7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Our lack of drafting LBs is an organizational thing not a GM thing. As for CBs we have invested at CBs through the draft just haven’t been successful at it outside of Maddox who has finally being used properly on the inside.

On draft day WHO is "the organization?

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Dickerson was an he is injured but we like the vakue pick guess he wasn’t a building the team pick then just a chance 

2-2 in vs our division again think people over rating the raiders 

My main point is Mayock would draft defense if that was the BPA and we all know Howie historically AVOIDS defense(other than linemen),so in my view that makes a differrence

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

On draft day WHO is "the organization?

The owner the guy who runs the show owns the team and who has been reported numerous times being involved in picks.

Linked both to Hurts and your favorite WR JJaw 

4 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Dickerson was an he is injured but we like the vakue pick guess he wasn’t a building the team pick then just a chance 

2-2 in vs our division again think people over rating the raiders 

When they played our division...who was injured for those teams?   That stuff matters.  They also beat some decent 9 win AFC teams.   They were better than us... not the argument you were making, which is the one to stick to...let the TV guy do TV.

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

My main point is Mayock would draft defense if that was the BPA and we all know Howie historically AVOIDS defense(other than linemen),so in my view that makes a differrence

Mayock isn't  coming here to draft.   Let's move on

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

On draft day WHO is "the organization?

Lurie is the main force in the philosophy... Howie in the specifics.

9 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

And losing one of our best pass rushers and top RG had no bearing 

IDK was that pre Mayock? I thought Mayock was doing a nice job rebuilding, Howie has had 5 years and we are still mediocre(if that)

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

They were better than us.

Which again I link to Derek Carr I do think the Raiders were better then us I don’t think the difference between the two team is some huge gap though…. You put Carr on both squads don’t think you see a huge difference 

3 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The owner the guy who runs the show owns the team and who has been reported numerous times being involved in picks.

Linked both to Hurts and your favorite WR JJaw 

I think he does what Howie says. I don't see him over riding him at all,maybe you do. Lurie is LESS of a "football guy" than Howie is

18 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If you're getting a top 10 at 16,I would be AMAZED

If three QBs go ahead of 16 it’s almost a lock

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I think he does what Howie says. I don't see him over riding him at all,maybe you do. Lurie is LESS of a "football guy" than Howie is

Think you have that flipped think Howie does what Lurie wants which is why howie keeps his job. 

Btw... getting back to trading 15 or 16.  If it's when we are on the clock...my guess is 16 gets traded.    Two reasons...

1 is if we want the same guy... we take him at 15

2 they want a different guy.   They would let us make our pick at 15 and then trade for 16.  

The scenario where we trade pick 15 is when we don't care who we lose at 15.  Which could also happen.  But this idea of knowing who they are going to draft and thus guaranteeing a pick 15 trade makes no sense.  But either way... the $ difference makes no impact at all.  To me, it comes down to the offers. 

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Lurie is the dude signing off on that pick...the LB thing goes way before Howie

No LB in our top ten on our Big Board I’d bet.

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Think you have that flipped think Howie does what Lurie wants which is why howie keeps his job. 

Mayb,e but I know Lurie is just a rich guy who wants results so he looks good at the country club dinner. He is less of a football guy than Howie,so I would imagine he listens to Howie unless he wants a must have guy for whatever lame reason he wants him

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Which again I link to Derek Carr I do think the Raiders were better then us I don’t think the difference between the two team is some huge gap though…. You put Carr on both squads don’t think you see a huge difference 

TV guy stay on TV

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No LB in our top ten on our Big Board I’d bet.

Probably not top 32

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Btw... getting back to trading 15 or 16.  If it's when we are on the clock...my guess is 16 gets traded.    Two reasons...

1 is if we want the same guy... we take him at 15

2 they want a different guy.   They would let us make our pick at 15 and then trade for 16.  

The scenario where we trade pick 15 is when we don't care who we lose at 15.  Which could also happen.  But this idea of knowing who they are going to draft and thus guaranteeing a pick 15 trade makes no sense.  But either way... the $ difference makes no impact at all.  To me, it comes down to the offers. 

Could use both 15,16,you have no competition for the 16 pick and trade back the 19

Just now, joemas6 said:

Btw... getting back to trading 15 or 16.  If it's when we are on the clock...my guess is 16 gets traded.    Two reasons...

1 is if we want the same guy... we take him at 15

2 they want a different guy.   They would let us make our pick at 15 and then trade for 16.  

