10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO it's called dropping it in the breadbasket. other QB's do it every week.if it hit him in the facemask it was UNDER THROWN and he should have led him a yard farther or it was thrown too high. He's 2 years in and still playing like a rook(even worse tha alot of rooks). No progress whatsoever

Yes I know you are confused,thus the icon 🤣

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

One time the QB ran it 18 times. Usually been more like 8 QB runs a game. RPOs are just another play in the playbook. 

12 games...   7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 13, 13 &18.     Take away the 18 and you have 104 in 11 games...  still like 9.5. 

Half the games he has double figures rushing... if you think that wins then fine,  you are entitled to that opinion that he will be the first running QB to win.   I just disagree.  I 

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

Oh no…..we pissed off the Primma Donna.

And Jenkins and Ertz and Duce and Schwartz and Doug... but yeah, the QB should want to stay....lol.    You are a fan, you have your team for life,  these players have a short window to play, as a fan you should be concerned why all these people want to leave and who remains in power.    This garbage is the result... you want to pick and choose who you think is prima Donna and who has a legit beef.   I'm looking at it that nobody should want to leave, if I'm running an organization,  nobody should want to leave...that's the issue. Why do you keep missing it and fall for the BS spin?  

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

He didn’t suit up for us. Came in for one play and scored a TD…did a backflip into the endzone. Injured and out.

True story! 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

WOW that's cool how they pull to the other side so often. If they work well together thats a great sign

It's why I don't want to move Dickerson to C.   Let them be the Brooks/ Lane combo for a decade on the left side!

15 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

12 games...   7, 7, 8, 8, 9, 9, 10, 10, 10, 13, 13 &18.     Take away the 18 and you have 104 in 11 games...  still like 9.5. 

Half the games he has double figures rushing... if you think that wins then fine,  you are entitled to that opinion that he will be the first running QB to win.   I just disagree.  I 

Many of them picking up first downs. Converting first downs is winning football.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Supposed to go in his belly, so there's another inaccuracy issue; This guy sucks

I have to be honest,  thar pass that hit Reagor in the face mask IMO was Hurts most impressive throw of his career... rusher was coming in, he was a little off balance and placed it nicely.  I mean , that far downfield the WR needs to adjust a little... you can't blame the QB on that one, like last year when Hightower completely misjudged a ball down field and people were saying it was Wentz...lol.   I mean the WR needs to have ball skills, like an outfielder,  you gotta be used to those balls by now, what do you do I practice?  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Many of them picking up first downs. Converting first downs is winning football.

We know you are on record,  we can win with this style.  I just disagree, the offense isn't going to work with the QB running that much, gotta play 11 on 11, not 1 vs 11. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Many of them picking up first downs. Converting first downs is winning football.

It's 5-7... 6-10 in the career so far... really not winning football.   7 points , not going to be enough. 

MLB owners voted to start lockout

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hard to know not being up close, but some QB's have a strange rotation. reagor should be used to it by now though

Oh, I was referring to 3 instances when the ball just fell out of his hand after full wind-up………………empty hand w/arm going forward. Those balls were free game. They won't be ruled as incompletions. 

On 11/29/2021 at 11:52 PM, joemas6 said:

Just curious of this question as to what you mean by " recent " years?   When did a running QB ever win anything in this league?   I'm talking about where the QB's best aspect by ar is his running,  where the QB has 18 rushes in a game.    Doesn't have to average 18 rushes, but has there ever been a SB winner or any team with playoff success where a QB ran it 18 times in ANY game?      I only go back to the 70s with Dallas and Pittsburgh dominating,  so I don't ever remember any team having success with that style?    Maybe some of the older fans on here can remember NFL teams winning with running QBs?  

You kind of made my point on that issue. I wanted to be open minded in case I missed something. I did live in a foreign country for a couple of years and didn’t watch any NFL football those two years….1990 and 1991 to be exact. I do remember that Joe Montana won the SB in 1990 and Jeff Hoestetler (spelled wrong) won it in 1991. Oh, and Whitney Houston sang the national anthem. So yeah, no running QB there.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

It's why I don't want to move Dickerson to C.   Let them be the Brooks/ Lane combo for a decade on the left side!

Whatever works,just stay with it and stop moving everyone around.if that combo sticks LEAVE IT

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Many of them picking up first downs. Converting first downs is winning football.

Yeah our record is amazing!!!!!🙄  Out of 32 teams, we had the easiest schedule of ANY one

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I have to be honest,  thar pass that hit Reagor in the face mask IMO was Hurts most impressive throw of his career... rusher was coming in, he was a little off balance and placed it nicely.  I mean , that far downfield the WR needs to adjust a little... you can't blame the QB on that one, like last year when Hightower completely misjudged a ball down field and people were saying it was Wentz...lol.   I mean the WR needs to have ball skills, like an outfielder,  you gotta be used to those balls by now, what do you do I practice?  

I know Joe I am talking about "perfect passes" They are rare I understand that. I was merely pointing out that Hurts passes are FAR from perfect and while receivers need to adjust,most should not take maximum effort each time.Also if you aren't accurate, you are setting up your receivers for some nasty hits because they are out of position

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I know Joe I am talking about "perfect passes" They are rare I understand that. I was merely pointing out that Hurts passes are FAR from perfect and while receivers need to adjust,most should not take maximum effort each time.Also if you aren't accurate, you are setting up your receivers for some nasty hits because they are out of position

Yeah, but I mean, that pass was in the endzone, it's a TD that could have been caught.  What Reagor could use as a reason for not catching it was the defender being on him... still ball shouldn't hit you in the face.  I've been hit in the face with a spiked volleyball, maybe a deflected basketball... but on a ball thrown to me when I'm running under to catch it???? That's pretty bad for the average human, let alone a professional WR!   

