Did anyone think Dhop was going to be the best WR in football or a star WR after his 52 catches 800 yard 2 TD rookie year 

I wouldn’t have called Marvin Harrison a #1 WR or star after his rookie year, Devante Adams, Dhop, TO, Fitz massive list of guys think they all had promising rookie season but would you have called them true #1 or star WRs after there seasons???? 
 

Smith is right on par or better then all those guys as rookies 

Call me crazy but to call a guy a true #1 WR he has to go out and win consistently game in game out year in year out and you can’t know that after 12 games or even 1 season 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Joe tell me when have you ever said a rookie was a star…. I thought fletcher had a great rookie year didn’t call him a star until probably year 3…. Wentz flashed wonders as rookie didn’t call him a star until he broke out year 2.

Was Devante Adams a star WR his first year??? What about Rodgers did we know he was a star his rookie season did anyone thing he was going to be the player he has become??? 

 

GB said Smith was our star WR.  I was just saying he wasn't a star.   There were plenty of rookies who were pro bowl,  or no doubt future #1s.     I like Smith, not a star WR at this time.  

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Call me crazy but to call a guy a true #1 WR he has to go out and win consistently game in game out year in year out and you can’t know that after 12 games or even 1 season 

And so you agree with me that GB shouldn't have called Smith a star?  

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/agents-take-cowboys-dak-prescott-headlines-list-of-nfls-top-10-highest-paid-players-in-2021/

Pretty interesting. I thought players just immediately got the cash from their signing bonus. This tells that isn’t so. Many different ways to pay off the signing bonus.

Wondering why we signed LeRaven Clark for two years? Was somebody trying to poach him? We’ve had multiple injuries at G and T but he hasn’t sniffed the field. Been behind Toth even.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Pretty interesting. I thought players just immediately got the cash from their signing bonus. This tells that isn’t so. Many different ways to pay off the signing bonus.

I believe the money needs to be given during the " calendar " year or before the last regular season game.   Either way it's $$ that gets prorated for cap purposes.   

Sanders ran for over 105 yards after contact. Not how many think of him.

9 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I believe the money needs to be given during the " calendar " year or before the last regular season game.   Either way it's $$ that gets prorated for cap purposes.   

Nope

12 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Wondering why we signed LeRaven Clark for two years? Was somebody trying to poach him? We’ve had multiple injuries at G and T but he hasn’t sniffed the field. Been behind Toth even.

So with all these multiple injuries we have suffered on our OL...  I'm assuming the depth chart was... Mailata, Johnson, Driscoll, Dillard as 1st and 2nd string T.     Seamulo,  Kelce, Brooks... Dickerson,  Herbig, Opeta as the 1st and 2nd string interior.   Have we gone to 3rd string anywhere yet? 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

Nope

Nope .... the money given to Dak as signing bonus doesn't get prorated?   

You can prorate and do things with the cap hits for signing bonuses. I’m strictly talking about how the actual cash hits the pocket of players. I assumed as a signing bonus…they got it upon….signing. Not the case. A few different ways they work it. Peyton Manning was paid half his signing bonus a year later. 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can prorate and do things with the cap hits for signing bonuses. I’m strictly talking about how the actual cash hits the pocket of players. I assumed as a signing bonus…they got it upon….signing. Not the case. A few different ways they work it. Peyton Manning was paid half his signing bonus a year later. 

Yeah, I think it's a year to pay it.... that's what I wasn't sure of... either the season.. or calendar.   If you read the article with Manning....signed in March of 2004, received the last payment March 2005.    It could be " league year"  or calendar year... I'm not sure.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Yeah, I think it's a year to pay it.... that's what I wasn't sure of... either the season.. or calendar.   If you read the article with Manning....signed in March of 2004, received the last payment March 2005.    It could be " league year"  or calendar year... I'm not sure.

Or it could be one year from the signing? 