The scenario where we trade pick 15 is when we don't care who we lose at 15.  Which could also happen.  But this idea of knowing who they are going to draft and thus guaranteeing a pick 15 trade makes no sense.  But either way... the $ difference makes no impact at all.  To me, it comes down to the offers. 

It’s as the draft unfolds process. We will want to know who they are trading up for though. That’s pretty customary. If you are going to take the same guy. Would you pay him 15 money or 16 money? Do you think the trade partner would prefer 15 or 16? We aren’t telling them our pick at 15 so they can pick 16. That definitively doesn’t make sense to me. They tell us their pick and we choose. I’m not telling them what I’d do at 15 so they can get 16. Pay the price for 15 or beat it!

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Mayb,e but I know Lurie is just a rich guy who wants results so he looks good at the country club dinner. He is less of a football guy than Howie,so I would imagine he listens to Howie unless he wants a must have guy for whatever lame reason he wants him

Neither are ‘football guys.’

See this is another stupid move by Siri,if he keeps his mouth shut, even if we weren't taking Pickett,we could smoke and mirror our way to getting more in a trade,but siri just toasted that since that takes a QB OFF THE TABLE for us.very stupid move. This is like showing your poker hand before the betting begins

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Could use both 15,16,you have no competition for the 16 pick and trade back the 19

I don't really care about which one we trade... the return is my focus.   Ideally for me...   if we trade down one of the picks, I'd prefer to get early round 2 plus a 2023 1st rounder from a team in that range.   

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Mayb,e but I know Lurie is just a rich guy who wants results so he looks good at the country club dinner. He is less of a football guy than Howie,so I would imagine he listens to Howie unless he wants a must have guy for whatever lame reason he wants him

And yet Lurie was the guy that wanted weekly meeting with Doug to critique him, Lurie who was adamant on drafting JJaw, Lurie who was a influential in us drafting Hurts…

Think Lurie has been way more involved in the football stuff then we like to assume not saying it’s for the best but he isn’t just some owner sitting there he is a lot closer to jerry Jones 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s as the draft unfolds process. We will want to know who they are trading up for though. That’s pretty customary. If you are going to take the same guy. Would you pay him 15 money or 16 money? Do you think the trade partner would prefer 15 or 16? We aren’t telling them our pick at 15 so they can pick 16. That definitively doesn’t make sense to me. They tell us their pick and we choose. I’m not telling them what I’d do at 15 so they can get 16. Pay the price for 15 or beat it!

Neither are ‘football guys.’

Howie "trained" for a year,Lurie-doubtful

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It’s as the draft unfolds process. We will want to know who they are trading up for though. That’s pretty customary. If you are going to take the same guy. Would you pay him 15 money or 16 money? Do you think the trade partner would prefer 15 or 16? We aren’t telling them our pick at 15 so they can pick 16. That definitively doesn’t make sense to me. They tell us their pick and we choose. I’m not telling them what I’d do at 15 so they can get 16. Pay the price for 15 or beat it!

Neither are ‘football guys.’

Oh.... they tell us their pick...  but we don't tell them ours???    😆

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I don't really care about which one we trade... the return is my focus.   Ideally for me...   if we trade down one of the picks, I'd prefer to get early round 2 plus a 2023 1st rounder from a team in that range.   

I'm wondering i we dont trade both 15,16 back if the benefits are worth it

6 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Btw... getting back to trading 15 or 16.  If it's when we are on the clock...my guess is 16 gets traded.    Two reasons...

1 is if we want the same guy... we take him at 15

2 they want a different guy.   They would let us make our pick at 15 and then trade for 16.  

The scenario where we trade pick 15 is when we don't care who we lose at 15.  Which could also happen.  But this idea of knowing who they are going to draft and thus guaranteeing a pick 15 trade makes no sense.  But either way... the $ difference makes no impact at all.  To me, it comes down to the offers. 

They are going to let us pick first at 15 so they can get their guy at 16? Your whole theory here is based on we are sharing our draft plans with a team behind us so they can decide whether to trade or not. Sorry but not one if your better ideas. Makes zero sense.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

See this is another stupid move by Siri,if he keeps his mouth shut, even if we weren't taking Pickett,we could smoke and mirror our way to getting more in a trade,but siri just toasted that since that takes a QB OFF THE TABLE for us.very stupid move

Don’t think Siri and Howie both who supported Hurts changes anything with how we approach the draft or QB…. If we feel like we can upgrade QB we will do it whether that be draft or trade(of course this all comes at the right prices) 

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Oh.... they tell us their pick...  but we don't tell them ours???    😆

Exactly how it works