9 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But the turnovers are on Wentz not Doug. I agree he could have helped more by calling a different game at that point but Wentz has to do a better of recognising the situation. 

In a sequence of events that goes negative... I always look at the first decision.  If you could analyze any game up to right before the half and your were at this point.

1.  Your opponent having 0 ....ZERO points.... and 98 yards of offense, without any ability to hit any kid of a deep play. 

2.  Wentz getting constantly hit and beat up.

3.  You receive the ball to start the 2nd half....

What would you do when the opponent fails to do anything and gives you the ball back with just over 1: 40 left in the half?    You have 2 timeouts and the ball on your 28 yard line?  

My thoughts at that point are simple ... I want to guarantee a 17-0 lead at half as much as I can.  I want to keep their offense off the field so as they mentally have to go into the locker room with zero success and know they have to wait to get the ball back after we have it next half (basically time is running out type of mentality for them)        The aggressive thought for me would be, I need 39 yards to get a 50 yard FG attempt for my kicker at the buzzer.  If I get an initial first down with 30 seconds left in the half and use one of my timeouts, I still can easily get another 25 yards or so in that time with having a timeout left.    I'm basically in the driver's seat if I run the ball on first down to get the clock moving to where I can see what happens after the first play or 2 and then decide if I play to  do one of 3 things ....1. go for a TD   2. go for a FG  or 3. simply run the clock out which would still leave me in TOTAL command of the game.  

Knowing all of this... and how HUGE a 17 point lead if when a team has less than half a game left and hasn't scored a point or reached 100 yards of offense yet... To me, the first bad decision of a negative sequence.... Doug not calling a run play and telling the QB do not audible into a pass under any circumstances.   From there, yes blame Wentz for the INT.   Later on though I don't go for it on my half of the field when I still have the lead and they still haven't shown the ability to drive the ball.  Regardless... the first bad decision was on the coach to simply not take a beautiful situation that was handed to him, and just do the common sense thing.  

 

 

 

34 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Seattle last year

IDk Joe,that was much better team than this was

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hard to know.I believe Wentz has the ability to audible at the LOS,so did he????

That's very true he does have the ability to do that. And it's one thing I always used to think Wentz was very good at. 

6 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Yes when they were averaging 1:17 rest from getting off the field and the O failing. D was gassed and the O wasn’t helping any didn’t even make Washington have to drive 

yeah I agree.Remember when we did this same thing before? When the D was always gassed? Another reason I want Freeman(or similar).Now IDK if Ped will do it,but Joe is right in the respect that we need to have the guys here who can grind down the field,get first downs while running the clock.Possibly Ped felt we didn;t have the RB's to accomplish that.IDK,just a guess.Watch a re-run of the browns game 4th quarter and watch how their RB's just destroyed Cincy

4 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's very true he does have the ability to do that. And it's one thing I always used to think Wentz was very good at. 

IDK either.All I know is one mistake led to an avalanche.You can't do that as pros.Mistakes happen,you have to suck it up and go back to your game."Forget the last play,it's over.We'll talk about it at practice and correct it"(as my coach told us all in HS)

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK either.All I know is one mistake led to an avalanche.You can't do that as pros.Mistakes happen,you have to suck it up and go back to your game."Forget the last play,it's over.We'll talk about it at practice and correct it"(as my coach told us all in HS)

That's my concern a lot of the time with Wentz. He makes a mistake and seems to be it really get to him. One mistake sometimes leads to more with him. Not always but he does sometimes appear really flustered on the sidelines. 

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's my concern a lot of the time with Wentz. He makes a mistake and seems to be it really get to him. One mistake sometimes leads to more with him. Not always but he does sometimes appear really flustered on the sidelines. 

Yeah,he still hasn't learned there are 10 other guys on the field to help him and that sometimes throwing the ball away is the BEST play.He makes a mistake and he think's it's all on him.I understand he is an Alpha male competitor,but sometimes being a competitor is also being smart and not losing games for your team.he never HAS learned this,I think he needs to

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah,he still hasn't learned there are 10 other guys on the field to help him and that sometimes throwing the ball away is the BEST play.He makes a mistake and he think's it's all on him.I understand he is an Alpha male competitor,but sometimes being a competitor is also being smart and not losing games for your team.he never HAS learned this,I think he needs to

Unfortunately I'm not sure that's every going to be something he corrects. He thinks that he can make a play every single time. Even with guys draped all over him he still is looking for the play. And that leads to those jaw dropping plays that make him so fantastic at times. But it also leads to costly sacks and turnovers. But how do you change that when it's within their mentality? Because Wentz will say that any time he can make a play so when is the right time to throw it away (in his head).

