4 minutes ago, stine said:

   Your mind is made up on Hurts. I get that. But not everyone else's mind is. So we need to see more to help make everyone's mind at ease....

Again doesn’t have anything to do with my mind being at ease or my opinion on Hurts…. The point I’m making is it’s more valuable to see Siri and this offense with a new QB vs seeing an injured Jalen Hurts play. 
 

It’s a pretty telling statement if this team is all around worse with Minshew in ground game is less dynamic with a passing game that is still lack luster… that is a massive boost in Hurts favor. 
 

And as instated it also telling if on the flip side the passing attack takes massive strides with Minshew in. 
 

If the passing attack is working with Minshew why isn’t it with Hurts???, if the passing game struggles still maybe it’s Siri offense…. To me it’s all about gathering the most information for the offense to make informed decision 

IT matters if you want to trade up. Of course if you are not in the QB market then it does not matter

 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Again doesn’t have anything to do with my mind being at ease or my opinion on Hurts…. The point I’m making is it’s more valuable to see Siri and this offense with a new QB vs seeing an injured Jalen Hurts play. 
 

It’s a pretty telling statement if this team is all around worse with Minshew in ground game is less dynamic with a passing game that is still lack luster… that is a massive boost in Hurts favor. 
 

And as instated it also telling if on the flip side the passing attack takes massive strides with Minshew in. 
 

If the passing attack is working with Minshew why isn’t it with Hurts???, if the passing game struggles still maybe it’s Siri offense…. To me it’s all about gathering the most information for the offense to make informed decision 

  You can get this info week 17 also. Let this play out and keep the QB controversy out of the picture...

52 minutes ago, stine said:

  For me, I do not want Minshew to play. First, if he does well then we all have the town talking about him playing the rest of the year and we are no further grading Hurts as a Future QB. Second, if Minshew plays well then we win a few more games just missing the play-offs. Our draft pick drops down 5-6 spots. lastly and probably most important is we end up using all of our first round picks on a questionable QB in the 2022 draft instead of building up the defense for the future.

  All of the grading on Siri can happen next year when we have a decent team. If he cannot do the job we can get rid of him and hire someone that knows how to coach instead of (Rock, Paper, Scissors)

"decent" team depends on Howie. We'll probably go heavy on defense,so what piece of the offense does everyone need to see???. We have RB's decent ones.we have receivers,decent ones maybe a future stud. I want to replace Reagor with another possible future stud. other than that how much more can you give Hurts to work with????? IDK I see plenty of offensive talent being wasted trying to "cater" to a college QB who can't grow into a man in the NFL. Get me Wilson in the draft ,and a real NFL QB and I see zero reason we can't put up 30 points a game. I've seen enough of Hurts to know he is a BU and he's not that good at that either. This was another STUPID moronic move from Howie,yet some are trying to smash down the carpet where Howie stashes his failures. It's not that hard,this team is NOT terrible on offense, but no army works well with a lamebrain general(Howie) commanding an underachieving captain(siri) with a sergeant who can't train his men(Hurts). Even against top defense we should be putting 21 on the board EVERY WEEK with no excuses. The talent is there

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

"decent" team depends on Howie. We'll probably go heavy on defense, 

What in Howies past gives you that idea?

8 minutes ago, stine said:

  You can get this info week 17 also. Let this play out and keep the QB controversy out of the picture...

If we are that worried about a QB controversy that’s a problem to begin with…. Also not banking on Dallas game for any information they are likely to have the division locked up by then playing backups 

54 minutes ago, stine said:

  For me, I do not want Minshew to play. First, if he does well then we all have the town talking about him playing the rest of the year and we are no further grading Hurts as a Future QB. Second, if Minshew plays well then we win a few more games just missing the play-offs. Our draft pick drops down 5-6 spots. lastly and probably most important is we end up using all of our first round picks on a questionable QB in the 2022 draft instead of building up the defense for the future.

  All of the grading on Siri can happen next year when we have a decent team. If he cannot do the job we can get rid of him and hire someone that knows how to coach instead of (Rock, Paper, Scissors)

I do, because I want to see what a pro QB looks like with the offensive tools we have. We're not gonna see that with Hurts college gimmick QB'ing. Are the WR's as good as we think? or are they not? Can the RB's sustain  drive so we can eat up the clock when we have a nice lead?? We don;t know. Are the RB's any good??? We get glimpses but nothing sustained. Minshew is used to a suck line ours is better than what he had in jax and our WR's are as good as what he had. So lets see what he's got. I see nothing wrong with finding out who the hell is on your team and what they are capable of and why we are paying BU salary. I need to know if Minshew is the BU going forward and I'm not going to find that out with him riding pine

38 minutes ago, stine said:

  Washington is better than us. Good chance they sweep us. Dallas may need to win so I put faith in winning more than 2 games very unlikely with Hurts as QB...

