4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In his presser, Siri explained, that Smith and Watkins were on crossers. But Watkins didn’t run it properly. Let Bradbury flatten out the route. So the initial check was Goedert. The way they played things that read was squashed. Bradbury was allowed to squeeze out Smith’s route. So we are down to read three….maybe four going to Reagor. So these fools that don’t watch and think Hurts only is a one read QB aren’t paying attention. You can question the playcall. But those two WR crossing was not executed. So Hurts made it happen….except Reagor dropped it.

   Check on the pressers sometimes. They occasionally fill you in on a specific play….or let you in on that the QB audibles us out of a bad call. Good to know the full dynamics going on as much as possible. We’ll never know everything. Would just hope we are more educated than just pointing at one guy for everybodies mistakes.

I think you are focused on a specific play, when everyone else is focused on the entire brutal game played by the QB. 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The ball he jumped way up in the air to drop? That underthrown ball. So underthrown it was really high type thing?

No.. the underthrown ball that was INT.  Because he can't throw more than 50 yards in the air with a full wind up.     You may want to know this... there was about 3 hours of action prior to the last drive that you want to keep focusing on.  

13 minutes ago, stine said:

Joe, I was just comparing targets to the best 2 options vs the others. Big difference and that is a problem. Hurts completed less than 50% of his passes. Another huge issue. Yes there were drops, but there are drops every game. 3 INTs in 31 attempts? Either his decision making is poor or his pre snap reads or the plays called or maybe a little of all.... Anyway, Giants were a team the Eagles should have beaten. Jets are better than the Giants IMO. We could be looking at 3 losses in a row here....

There were some drops, bad throws and plays made by the Giants. The first interception: what happened there? The DB mugged Watkins…..then outran him to the spot. Not really blaming Hurts there. It looked really weird and bizarre. Second interception: let’s just admit doesn’t happen. Hurts drilled Ward for a TD on the rollout. Ward dropped it. Then this pressureplay happens. Hurts gets caught forcing. Hurts didn’t have a good day. Our receivers had a worse day. Siri’s playbook was a bit exposed by our division rival that’s been paying plenty of attention. Their D personnel is effective against us. Bradbury was on Smith and Goedert creating problems. McKinney did some spying and is versatile enough to be that SS/LB hybrid for them. Ojulari is athletic enough to not just be run right around on the edge.

28 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In his presser, Siri explained, that Smith and Watkins were on crossers. But Watkins didn’t run it properly. Let Bradbury flatten out the route. So the initial check was Goedert. The way they played things that read was squashed. Bradbury was allowed to squeeze out Smith’s route. So we are down to read three….maybe four going to Reagor. So these fools that don’t watch and think Hurts only is a one read QB aren’t paying attention. You can question the playcall. But those two WR crossing was not executed. So Hurts made it happen….except Reagor dropped it.

   Check on the pressers sometimes. They occasionally fill you in on a specific play….or let you in on that the QB audibles us out of a bad call. Good to know the full dynamics going on as much as possible. We’ll never know everything. Would just hope we are more educated than just pointing at one guy for everybodies mistakes.

That is if you believe the BS coming from Siri's mouth.... I do not. You do...

14 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

There were some drops, bad throws and plays made by the Giants. The first interception: what happened there? The DB mugged Watkins…..then outran him to the spot. Not really blaming Hurts there. It looked really weird and bizarre. Second interception: let’s just admit doesn’t happen. Hurts drilled Ward for a TD on the rollout. Ward dropped it. Then this pressureplay happens. Hurts gets caught forcing. Hurts didn’t have a good day. Our receivers had a worse day. Siri’s playbook was a bit exposed by our division rival that’s been paying plenty of attention. Their D personnel is effective against us. Bradbury was on Smith and Goedert creating problems. McKinney did some spying and is versatile enough to be that SS/LB hybrid for them. Ojulari is athletic enough to not just be run right around on the edge.

The first INT looked like the target was the defender... brutal read, probably the worst pure INT as far as throw is concerned.    The second one was " hero ball"   the 3rd one was the weak arm.    I don't need the QB to be perfect... but when you bring up plays like Ward, that more so defends the coach than the QB, because the play calling was there for a TD, that is what the coach is supposed to do, the players need to execute.   I don't think the Giants figured anything out like you make it seem, the thing that stood out was that they hit Hurts at the mesh point after he handed the ball off, I think that happens more now.  

The other take, and I think people need to realize this.... Goedert and Smith are nice players, good players, solid players...   but not at the level to where they should have been " shut down" or " figured out"  as you keep saying.   Its 2021 rules, I don't see Revis, Sanders or Green out there at CB either.    I think the team is set up nicely offensively going forward... add a couple young OL, the primary target, and a NFL level arm QB and we should be good in a few years.  " . 