I would like to see Hurts dress for this reason.If Wentz makes a mistake,pull him out a series.Settle him down.Talk him out of making more bonehead mistakes.maybe this will teach him if he doesn't want taken out for a series,that he needs to buck up and stop being an idiot lol.IDK they used to call this "maturity"

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would like to see Hurts dress for this reason.If Wentz makes a mistake,pull him out a series.Settle him down.Talk him out of making more bonehead mistakes.maybe this will teach him if he doesn't want taken out for a series,that he needs to buck up and stop being an idiot lol.IDK they used to call this "maturity"

I don't think that would help with Wentz. I'm not sure that approach would help with any QB really. I get the idea and I'm theory yeah it's a good idea. But I just think it would make Wentz even more likely to go out there and try to force things to prove he is the man. 

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Unfortunately I'm not sure that's every going to be something he corrects. He thinks that he can make a play every single time. Even with guys draped all over him he still is looking for the play. And that leads to those jaw dropping plays that make him so fantastic at times. But it also leads to costly sacks and turnovers. But how do you change that when it's within their mentality? Because Wentz will say that any time he can make a play so when is the right time to throw it away (in his head).

Well one issue is he doesn't trust his O line(can't blame him),so he tries to offset their inept play,but that leads to making things worse yet

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

I don't think that would help with Wentz. I'm not sure that approach would help with any QB really. I get the idea and I'm theory yeah it's a good idea. But I just think it would make Wentz even more likely to go out there and try to force things to prove he is the man. 

Then he comes out again.This is on the coach.The coach has 53 other guys to think about

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well one issue is he doesn't trust his O line(can't blame him),so he tries to offset their inept play,but that leads to making things worse yet

Yeah but he does that by trying to extend plays and so in his head he's validated to do what he does. At least that's my thoughts on it. We don't know because we will never know what's going on in Wentz head. 

3 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

Yeah but he does that by trying to extend plays and so in his head he's validated to do what he does. At least that's my thoughts on it. We don't know because we will never know what's going on in Wentz head. 

No,but the coach should,or probe until he finds out.Can't over react to 1 bad play.yeah it was bad,it happens,lets move on,but we didn''t.We got stuck in bonehead mode.hats off to the no name team,they totally rattled us into defeat(and don;t think other teams aren't aware of how they did it)

We have guys back,we face a better team.lets see if we can pull together.I still don't forsee a win,but lets play like we should.If we bust and lose,you won't hear a thing from me.I have NP losing to the better team,I just hate when we take a loss from the jaws of victory 

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We have guys back,we face a better team.lets see if we can pull together.I still don't forsee a win,but lets play like we should.If we bust and lose,you won't hear a thing from me.I have NP losing to the better team,I just hate when we take a loss from the jaws of victory 

If we lose to the better team then yeah i agree. It'll suck and it won't be fun but if we play a good game, no stupid costly mistakes and we lose then we lose to the better team. That's something we are probably going to experience a fair few times this year with this schedule. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDk Joe,that was much better team than this was

If I'm looking at the whole game... Seattle last year.  To the point where we wwere winning 17-0 and should have went the common sense route to finish the game with some running, punting and continued dominant defense ...   Wentz was getting killed with hits, so the degree of difficulty was still there IMO.  Wash as a team, not so hot, but that DL is one of the top ones in the league. I think Wentz was the reason we were able to put up 17 points at that point.     Vs Seattle last year... probably the worst from start to finish for Wentz. 

15 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Yup, Kelce had two horrible plays that cost us yardage on running plays. The one where he got bullrushed and then another where he had a LB in is sights on a sweep and then turned and blocked a guy who was never going to get to the ballcarrier.

If you asked me two identify the two former pro bowlers on our line based solely on the tape from that game, Kelce and Peters would be my last two guesses.

This is the play I was talking about when Kelce just inexplicably turned and blocked the wrong guy.

And here's Tra talking about the play I highlighted.

 

1 hour ago, jsb235 said:

This is the play I was talking about when Kelce just inexplicably turned and blocked the wrong guy.

And here's Tra talking about the play I highlighted.

 

Pathetic

57 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This is the play I was talking about when Kelce just inexplicably turned and blocked the wrong guy.

And here's Tra talking about the play I highlighted.

