42 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

They had a nice group of weapons....missing a #1.    It's where I feel we ate.  Smith and Goedert jump to the next level if another guy takes the attention of the defense. 

That’s been Hurts this season….taking some attention off that is

41 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK that they would find success with Hurts as our QB. Your going to pay 15 million for the same production you can get from a rook with THIS QB

I don’t agree. Reagor has been a pretty significant part of our passing problems. Our Oline is built more for run blocking also. Dickerson should keep improving pass blocking though. He was just awful his first several games though. He was coming off injury, no TC and a rookie though. I know, excuses….but feel these are legit for Dickerson. Well and Hurts. Smith is good….but has been growing. Top weapon for the start of this season is very far from ideal for QB production. Rookie Smith and Reagor under a rookie HC…..no Qb was thriving in that situation.

46 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

There is no chronological order for me here.    Just get the players.  We overthink the method... it's the same idea for me of not taking LB in round 1.    We need to stop worrying about the method and just focus on getting the players.

I’m almost with you. But still feel position matters some. I’m not high on the Saquan Barkley pick. Rosie hasn’t ever drafted S well. Almost the kiss of death if he drafts you as a S. S also seem to always be available in FA….fairly cheap at that. So I’m drafting CB over S unless the talent gap is wide.

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Some year we will beat a legit NFL team and make you proud

I hope so.   Because in order to win a SB you have to do that.   When was the last time the Eagles beat a winning team that had their starting QB in?    Is it 2019?   Good trivia question.  One that I would be impressed if someone had the answer without research?  

48 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'm saying Hurts isn't going to be the QB for long.   My focus is on long term.  This team isn't going anywhere any time soon. 

We already in the playoffs. Ok I’m kind of kidding here. But I could see this team taking a huge step forward next season. Got huge draft ammo. Got some money for FA. Got the coaches, scheme expectations in place. A great offseason could catapult us.

50 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Tell Howie that please

Right so take a WR in the draft and you have him 4-5 years. BTW if we draft 3 in round 1 do we get all 3 on 5th year options?

You know how much that would cost?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m almost with you. But still feel position matters some. I’m not high on the Saquan Barkley pick. Rosie hasn’t ever drafted S well. Almost the kiss of death if he drafts you as a S. S also seem to always be available in FA….fairly cheap at that. So I’m drafting CB over S unless the talent gap is wide.

Position absolutely matters... the method of getting the pieces in place aren't of a concern.    Except when you see all old guys... like DB, there we need to draft.   

WRs we are young enough... a 26 year old stud vet or a top draft pick, to me it's the same.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We already in the playoffs. Ok I’m kind of kidding here. But I could see this team taking a huge step forward next season. Got huge draft ammo. Got some money for FA. Got the coaches, scheme expectations in place. A great offseason could catapult us.

You know how much that would cost?

I agree, I think a good offseason could catapult us to where we might beat at least one mediocre team that has their starting QB healthy.    That would be a huge leap from the past 2 seasons.   

Plus we need to look at where Kelce,Lane, Cox, Slay, McCloud will need to be replaced very soon.   On top of building onto these pieces, we need to find their successors.  

But as for 5th year options....the goal should be to have to worry about that , if not, it means we missed on the picks. 

52 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You cna say the same about nay position. pay  top S then worry about the others

They have a passing QB?????

He’s really good…actually at running also. Think he’s third rushing QB

52 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes...now you get it.   Draft or free agent... if it's a 4th -5th year 26 year old that you can build from...not the 30 year old final contract guy.  

Difference in a building block or a patch 

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m almost with you. But still feel position matters some. I’m not high on the Saquan Barkley pick. Rosie hasn’t ever drafted S well. 

Agree... Nelson and Chubb should have been their picks.  Said it at time of draft... looking back Josh Allen would have been the right pick...  but probably a waste ... they have put nothing around their QB that has stayed healthy. 

As for Howie drafting safety... again, none of them have been 1st round.  Maybe the success changes if they remain open to the option that S is the BPA in round 1?

52 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Smith has 900 yards(with a RUNNING QB). We can get  another WR that can also do that with out spending a dime. 2 x 900 yards I will take all day and it cost me nothing

GL finding a team that will part with one lol

Godwin was my first thought. But also was thinking like No Mas…a bigger type would be ideal

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Difference in a building block or a patch 

Right....not sure GB was getting it...I agree with you...too much Reager vs JJ and signing DeSean on his mind.  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Godwin was my first thought. But also was thinking like No Mas…a bigger type would be ideal

My fear with Godwin... similar to my fear with Ridley.... take away the bigger guy next to him, is he as good?   Smith to me is a nice polished WR... would work nicely with a bigger more physical WR that teams need to put their top CB on.   

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Godwin was my first thought. But also was thinking like No Mas…a bigger type would be ideal

Im not forcing it either.  If the right one is there, then try to get him.  If not spend elsewhere.   But building block, not a patch.   We can get the patch in May and over the summer for cheap.