21 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

There were some drops, bad throws and plays made by the Giants. The first interception: what happened there? The DB mugged Watkins…..then outran him to the spot. Not really blaming Hurts there. It looked really weird and bizarre. Second interception: let’s just admit doesn’t happen. Hurts drilled Ward for a TD on the rollout. Ward dropped it. Then this pressureplay happens. Hurts gets caught forcing. Hurts didn’t have a good day. Our receivers had a worse day. Siri’s playbook was a bit exposed by our division rival that’s been paying plenty of attention. Their D personnel is effective against us. Bradbury was on Smith and Goedert creating problems. McKinney did some spying and is versatile enough to be that SS/LB hybrid for them. Ojulari is athletic enough to not just be run right around on the edge.

The Giants D is terrible! You keep believing Siri's Pressers..... They had 4th string CB's playing. No excuse and No effing way Hurts threw to a 3rd or 4th read! His eyes tell you that! Unreal the BS you are hearing from Siri.....

19 minutes ago, stine said:

The Giants D is terrible! You keep believing Siri's Pressers..... They had 4th string CB's playing. No excuse and No effing way Hurts threw to a 3rd or 4th read! His eyes tell you that! Unreal the BS you are hearing from Siri.....

Oh I absolutely believe Hurts threw to 2nd, 3rd and maybe 4th reads yesterday.... you can tell when the timing is off that it is NOT the #1 target... this is where he gets in trouble due to lack of arm strength, gives the D time to cover the ground the longer he holds it, especially on anything deep.    But that said... on the last throw to Reagor... the exact one throw... one out of 30 or whatever attempts.... Hurts made the throw.  He made that one throw, you can't take that away from him. 

26 minutes ago, stine said:

That is if you believe the BS coming from Siri's mouth.... I do not. You do...

If you believe anything that comes out of a coaches presser you probably also believe everything that comes out of a Washington DC presser

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In his presser, Siri explained, that Smith and Watkins were on crossers. But Watkins didn’t run it properly. Let Bradbury flatten out the route. So the initial check was Goedert. The way they played things that read was squashed. Bradbury was allowed to squeeze out Smith’s route. So we are down to read three….maybe four going to Reagor. So these fools that don’t watch and think Hurts only is a one read QB aren’t paying attention. You can question the playcall. But those two WR crossing was not executed. So Hurts made it happen….except Reagor dropped it.

   Check on the pressers sometimes. They occasionally fill you in on a specific play….or let you in on that the QB audibles us out of a bad call. Good to know the full dynamics going on as much as possible. We’ll never know everything. Would just hope we are more educated than just pointing at one guy for everybodies mistakes.

How does Siri explaining the route tree on that play tell me Hurts looked at them all????(It doesn't) That's fallacy. We know the receivers run routes,and make errors sometimes,but that does't tell me what the QB looked at

1 hour ago, stine said:

The Giants D is terrible! You keep believing Siri's Pressers..... They had 4th string CB's playing. No excuse and No effing way Hurts threw to a 3rd or 4th read! His eyes tell you that! Unreal the BS you are hearing from Siri.....

Ham is Hurts agent

We're a bad team, who lost to a worse team because we out inepted them

Eagles preparing Minshew in case Hurts can’t go vs the Jets 

11 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Eagles preparing Minshew in case Hurts can’t go vs the Jets 

Is he practicing putting hte ball in the RB's belly, or is it an NFL type offense?   That is the $1,289 question.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Oh I absolutely believe Hurts threw to 2nd, 3rd and maybe 4th reads yesterday.... you can tell when the timing is off that it is NOT the #1 target... this is where he gets in trouble due to lack of arm strength, gives the D time to cover the ground the longer he holds it, especially on anything deep.    But that said... on the last throw to Reagor... the exact one throw... one out of 30 or whatever attempts.... Hurts made the throw.  He made that one throw, you can't take that away from him. 

  Well Joe, I need to see the game again. From what I remember, he did not look off his first read almost every throw. The only times he did was when he rolled out. Not sure how many that translated to though.

 

 

1 minute ago, stine said:

  Well Joe, I need to see the game again. From what I remember, he did not look off his first read almost every throw. The only times he did was when he rolled out. Not sure how many that translated to though.

 

 

Stine, do yourself a favor, don't watch the game again.   This particular point is moot ... the QB made bad throws, with his weak arm, the rest really ultimately doesn't matter.  and I don't think anything was "Every" throw ... he threw 30 plus times... Reagor had 7 targets... the long bomb... lol with me even say he threw long , but that play for sure he stared down Reagor, the other 6, I absolutely believe Reagor was not the primary target on all 6.   Especially the last one.    But IDK what Ham is trying to say here, it's like giving him credit for tying his shoes?    That's basic QB stuff.  

