add a rookie basher). We can shore up the lines and defense this draft. There is only 1 piece missing IMO and that is a QB. We need to see these guys play,guys like Dickerson who was drafted as a C. Let him take some snaps THERE. Unlike today there is usually plenty of garbage time, why aren't we letting these guys get some real game snaps in???? Makes zero sense to me. Why did you draft these people???? They need top "apprentice".The only way you do that is by DOING IT,not watching others

Dude... you watch this defense and you think there is only one piece missing????      Do they have places down there that sell glasses?   

Reagor seems like a slow learner.He seems replaceable to me. Of course it's hard to know with the QB we have. I like Metchie for us in round 2, if we think he would be better. We don't need to overdo spending in FA, we need the correct draft picks. I think Howie got Siri only because he worked with Reich and that was a huge loss for us. I'm tired of Howie's BS and he has Lurie snowed under too

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Dude... you watch this defense and you think there is only one piece missing????      Do they have places down there that sell glasses?   

I SAID we can shore that up THIS draft,if you put your glasses on

Not really alot we need on the O side SKILL POSITIONS except a QB. SO if you want these young WR's to get chemistry,you need your QB in place. The longer you wait, the longer you stunt their development. Nice job today by Smith. Pity we can't rely on this production weekly 

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Reagor seems like a slow learner.He seems replaceable to me. Of course it's hard to know with the QB we have. I like Metchie for us in round 2, if we think he would be better. We don't need to overdo spending in FA, we need the correct draft picks. I think Howie got Siri only because he worked with Reich and that was a huge loss for us. I'm tired of Howie's BS and he has Lurie snowed under too

I SAID we can shore that up THIS draft,if you put your glasses on

We got plenty of holes.... rookies do not " sure up " anything.  The draft picks are attempts to do so... far from sure thing.     We are not a good football team. We are not one good draft from then only being a QB away.   

It's a process that is going to need to be done over time and correctly.   We are going to lose more pieces, the older pieces that are also going to need to be replaced. 

Our DL... 2 years from now, do you see any guaranteed plus players ok this roster?    Sweat and some rookies will be under contract,  none to me are standouts.  We have holes... plenty.   You need to be more realistic of what it's going to take to be a good team. 

IDK,nothing we say matters on here. Lurie and Howie run the show. It's just sad that we could do better. 2 wrongs don't make a right

GB...you honestly look at 32 teams around the league....where would you rank our WRs in comparison? 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

We got plenty of holes.... rookies do not " sure up " anything.  The draft picks are attempts to do so... far from sure thing.     We are not a good football team. We are not one good draft from then only being a QB away.   

It's a process that is going to need to be done over time and correctly.   We are going to lose more pieces, the older pieces that are also going to need to be replaced. 

Our DL... 2 years from now, do you see any guaranteed plus players ok this roster?    Sweat and some rookies will be under contract,  none to me are standouts.  We have holes... plenty.   You need to be more realistic of what it's going to take to be a good team. 

Sure it's a process. Losing Wentz was a step BACKWARDS. The PROCESS has gone backwards since 2017. if we can't shore up some holes with 5 of the top 64 picks, then Lurie should sell the team because we will be rebuilding like the Browns for the next 35 years(I lived it and am seeing it again) 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

GB...you honestly look at 32 teams around the league....where would you rank our WRs in comparison? 

IDK we don;t have a QB lol-no way to know

24 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure it's a process. Losing Wentz was a step BACKWARDS. The PROCESS has gone backwards since 2017. if we can't shore up some holes with 5 of the top 64 picks, then Lurie should sell the team because we will be rebuilding like the Browns for the next 35 years(I lived it and am seeing it again) 

IDK we don;t have a QB lol-no way to know

And how many times did the Browns invest in the wrong QB?  Build that team up. Long way to go.