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I hope so.   Because in order to win a SB you have to do that.   When was the last time the Eagles beat a winning team that had their starting QB in?    Is it 2019?   Good trivia question.  One that I would be impressed if someone had the answer without research?  

My thinking is different teams(our team but different seasons versions) I have different expectations. The bar was very low for this season for me. We needed a youth infusion….but with all the coaches….that concerned me. After that first game it appeared my fears were coming true. Not saying all the coaches have been great. But we got past it being a disaster. Really felt if we lost to the lions everything would be different. Coaches and QB would have been run out of town. Everybody really showed well though and rallied back. That was huge. We are far from the most talented team. But I’ve really enjoyed rooting for this bunch. They aren’t winning with superior talent. They are scrappy. Won’t give up. Face adversity very well. Look good in big moments and clutch. I can build on these things going forward. In my mind we are ahead of schedule. Siri now plans for his first road playoff game. I expect taking some lumps in this big boy league. Gotta watch out for spies, distractions….heck food poisoning out of town. This isn’t just some fun game…this is mega corporate business. Didn’t come out with the best gameplan in a must win situation against Washington. Adjusted and survived. But coaches need to be better. We just aren’t talented enough to over come bad gameplanning. And some of that falls on the personnel the coaches have to work with. 

22 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I hope so.   Because in order to win a SB you have to do that.   When was the last time the Eagles beat a winning team that had their starting QB in?    Is it 2019?   Good trivia question.  One that I would be impressed if someone had the answer without research?  

Been way too long. But feels like we are trending up.

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I agree, I think a good offseason could catapult us to where we might beat at least one mediocre team that has their starting QB healthy.    That would be a huge leap from the past 2 seasons.   

Plus we need to look at where Kelce,Lane, Cox, Slay, McCloud will need to be replaced very soon.   On top of building onto these pieces, we need to find their successors.  

But as for 5th year options....the goal should be to have to worry about that , if not, it means we missed on the picks. 

Looks like Milton is ready to take over for Cox. Really thought that was arguably our best pick. But you might be reaching too far into the future. Just can’t come up with a six year plan in the NFL. Three years is almost maxing out. Things change in a blink. But ideally you try to manage and spread the money around everywhere. Slay had a fantastic season. So I’d ride with him two more seasons no problem.
Lane doesn’t seem slowed by age. I think the Oline is our ideal trade bait. I expect many many calls for trades here. Up and down the line we can profit here. So trading Lane…Dillard….Toth….whoever….it’s all on the table. I’m going on the limb now snd saying we trade at least two Oline this offseason and before the trade deadline. Really need Rosie to cash in here.

Kelce I agree. Just don’t see him playing more than two more seasons. Might retire this year.

 McLeod is tough. Great leadership guy. We’d really miss that. Think he might stay cheap. S you can get away with losing a step. Which he did this year. But he was coming off injury. So how much was lost recovering from injury and how much is just lost? That where I judge him. Team really has the great inside knowledge on this. Harris and Nelson are scrappy but replaceable. Keep them cheap. Epps is ready to start in my mind though. He’s been increasing snaps all season. Feels like he forced away on the field with Schwartz. Then did it again with Gannon. Neither guy seemed to favor him originally. So he’s earned his role. Real good sign for him.

27 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Agree... Nelson and Chubb should have been their picks.  Said it at time of draft... looking back Josh Allen would have been the right pick...  but probably a waste ... they have put nothing around their QB that has stayed healthy. 

As for Howie drafting safety... again, none of them have been 1st round.  Maybe the success changes if they remain open to the option that S is the BPA in round 1?

The S part: that’s tough. Because maybe he just can’t evaluate and choose a S. That’s his track record. So you are using your highest draft ammo on a position he is terrible at drafting. You could say that could help….but it also feels like a higher fail rate possibility.

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

My fear with Godwin... similar to my fear with Ridley.... take away the bigger guy next to him, is he as good?   Smith to me is a nice polished WR... would work nicely with a bigger more physical WR that teams need to put their top CB on.   

Well Godwin’s injury changes things for me. Tough blow. Ridley would be a great addition I think. Not the ideal pairing. I wouldn’t really call him a number one. He’s also not big. But man….what an upgrade that would be. Smith, Watkins and Ridley would be formidable. Then we could truely go with the matchup. Jalen Ramsey…Revis Island…whatever…,can’t stop that. I think we’ve discussed this similarly but from the defensive cornerback side of things.

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Im not forcing it either.  If the right one is there, then try to get him.  If not spend elsewhere.   But building block, not a patch.   We can get the patch in May and over the summer for cheap.

It helps if you can have the foresight. Who will be available when. Gotta come up with a plan. So who you spending big on? Who you drafting high? Who can you get cheap? You got these things right all in one offseason you can really have a special season.