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Is he practicing putting hte ball in the RB's belly, or is it an NFL type offense?   That is the $1,289 question.

Said the offense will be what we run so not much will change look wise the difference would be Minshews decisions if he played he clearly isn’t the runner Hurts is so I’d image we would see more passes out of the rpo. 
 

Makes me think of something reminiscent of Foles running the RPO 

1 hour ago, stine said:

The Giants D is terrible! You keep believing Siri's Pressers..... They had 4th string CB's playing. No excuse and No effing way Hurts threw to a 3rd or 4th read! His eyes tell you that! Unreal the BS you are hearing from Siri.....

Not what I’m seeing. Just not buying the one read and run Hurts narrative. See him really working on keeping his eyes downfield as an option first when he slides or scrambled around the pocket. Sometimes he’s sees something, like man coverage with the DBs backs will be turned and decides he’s got a clear opening to run. Good quick decisions on some of these. We have a massive combo of young and new everywhere here. Coaches, WR, TE, QB, Rb….it’s a work in progress. Giants kind of had us on some tendencies. Still ran all over them. D couldn’t ever get quick stops. They just let everybody drive on them. Kind of worked out by not surrendering a ton of points in this one though. Not great for the O. It was sloppy. Ward drops his easy TD. Goedert didn’t really show up. Howard out. Sanders gets hurt. Herbig comes in negating two huge plays. TD off the board right there. Reagor not tracking two balls at the end for TDs. Hurts missing a few throws badly. Just everybody screwing up enough. That’s the NFL line. This team just isn’t talented enough to be undisciplined. Need to make a play also. Maddox had a strong game. But he should have that interception. Dline I need to see more on. Seemed like they just have a few splash plays. LBs are physical and intimidating! They might be a step slow….but they bring a mentality to the whole D. S are so hard to judge. What’s going on there. Have McLeod mostly back behind out of most everything I guess. Harris had two struggles covering the slot WR. Possible deliberate setup matchup by Kitchens. Obviously a factor the more we can play Man. Which…. we look pretty decent in. Nelson is the guy they target. But he’s holding his own with that. Kind of give one up but then stop one kind of guy. Done well not giving up the big plays. But just giving up too much space underneath in exchange. LBs just aren’t going to cover that kind of ground. Harris either. So it’s been a theme we’ll give you plenty of room to get out the quick pass once the outside guys clear us out. Hurts our pass rush. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Oh I absolutely believe Hurts threw to 2nd, 3rd and maybe 4th reads yesterday.... you can tell when the timing is off that it is NOT the #1 target... this is where he gets in trouble due to lack of arm strength, gives the D time to cover the ground the longer he holds it, especially on anything deep.    But that said... on the last throw to Reagor... the exact one throw... one out of 30 or whatever attempts.... Hurts made the throw.  He made that one throw, you can't take that away from him. 

That he’s clutch….even when having a bad day.

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

If you believe anything that comes out of a coaches presser you probably also believe everything that comes out of a Washington DC presser

Weren’t supposed to talk about those photos

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ham is Hurts agent

I was thinking Hurts smarter brother

35 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 Giants kind of had us on some tendencies. Still ran all over them. D couldn’t ever get quick stops. They just let everybody drive on them. 

The Giants ran 58 plays ... we ran 64 total play  ...
The Giants had 264 yards of offense.

3 out of the last 4 drives, the Giants went 3 and out.      

The Giants scored 13 points.      

But nothing is the QB's fault?   The bar is really set low.  

 

On 11/19/2021 at 4:57 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

How you like Mac over Hurts is beyond me. Hurts is a much better player.

On permanent record here .... as being " called"   

59 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That he’s clutch….even when having a bad day.

Lmao 🤣 again should not have been been in the game if not for how terrible the Giants offense was. 

It’s such a collaborative effort. We need Siri, Steichen, Hurts and pass catchers to adapt and be on the same page. I always assume at the NFL level everything is a check. If the defender plays it like this….we’ll do that. If the defense is a heavy blitz read then break off like this. Got a great chance to get Hurts, Goedert, Smith.and others on some next level chemistry and communication. Gotta get it there. How does this route fair in this defensive scheme? Like a Cover two zone situation. That’s up to the coach. Get across his intentions in all situations. Gotta run the picks and crossers correctly. That’s just how far back we are starting with these guys unfortunately. This is all fixable at least.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao 🤣 again should not have been been in the game if not for how terrible the Giants offense was. 

Team game. These are always all factors. Defense didn’t play that well in my opinion though. Let them hold on to the ball so much.

Feel like we can point fingers at pretty much everybody for this loss.