IDK don't blow off the Jets just yet,they have improved quite a bit as the season has gone on. Not to mention QB' changes and they found 2 pretty nice RB's that could give us problems.I think we are evenly matched,so I expect a close game. The Jets will make you pay for picks unlike the Gnats(Nads-GO NADS!!!!) If we lose the turnover battle we will lose this game also

38 minutes ago, stine said:

Allot depends on this wee BG. Jets win and we most likely only win 2 more. We win and we will most likely win 3 more. Possibly 4 if Dallas sits player....

Don't see this. They hate us. They don't want to win,they want to bury us. They may pull starters in the 4th when they have a 28 point lead

39 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Washington is an inconsistent team with a meh QB and lost there best defensive player… I do think they are better then us but not like they are runaway better. 
 

As for Dallas I stated I could depend on what happens hence the if they locked up the division statement. 

Heinke(sp) is underrated. He looks alot like Minshew when he plays(lol) he looked sharp and accurate unlike the "runaround Sue" QB we have

59 minutes ago, stine said:

If Hurts only asset is running we already have our answer!

I've known the answer since week 4

26 minutes ago, stine said:

  You can get this info week 17 also. Let this play out and keep the QB controversy out of the picture...

IMO I want the controversy because I want to know who the best QB for this team is NOW. Minshew understands he was drafted as a BU. But Hurts was also drafted as a BU. SO, lets find out who our BU is going forward when we take a real QB. I would be fine if Minshew is better, taking a nice project QB such as McCall from Coastal Carolina with maybe a 4th pick. Boatload of potential there(I will say as much as mac Jones with a better arm),So taking a high QB may not be ideal. Find out which of our BU QB's will lead the team next year. Maybe even McCall does,then in the '23 draft we can get our franchise guy. 

BTW go watch some film on McCall. I think you will be pleasantly surprised. Small school,not saying he can start next year,but he has the tools if we want to bring him along. So I will ask again WHAT tool on offense does Hurts NOT have????? WHO do we need to get for you to see? I think we're seeing the best Hurts we will ever see and for me that's not good enough

32 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

What in Howies past gives you that idea?

Even Howie gets lucky sometimes. I would rather not trust it to luck.He did fine with Smith. He sucked with Reagor. hit and miss with him and why I always say we need a "football guy" GM that removes alot of "luck" from the equation. Colts were smart,they built that team for Luck(no pun intended). When he up and QUIT,they made due with Brissett(A running QB similar to Hurts). When they saw the eff up in Philly,their dreams were answered. They had most of the team ready for Wentz because it was already built for Luck,so that move was a NO BRAINER. Plug and play. Brisset is no longer a Colt, same situation we have. He is BU now and Hurts should be one elsewhere also if Minshew is better

"The Eagles’ starting quarterback was really bad in this game. The framing that "he had them in a position to win” doesn’t really tell the whole story. He was incredibly fortunate that the Giants scored zero points (seems impossible) directly off of Philly’s four turnovers, three of which were Hurts interceptions. Not to mention Hurts had a pick dropped on the final drive.”

Thats a telling stat line Giants scored ZERO points off our turnovers 

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Howie took the guy's job by drafting Hurts and pissing Wentz off. Get your facts straight. We had a franchise QB here(with no team around him) and Howie pissed him off by drafting this fool,instead of getting Wentz a  player to help him or even get a defensive piece. So let's not kid ourselves as to who forced Wentz out. Hurts didn't take his job,he inherited the job when Howie forced Wentz and Ped out

I don't think it's that simple.   Stuff was built over time.   The easy narrative for the gossip type people is this.  For me ... Wentz, Schwartz, Doug and Duce... all wanted out, after seeing the direction this team is going.   That's not even just personnel moves with decisions that were brutal, but how some guys were treated ( Jenkins,  Ertz, etc)   it's easy to see if you look at the big picture and remove this idea that the Eagles are some sort of glamor franchise to play for.

31 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't think it's that simple.   Stuff was built over time.   The easy narrative for the gossip type people is this.  For me ... Wentz, Schwartz, Doug and Duce... all wanted out, after seeing the direction this team is going.   That's not even just personnel moves with decisions that were brutal, but how some guys were treated ( Jenkins,  Ertz, etc)   it's easy to see if you look at the big picture and remove this idea that the Eagles are some sort of glamor franchise to play for.