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

My thinking is different teams(our team but different seasons versions) I have different expectations. The bar was very low for this season for me. We needed a youth infusion….but with all the coaches….that concerned me. After that first game it appeared my fears were coming true. Not saying all the coaches have been great. But we got past it being a disaster. Really felt if we lost to the lions everything would be different. Coaches and QB would have been run out of town. Everybody really showed well though and rallied back. That was huge. We are far from the most talented team. But I’ve really enjoyed rooting for this bunch. They aren’t winning with superior talent. They are scrappy. Won’t give up. Face adversity very well. Look good in big moments and clutch. I can build on these things going forward. In my mind we are ahead of schedule. Siri now plans for his first road playoff game. I expect taking some lumps in this big boy league. Gotta watch out for spies, distractions….heck food poisoning out of town. This isn’t just some fun game…this is mega corporate business. Didn’t come out with the best gameplan in a must win situation against Washington. Adjusted and survived. But coaches need to be better. We just aren’t talented enough to over come bad gameplanning. And some of that falls on the personnel the coaches have to work with. 

Been way too long. But feels like we are trending up.

This is great.  The bar is low, I agree.  We bear bad teams that had injury issues and it was very great timing for us.    Congrats that we aren't a bad team and didn't lose to Detroit.  With the veterans on our team, I didn't expect to be brutal.  I've been consistent all along with where we have been out the last few years. Poor roster for 3 years in a row.  QB and coach bailed them out in 2019... with fortunate schedule.   2020... was the worst roster and worst with injuries.   2021, slightly better roster , but healthy and injuries hit the opponents.  It's not a big gap between say the Jets and Giants and us... the injuries can make the difference. 

Now... to go forward.. the veteran players that keep us from being really bad, are going to need to be replaced.   The schedule and injury luck probably won't be there.     The big picture for me, is to get to be where we were in 2017.  Before all the patchwork and intangibles..  was a rock solid roster. Built the right way.    Defense dominated for 2 years at home... then we added a dominating offense both on the ground and in the air.  It wasn't one fluke game indoors at the end.  The blowouts vs a few top defenses by both running and passing.   

We have a long way to go.... but step one is beating just one team with a winning record that has their starting QB in the game.   Just one.  Until that happens,  there is no progress in my mind.

It's not a victory because the bar was set low and the coach isn't a disaster.  One quality win vs a decent opponent, that's step 1. In fairness, that haven't had that opportunity for 2 months.   So I can't blame them either.  

Really think Gannon needed different type players than Schwartz. We need more athleticism and talent. But it’s not the same scheme. He’s been trying to blend things to makeshift it. He’s done ok…with what I consider not what he wants ideally. Really think he will change up what we do this offseason. He needs the pieces. Coverage stud LB has been the most glaring weakness. Stud pass rusher right there also. Seems like he doesn’t ask as much from CBs as most DCs. If we added a stud would he do things differently? Think that part is a bit of a mystery. Think we will learn plenty from what personnel moves we make on defense. He earned the right to get a big say on the decisions. Siri ripped him at times this season. Kind of surprised me some there. But also came around and backed him as a top notch DC that will make a great HC. Definitely interesting to see how their dynamics unfold. Feels like Gannon will be working in a separate part of the building with mostly autonomy. He answers to the FO on D. Siri is the OC. Rosie is HC. Think that’s what I see going on.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

All our WR are young so a vet there doesn’t make us old. See the difference?

Don't need a vet WR,there is no point in it. Smith is rockin it without one. You are failing to see that college WR's are coming out NFL ready now and you need to wake up and drop the VET WR BS. If you want to get a FA WR because you can;t stand it otherwise get him for his skills not his teaching ability,we have coaches for that and the guys at WR coming out DONT NEED a veteran,they are ready to go

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Shake and Bake. Two times agreeing here. Not basing my plan on failing. Loser mentality. Never getting anywhere like that.

Yes the "dream team" was just a HUGE success(how many millions was that again?)

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yes, I was looking forward to seeing all these young DBs we have rostered. But I can condemn them for this outing. Cowboys are a really tough matchup with their receiver corps. Wallace had two moments that were really bad. Confidence really went down on him. But overall it’s just not a fair assessment situation. The communication just wasn’t there. Secondary had to gel and know when to trade things off to the other defender. We had none of that. Our Zone D was a joke. Something in hindsight I should have seen coming. Not that I figured they would be great….guess I was just hoping for a young guy to step up and make a few plays.

Thats is the point I made. I will say it again. I saw NOTHING from these BU's in the secondary that led me to believe they would be starters. Now we need to draft some that ARE and meantime we spend the loot THERE because the draft picks at DB are NOT panning out and we can fill the hole with FA's until we get some that CAN move into starting roles and spending at WR is NOT necessary

32 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The S part: that’s tough. Because maybe he just can’t evaluate and choose a S. That’s his track record. So you are using your highest draft ammo on a position he is terrible at drafting. You could say that could help….but it also feels like a higher fail rate possibility.

No, I'm saying that maybe he passed on S that he thought were good because he didn't want to draft them round 1.      Just that it may be a possibility?   Then he stunk at picking them round 2.  It's possible for sure.