A really good scenario could be Pittsburgh at 20 trading up for a QB at 15. We’d have a real good idea of all the picks coming from 15 until that 20th pick. Still could trade back and do it again with the 19th pick.

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Makes perfect sense if we pick at 15 and trade 16th pick your idea of knowing the draft outcomes is the same.

my guess is numerous teams will be calling to see what we will sell picks for and the value for the 15th pick vs the 16th pick will be basically the same.  Soooo again your logic of it has to be 15th vs 16th doesn’t make sense he’ll we could trade 19th and use both 15 &16 

    We’d be paying the 16th pick instead of the 15th pick. Be the same guy. 
   They’d be trading for 15 instead of 16. Looks better for their trade values. Same player either way.

Traded 15 is slightly better for us. Has a slightly better look for the trade partner. Win/Win ….just makes sense on both sides.

We control that section of that draft is my point. I know Rosie loves it and will utilize his full hand.

In theory we could be raising the price of trading for 19 by the price of 15. Would be ideal if we traded 15 for a guy we wouldn’t be taking even at 19 though.

2 hours ago, stine said:

I guess that depends on what the scouts think, no? Not sure drafting a QB just to have one is not the right approach. Especially when there are so many areas of need at most other positions. I think HR should hire Mayock to run the draft. At least he knows who to take and who to stay away from....

Well hear me out. There are 2 ways to go about this. 1)We could take a QB this time because we will only have 1 round 1 pick next time around,not 3 and I assume we would be roughly around pick 15 again and if you wanted a franchise QB it will cost you a ton(again like Wentz) to get into the top 5. Personally in the following draft I like Bryce Young,but he would be a top 5 no doubt. So your options in the scenario would be A) to take your QB now while you have these multiple picks,or B) wait until 2023 when you only have 1 pick,but could have a better team to entice a decent FA here and not need to use that pick on a QB. Of course if Hurts magically turns into a killer passer it's all moot. 2) This would be an indicator to me-trading back for a round 1 in 2023(which I personally believe is the best way to go) picking up either a late 1/early 2 AND a round 1 pick in '23 doesn't hurt our draft count,just a bit lower and the added 1 pick could be used to get up within striking distance of a top QB. As you state it depends what the scouts and Howie think,but recall Howie went to see Pickett in person and IDK that you do that without at least some interest(of course it was a home game so could all be spin and he just wanted to go lol). So this is a huge decision we need to make. I love the "Jalen is our QB next year" like we have someone else LMAO. I think its' erroneous on Siri's part to make this claim right now.it's BAD coaching. His response should have been "we will decide after camp". basically he slapped Shew in the face with this comment. Sorry,that is inexperienced/immature coaching right here

Very mature coaching to give full confidence in your QB1. Same reason you don’t bench him in that playoff game. Keep confidence high.

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Mayocks drafts for the raiders were lack luster probably worst then Howies drafting 

OH I disagree. Not his fault Ruggs was an immature eff up,Josh Jacobs was an excellent RB choice. Those choices put them contention for a playoff spot.Adding Foster Moreau was a great move(with or without Waller),so I think mayock is at least consistent,not all over the map like Howie 

37 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m feeling 80 percent we trade back one of our first round picks. By trading 15 we have a real good idea of whom will be there at 19 still. Theoretically trading our top pick but still getting our guys.

I'm feeling 99% we trade back on one of the picks.  It easily makes the most sense.   But the 1% is due to having another team needed in the trade.  We could also make the 2 picks first.  We could also make the pick at 15 to get our #1 guy first.   Doesn't have to be #15.

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Raiders barely snuck into the playoffs just like us raiders have a terrible defense and a meh offense. Think you are vastly overrated the Raiders compared to us. 

They also play in a much tougher division than we do

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OH I disagree. Not his fault Ruggs was an immature eff up,Josh Jacobs was an excellent RB choice. Those choices put them contention for a playoff spot.Adding Foster Moreau was a great move(with or without Waller),so I think mayock is at least consistent,not all over the map like Howie 

 But it was his choice to pick Ruggs just like it was his choice to pick Ferrell at #4  who is a rotational pass rusher at best and his choice to pick Arnette at CB who is off the team. 
 

6 first rounders in 3 years you can say 50% are successful you happy with that number??? I get the Howie hate he misses to many but Mayock hasn’t been better and he supposed to be the draft guru 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We control 16 and 19. Basically looking at these teams left playing. If you want to get inside the top twenty you come through us.

Good leverage. We could trade back BOTH 15,16 if the deal is hot enough.We know Howie will be dealing,we could trade both back,then trade back up a bit and we still have the 19 pick

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

They also play in a much tougher division than we do

Sure they play tougher Then is that 6 games out of the year in which they lost 3…. They also lost 2 games against our lowly nfc East against the Giants and Washington.

They beat two playoff teams both of which you could argue didn’t belong in the playoffs Eagles and Steelers. 

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In theory we could be raising the price of trading for 19 by the price of 15. Would be ideal if we traded 15 for a guy we wouldn’t be taking even at 19 though.