 

So basically what we have harped on all week our OL play like crap lol...I wonder how our guess indecisive effected the OL.... I mean if I recall Driscoll and Herbig(not sure on him) were not getting 1st team reps. On top of not having preseason games to work out kinks basically seemed like we threw the 5 guys out there and hoped for the best 

33 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So basically what we have harped on all week our OL play like crap lol...I wonder how our guess indecisive effected the OL.... I mean if I recall Driscoll and Herbig(not sure on him) were not getting 1st team reps. On top of not having preseason games to work out kinks basically seemed like we threw the 5 guys out there and hoped for the best 

I am hoping having Lane back will help and Kelce and Peters will turn things around.

Last week against the Cowboys, the Rams played about 30 percent of the snaps in a 3-4 and about 70 percent in a 4-3, so they gave them a lot of different looks. The line will need to be in sync to pick up the rushers. It seemed like every time Dak held the ball for more than 3 seconds, he was getting hit. But his checkdowns were usually open. So Wentz had better be prepared to dump it off if his initial read is covered.

I did notice that the TEs for the Rams had some room, especially on seem routes, so we might find some success there. 

9 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

That's my concern a lot of the time with Wentz. He makes a mistake and seems to be it really get to him. One mistake sometimes leads to more with him. Not always but he does sometimes appear really flustered on the sidelines. 

It's my concern more with Doug.  But the trend seems to be there right.... KC in 2017... no running,  Wentz not great.  Carolina 2018, 17 point lead second half , no running , Wentz not great at the end.  Another trend in there... Remember Semaulo struggle vs KC, I forget who it was vs Carolina on the OL, but it was someone that we discussed, and same vs Washington. 

Basically,  I agree the end result is Wentz not playing great towards the back part of the game.  But my issue will still be with the in game coaching.  A pattern when Wentz struggles... we don't run enough when we should and the struggle on the OL.   

Last year Wentz pulled a Russell Wilson,  bailing the team out and winning despite bad circumstances.   But think big picture... Wilson hasn't won a title doing that.  We can say the same for Rodgers, Brees, Big Ben.... all QBs that played great in bad circumstances but didn't win.  

What else they have in common, when you surround them with the proper roster, they ride the wave and dominate both individually and with the ultimate team success.   

So I don't want a repeat of last year, with Wentz having to prove he can overcome things.. I want 2017 where he proves he can propel a good roster to the being the best team in the league and be an MVP favorite along the way. 

9 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would like to see Hurts dress for this reason.If Wentz makes a mistake,pull him out a series.Settle him down.Talk him out of making more bonehead mistakes.maybe this will teach him if he doesn't want taken out for a series,that he needs to buck up and stop being an idiot lol.IDK they used to call this "maturity"

Nope. This reminds me of when you wanted Sudfeld to start in the 2017 playoffs.  Wentz is your QB, there are no " breathers" Sudfeld is your backup now anyway.  But with this kind of trend with Wentz getting constantly hit... you may get your wish anyway. 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

So basically what we have harped on all week our OL play like crap lol...I wonder how our guess indecisive effected the OL.... I mean if I recall Driscoll and Herbig(not sure on him) were not getting 1st team reps. On top of not having preseason games to work out kinks basically seemed like we threw the 5 guys out there and hoped for the best 

This,in a roundabout way,is what I was talking about.There seemed coming out of camp to be  NO established "pecking order".Like you said it's like "well lets try this,if that doesn't work will try that,then this,then that lol.I can't imagine the linemen room when Ped comes in and says "next man up" and they all go "for WHAT?" Must be confusing all this shuffling.You can't have a starter and 3 4th string BU's because whomever gets the nod still isn't good enough.At any rate,guys coming back will solidify at least a part of this debacle.I hope Feeman comes in.I was pushing to get him before camp started.If we wants too much loot,there are still a few at least "decent" RB's out there looking for work

It seems Doug was annoyed at his press conference yesterday.   Good, stop doing bonehead stuff and you probably won't keep getting asked about it.   

28 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Nope. This reminds me of when you wanted Sudfeld to start in the 2017 playoffs.  Wentz is your QB, there are no " breathers" Sudfeld is your backup now anyway.  But with this kind of trend with Wentz getting constantly hit... you may get your wish anyway. 

So we disagree.Sometimes you get a rude awakening when you are pulled from a game even for a series.If coach sees Wentz struggling and costing the team with bonehead plays,I take him out and settle him down.We know he is good,he's not good when he's rattled,and frankly if you are sucking rocks,that's a momentum that needs reversed.Has nothing to do with taking away your confidence in him,just telling him to "ok get your head together",which should be done pre-game,but we all know QB's can be rattled(see Eli Manning)