I like the change to your AVI

Just noticed it

5 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No there was never a need to force anything we were down 3 point going into the half…. Get rid of the ball… all your doing is trying to make excuses for Hurts by adding the two previous statements that have nothing to do with him throwing a terrible pass at a terrible time in a situation he had no reason to 

I have to be honest ... in my mind with 8 seconds left and where the ball was, I thought quick pass and then try to run it in on 4th down.  This to me is an issue not for Hurts or Siri ... but the fact we don't have a big WR to throw the fade.     Throw the fade, plenty of time now to run the next play.   It's a nice finesse offense ... that I feel we already had with DeSean/ Maclin/ Vick/ Shady...etc.  I don't want to go relive those years.   Between that group and Chip era, I just feel like Lurie/Howie are trying to go back and prove a point that they were correct in trying to build a team that way, just that it was the players or Chip's fault it didn't work.   Having to be smartest guys in the room.    I'd prefer just to go forward... but if it takes a couple years to where everyone has to get tired of this gimmick, then I'm ok with that.  If I never have to see another read option again, that would be fine with me.  To me it's a snooze  fest of an offense... I miss seeing the expanded route trees...etc.   I'm excited to see what Smith and Watkins can do once they get into a different offense.  

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Your asking a guy who best asset is his running ability to play when he likely won’t be able to run the way he is used to??? We can play hurts and you likely get see him have to be a passer but I don’t want to hear the well he was injured excuse brought up after if he struggles as a passer can’t have it both ways

Right... but as you said, we need to find out.  If he is the franchise guy, we need him to play with a sore ankle.  (barring it being too serious)  do you want to baby him now, pay him and in 3 years play him with a bad ankle because its a big game , only to find out he is worthless without his running?    Just tolerate the excuses from 1289 for a week, to find out more about the young QB.    I know where you are going .. but to be honest, I think Mustache gets his chance next year... the fan base will turn soon enough.   Half a year or so with Mustache might give us an idea on the coach, which I think gets 3 years either way, he will get a shot with the next QB they invest in, for at least one season.  

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

but if it takes a couple years to where everyone has to get tired of this gimmick, then I'm ok with that.  If I never have to see another read option again, that would be fine with me.  To me it's a snooze  fest of an offense

Joe the read option isn’t some wild cat offense gimmick that had its two years is going to fade away… Elements of it will be used for years to come just like elements of the west coast is still used though almost no team runs a traditional west coast offense anymore 

Just now, joemas6 said:

Right... but as you said, we need to find out.  If he is the franchise guy, we need him to play with a sore ankle.  (barring it being too serious)  do you want to baby him now, pay him and in 3 years play him with a bad ankle because its a big game , only to find out he is worthless without his running?    Just tolerate the excuses from 1289 for a week, to find out more about the young QB.    I know where you are going .. but to be honest, I think Mustache gets his chance next year... the fan base will turn soon enough.   Half a year or so with Mustache might give us an idea on the coach, which I think gets 3 years either way, he will get a shot with the next QB they invest in, for at least one season.  

If he can’t pass when healthy what makes me think he can pass when he isn’t??? Why would I pay a guy in 3 years if he doesn’t show he can pass when healthy??? 
 

To me there no reason to play him hurt…. We gain nothing from it 

4 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

You have had 16 games to see Hurts as a passer it’s been the debate we have had on this board for months…. He isn’t a good passer it isn’t hard to see sorry if I don’t need to see a hobbled Hurts play to find out more of his not being a good passer. 
 

Id much rather find out more on Siri then playing an injured hurts without his best asset to me that is far more valuable 

Do you think they fire Siri ... in any scenario?    If the answer to that is no... then we don't need to see Muctache in a rushed situation... put him in when he has the starting job, and lets see him play for a few weeks with an offense geared toward him and one that has time to practice for a few weeks.   I don't need to see it to prove a point to 1289 group ... in the end I think we all know what is going to happen there... so when Mustache gets his shot, I want it to be his, like legit.  

We seem so concerned on Hurts and what he can and can’t do but what if part of the problem is Siri??? 
 If Siri offense is just bad then it will show case even more with Minshew…If we want to truly grade Hurts fairly don’t you want to know of the coach is part of the problem 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Do you think they fire Siri ... in any scenario?    If the answer to that is no...

Lurie tends to be a patience man but he is also an owner that loves analytics and passing… We are avg. what some 140 yards a game over the last 4 weeks…. I honestly don’t rule anything out with this team didn’t think Doug would be let go yet that happened and though I see it as unlikely we would fire Siri after one year wouldn’t rule it out. 
 

Again this season should be about collecting as much information as possible on this team that includes the coach not just Hurts. 

Hurts saying he will be ready to go so guess is all a moot point