Dude... when you are asked the question... what does 1 + 1 = 

Why can't you just say 2...without making it a full scientific hypothesis?   We have 3 picks... we should get multiple offers, both prior and during.   We have a good chance of even getting a surprise last minute offer when we are on the clock.  We may like one guy enough to just take him at 15 and then trade.   Who knows.

And yes 15 could be the pick we trade. Let's just see what happens.   I do agree 15 is the most likely pick traded if it is done before the draft starts.   But who knows. 

What we do know...is anything that is said now, isn't worth paying attention to. 

59 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’d say Derek Carr is the huge difference give us Carr and I’d say we look like a drastically different team. But rest of the roster raiders have some edges Eagles win some neither is overly impressive in my book 

Except mayock is NOT afraid to draft at ANY position(this is why we have no LB'b or CB's) If someone asked me if I wanted Howie or Mayock to draft for us,I take the latter because he has zero "hangups" about drafting defense

45 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m figuring we should be getting top 15 guys on the Big Board with the 16th and 19th picks. At 16 hopefully a top 10.

If you're getting a top 10 at 16,I would be AMAZED

41 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Doesn’t make much sense. Your going to know who they are trading up to 15 for. So your getting your guy at 16. Tiny but slightly cheaper pay. You are selling a slightly better pick as well. Selling 15 not 16. If they want to take our guy that we think massively slid….then we aren’t trading anyway. If we want the same guy….they won’t be so interested in 16 anyway.

Unless pick 15 is the guy we want(he would be gone at 16 lol)

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Very mature coaching to give full confidence in your QB1. Same reason you don’t bench him in that playoff game. Keep confidence high.

Inexperienced and Immature to come out this early

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Very mature coaching to give full confidence in your QB1. Same reason you don’t bench him in that playoff game. Keep confidence high.

WRONG

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Except mayock is NOT afraid to draft at ANY position(this is why we have no LB'b or CB's) If someone asked me if I wanted Howie or Mayock to draft for us,I take the latter because he has zero "hangups" about drafting defense

Our lack of drafting LBs is an organizational thing not a GM thing. As for CBs we have invested at CBs through the draft just haven’t been successful at it outside of Maddox who has finally being used properly on the inside.

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

    We’d be paying the 16th pick instead of the 15th pick. Be the same guy. 
   They’d be trading for 15 instead of 16. Looks better for their trade values. Same player either way.

Traded 15 is slightly better for us. Has a slightly better look for the trade partner. Win/Win ….just makes sense on both sides.

These are MINUTE differences,please

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Our lack of drafting LBs is an organizational thing not a GM thing. As for CBs we have invested at CBs through the draft just haven’t been successful at it outside of Maddox who has finally being used properly on the inside.

Taking a "we know he is injured but we like the value" is not really building you team,it's taking a CHANCE,Jones is GONE=wasted pick

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Sure they play tougher Then is that 6 games out of the year in which they lost 3…. They also lost 2 games against our lowly nfc East against the Giants and Washington.

They beat two playoff teams both of which you could argue didn’t belong in the playoffs Eagles and Steelers. 

Your main point was enough.   Mayock is a TV guy...he did a little better than Howie.    But if you compare Raiders to the Eagles...if they swap... good chance Raiders win our division... Eagles would be picking top 10.   It's much different both division and conference.  That's before all the injuries to our opponents. 

We don't need to dive down too far...the dudes who get into the draft and watch these guys on TV... think these TV guys know it all.   It's like Ham, you make 100 " I called that"  then focus on the 5 you got right and all of a sudden dude looks like an expert.   

9 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Sure they play tougher Then is that 6 games out of the year in which they lost 3…. They also lost 2 games against our lowly nfc East against the Giants and Washington.

They beat two playoff teams both of which you could argue didn’t belong in the playoffs Eagles and Steelers. 

I'm sure losing their coach, a WR they had BIG plans for had no bearing at all

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Taking a "we know he is injured but we like the value" is not really building you team,it's taking a CHANCE,Jones is GONE=wasted pick

Dickerson was an he is injured but we like the vakue pick guess he wasn’t a building the team pick then just a chance 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

good chance Raiders win our division

2-2 in vs our division again think people over rating the raiders 

9 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Except mayock is NOT afraid to draft at ANY position(this is why we have no LB'b or CB's) If someone asked me if I wanted Howie or Mayock to draft for us,I take the latter because he has zero "hangups" about drafting defense

Lurie is the dude signing off on that pick...the LB thing goes way before Howie

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Very mature coaching to give full confidence in your QB1. Same reason you don’t bench him in that playoff game. Keep confidence high.

This was the most STUPID thing I have seen do date. Just send Shew away, you told him he has no chance even if he is better.Pathetic display of immaturity by Siri. You have camp to COMPETE. May as well put up your 2022 starting roster and tell the draft picks you have no chance here to start-very STUPID move

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm sure losing their coach, a WR they had BIG plans for had no bearing at all

And losing one of our best pass rushers and top RG had no bearing