Who was the guy on here trying to blame Wentz when Hightower did the same thing on like a 50 yard pass in the endzone... said it was behind him...lol... when he had like 5 seconds to track the ball and adjust.  JB something,  that was funny stuff.  Blaming Hurts on the one that hit Reagor is on the same level.   Plenty o poor throws, that wasn't one.

13 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Hurts has exactly 1100 snaps .... 185 rushing attempts.  16.8% of his snaps... he runs  slightly more than 1 out of every 6 plays.  

Mahomes 3772 snaps ....  209 rushing attempts.    5.5% of his snaps   ... he runs less than 1 out of every 18 plays.   

That's more than 3 times the difference.  

Russell Wilson  ... 9763 snaps   ... 829 rush attempts ...    8.4%   ...  one out of every 11.77 snaps

Josh allen    ... 3465 snaps .... 369 rushes   ...10.6%     ... one out of every 9.4 snaps.  

How about old school ... Fran Tarkenton   no snap count

but in 239 games he had 675 rush attempts ...   6467 passing attempts.      He ran less than 3 times per game.

Steve Young   169 games ... 722 rush attempts...  4.2 rush attempts per game....   4149 pass attempts

Am I missing anyone else that people might think are " running " QBs.    This should show there is a difference with a QB that can run, and a running QB.   

 185 rushes and 499 pass attempts = a running QB.   That is what he is, that is what he is good at.   Some people think you can win like that, so far nobody ever has.   

 

 

 

 

mike vick

1 hour ago, stine said:

mike vick

Mike Vick....

143 games.... 873 rushing attempts....  3217 pass attempts. 

A little over 6 runs per game. 

1 hour ago, stine said:

mike vick

Snap counts came in 2012....  so 2012 to 2015... he had 1436 snaps.... 144 rush attempts.  Right at 1 in 10 snaps = a rush attempt.    

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah, but I mean, that pass was in the endzone, it's a TD that could have been caught.  What Reagor could use as a reason for not catching it was the defender being on him... still ball shouldn't hit you in the face.  I've been hit in the face with a spiked volleyball, maybe a deflected basketball... but on a ball thrown to me when I'm running under to catch it???? That's pretty bad for the average human, let alone a professional WR!   

Who was the guy on here trying to blame Wentz when Hightower did the same thing on like a 50 yard pass in the endzone... said it was behind him...lol... when he had like 5 seconds to track the ball and adjust.  JB something,  that was funny stuff.  Blaming Hurts on the one that hit Reagor is on the same level.   Plenty o poor throws, that wasn't one.

No I understand most balls are not perfect. Sometimes the defender blocks your vision and the ball just suddenly appears in your face. Those are very difficult to catch because those depend on your reaction time(intangible). point is,if it was "perfect pass" that would not be a needed intangible. I understand perfect passes are few and far between,but that is the ultimate goal of any QB. I was also enamored with a stat sheet I saw that Jones and Brady have about the same stats this year. But Jones sucks because he's only a freshly minted rookie. If Hurts is our guy,then he needs to be Tom Brady (or Mac Jones) and have accuracy pouring out his fanny. Since he can't really fix arm strength,he's going to have to pick up his accuracy and increase those "perfect passes". And stone hands Reagor needs to spend hours upon hours catching machine fed tennis balls(my HS coach made us all do this and it really helped!!!!) But first,Reagor needs to care,not blow off his failures as "we'll see what happens next week" Little boy needs to grow up and he needs to do it now. SO those are the QB/WR points we need to work on and if we had been all year those drops would be history by now

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Snap counts came in 2012....  so 2012 to 2015... he had 1436 snaps.... 144 rush attempts.  Right at 1 in 10 snaps = a rush attempt.    

So it appears there are two kinds of QBs

A runner who plays QB and a QB that runs when needed

Looks to me like we have the first 

36 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

No I understand most balls are not perfect. Sometimes the defender blocks your vision and the ball just suddenly appears in your face. Those are very difficult to catch because those depend on your reaction time(intangible). point is,if it was "perfect pass" that would not be a needed intangible. I understand perfect passes are few and far between,but that is the ultimate goal of any QB. I was also enamored with a stat sheet I saw that Jones and Brady have about the same stats this year. But Jones sucks because he's only a freshly minted rookie. If Hurts is our guy,then he needs to be Tom Brady (or Mac Jones) and have accuracy pouring out his fanny. Since he can't really fix arm strength,he's going to have to pick up his accuracy and increase those "perfect passes". And stone hands Reagor needs to spend hours upon hours catching machine fed tennis balls(my HS coach made us all do this and it really helped!!!!) But first,Reagor needs to care,not blow off his failures as "we'll see what happens next week" Little boy needs to grow up and he needs to do it now. SO those are the QB/WR points we need to work on and if we had been all year those drops would be history by now

You have an issue with this pass right here?  This is the one we are talking about, good distance on the throw that was rushed and off balance,  IMO the most impressive throw I've seen him make in 16 games!

16 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

So it appears there are two kinds of QBs

A runner who plays QB and a QB that runs when needed

Looks to me like we have the first 

But in college...etc😆😆😆

54 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You have an issue with this pass right here?  This is the one we are talking about, good distance on the throw that was rushed and off balance,  IMO the most impressive throw I've seen him make in 16 games!

Nope that's not "in the face mask"(as in hit it there) like Ham described.Nice pass should have easliy been caught. I was thinking more in the side of his face lol. Those are the catches make so you can cash those gushy paychecks

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

So it appears there are two kinds of QBs

A runner who plays QB and a QB that runs when needed

Looks to me like we have the first 

Yep we have a RB playing the QB position lol