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah, I think it's a year to pay it.... that's what I wasn't sure of... either the season.. or calendar.   If you read the article with Manning....signed in March of 2004, received the last payment March 2005.    It could be " league year"  or calendar year... I'm not sure.

Or it could be one year from the signing? 

They just come up with an agreement on how it will be distributed is how I was seeing it.

21 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They just come up with an agreement on how it will be distributed is how I was seeing it.

There needs to be a limit on the time.   Think about it, they would use all signing bonus if they could just to keep pushing down cap hit, that's why they have roster bonus ...etc after the first year.  And redo deals all the time.  There is a structure involved, I'm just not sure of the exact rules.   If I had to guess, it's the league year in March that is the deadline.  

37 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

They just come up with an agreement on how it will be distributed is how I was seeing it.

I googled a few articles on it... seems the idea is that it's paid over the first 12-18 months after the signing.   Still counts as 100% guaranteed to the player and prorated over the life of the contract.  So doesn't really effect anything a team can do, but interesting that it could take that much time, we've seen a few happen where some gets at signing and other money life during camp or right as the season starts etc... at these amounts now, i'd wait 18 months knowing it was guaranteed...lol

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I googled a few articles on it... seems the idea is that it's paid over the first 12-18 months after the signing.   Still counts as 100% guaranteed to the player and prorated over the life of the contract.  So doesn't really effect anything a team can do, but interesting that it could take that much time, we've seen a few happen where some gets at signing and other money life during camp or right as the season starts etc... at these amounts now, i'd wait 18 months knowing it was guaranteed...lol

Yes, they are distributing through the year on some….and even paying the next year. Nothing to do with team cap. Strictly cash in pocket for player….when? If you want the huge money the you gotta be a little more flexible. 40 mil hard to just come right out with….on top of the whole business that is.

15 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seumalo, Brooks, Dickerson, Driscoll….Herbig we are on our third and fifth G right now

All of which are better than most team's #1

2 hours ago, stine said:

All of which are better than most team's #1

PFF has Dickerson rates #30 of 80

Mailata #6 of 83

Lane #20 of 83

13 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

PFF has Dickerson rates #30 of 80

Mailata #6 of 83

Lane #20 of 83

each TEAM HAS 2 GUARDS, so top 64 figure out where Brooks Driscoll and Herbig lie.....

Brcause Brooks has not been playing he will fall out of the top 64 but we all know that he is a starter on most teams.

3 minutes ago, stine said:

each TEAM HAS 2 GUARDS, so top 64 figure out where Brooks Driscoll and Herbig lie.....

Brcause Brooks has not been playing he will fall out of the top 64 but we all know that he is a starter on most teams.

I saw this yesterday. These are just the ones i remember.

Kelce was #3 i think

The rating took injuries into account.

20 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Who is the " star" WR?   We don't have one here.    Good, pretty good... potential... that's a long way from " star"   lets not get carried away.    

Sorry Joe, I should have put "star" in quotes(as in planned potential #1). At any rate,we'll never know with a non passing QB.Pointless pick and a waste of talent for Smith

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sorry Joe, I should have put "star" in quotes(as in planned potential #1). At any rate,we'll never know with a non passing QB.Pointless pick and a waste of talent for Smith

Then why "Waste" another pick on a WR? Let's grab our QB first and other pressing positions first.....

We may find we have the WR's on the roster already.... Get a QB that can throw the rock....

14 minutes ago, stine said:

Then why "Waste" another pick on a WR? Let's grab our QB first and other pressing positions first.....

We may find we have the WR's on the roster already.... Get a QB that can throw the rock....

Because presumably Hurts won't be around long. Who knows where the QB's fall in this draft. There are only 2-3 top WR's and according to concensus the 2 top QB's will go before the WR's but we dont pick until 12,so do you take the WR who is dropped in your lap,or reach for  QB who will go later?" We can;t go WR/QB?(both round 1)

  Pickett there when they pick, I would draft him first and go from there....

 

 

beats wasting 2 draft picks on him..... At least we have two more #1's and a #2