There we go …..Julio Jonesbeing released. Modest one year contract should work.

22 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Right... so there really is no history of Green Bay with all these QBs... that you keep talking about.  Star, Favre and Rodgers... 3 guys in 60 plus years.

I would love to have that longevity

13 hours ago, stine said:

  Main reason I knew GB was going to re-sign Rogers. Love played in a couple games last year and looked pitiful. All of the GB fans that come to my house each week to watch GB play say he sucks. Sure you can make your own opinion. But Trading Hurts for Love would be a step backwards IMO. You know what I feel about Hurts too.

 

 

I see a good QB. I believe though he has alot of bad habits that need corrected. GB has no issue with sitting QB's until they are ready to play them. 2 pre season games doesn't tell you much, you know better than that friend. IDK how fast of a learner Love is, if his bad habits can be broken and reset,I think he will be a good one. Everyone wants "win now" so it's understandable why some feel he is a bust,but at times he makes some pretty WOW plays. He has the tools to succeed

9 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Your dismissing any advantages of having a veteran. Even Smith himself disagrees with you.

At what point does a player(WR) become a vet??? 3 years? 5? ,after they hit 1200 yards a game? I'd really like to know. Smith got more yards than alot of "vets" that arguably had better QB's.. If we need a vet, find one and add him to the STAFF!!!! As I said, we are in need of a WR and I am fine taking a FA(if they aren't our usual bargain basement guys), but I will still draft 1. I still like Robinson or Chark,but we will diddle around until they are gone. I'm not real certain JJ or Chase needed any advice on how the be a WR in the NFL

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2022/consensus-big-board-2022?pos=ALL  I'm looking and seeing some nice players for us in the 40's range,so a trade back for additional picks is definitely on the table. Right now I have day 1 as Ojabo(Edge), Davis(DT) ,Olave(WR) with a CB/LB in 2. My pick Kendrick seems to be falling into round 3,so a LB in 2 if we don't make a move to trade back. There are some edge guys we could get later with extra picks. it will be an interesting draft for us

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I would love to have that longevity

Right... it helps when you have Sterling Sharpe, Freeman,Driver,  Jennings, Nelson,Adams ...etc.    We had Carmichael, Quick and 1 year of T.O.   

Interesting to see Patrick Peterson say he thinks he would be a good fit for us. Could give us a strong CB trio for the next 3-5 years with Peterson/Slay/Maddox 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Right... it helps when you have Sterling Sharpe, Freeman,Driver,  Jennings, Nelson,Adams ...etc.    We had Carmichael, Quick and 1 year of T.O.   

LOL thats why I want a youthful WR corps(and keep them young and hungry). Also why I would like a passing QB. Hurts is fine as a fill in until we assemble a team, but we need to be more active in this FA period. We know we have the draft picks, but it would be nice to secure 2 young solid players. I REALLY want to avoid trading draft picks for old has beens. Wentz to McLauren will make life interesting for us lol

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LOL thats why I want a youthful WR corps(and keep them young and hungry). Also why I would like a passing QB. Hurts is fine as a fill in until we assemble a team, but we need to be more active in this FA period. We know we have the draft picks, but it would be nice to secure 2 young solid players. I REALLY want to avoid trading draft picks for old has beens. Wentz to McLauren will make life interesting for us lol

I mean Joe Burrow and Mahomes.... walk into a situation with multiple good receivers they can't really fail. I'm with you in building that WR Corp with young dudes,regardless if they sign a mediocre guy.   The next QB will be setup if he has a foundation of Smith another good young WR and Goedert.  

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

walk into a situation with multiple good receivers they can't really fail.

Except Mahoney only had 1 proven target in Travis Kelce. Wouldn’t say he had multiple good WRs.

sure Hill became one of the best but were you saying he was a stud WR after 1 good season that like projecting Smith to be a good WR 

 

25 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Except Mahoney only had 1 proven target in Travis Kelce. Wouldn’t say he had multiple good WRs.

sure Hill became one of the best but were you saying he was a stud WR after 1 good season that like projecting Smith to be a good WR 

 

Wasn't Alex Smith there when Hill started playing a season or two?  So I would say Mahomes has been in a good situation from the start.  Barring one SB matchup. 

2017,playing with Alex Smith in his 2nd season in the NFL... Tyreke Hill (the unproven option for Mahomes).. had 75 catches for 1183 yards and 7 TDs.     The Eagles could use an unproven 2nd option like that for the next QB to step right into.  Then add a Sammy Watkins type to that would be even better.  Great setup for a QB to start with.

Green, Boyd and Higgins... then Chase isn't a bad way to start either.    

None match the rich history of Philadelphia WRs over the years though. 

9 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I see a good QB. I believe though he has alot of bad habits that need corrected. GB has no issue with sitting QB's until they are ready to play them. 2 pre season games doesn't tell you much, you know better than that friend. IDK how fast of a learner Love is, if his bad habits can be broken and reset,I think he will be a good one. Everyone wants "win now" so it's understandable why some feel he is a bust,but at times he makes some pretty WOW plays. He has the tools to succeed

  He started one game during the regular season and played in 5 others last year. he was pedestrian at best. "Wow Plays?" You obviously did not watch him play last season. Perhaps you should google his games... For every nice play he has 3 terrible ones....

16 hours ago, joemas6 said:

No.. Stine has been opposed to WR....the whole time.  My point we need everything,  I'm not passing up anything because of mediocre free agent signing or anything on the roster.  I've said from the beginning this team needs everything, TE is the only one we are completely set.   

Then you guys started saying  multiple draft picks at each position...  taking to the extreme to try to make it sound Ike I'm stupid enough to say keep drafting the same position.  I've been talking about one pick each time.  Going into the draft I want the best player each time... I'm not passing up a position... obviously if you draft someone at a position,  it doesn't make sense to keep drafting there, at some positions it might make sense for multiple.   That's another conversation.  

My point has been the same and I'll stick by it...I'm not passing up any player that I feel is the top player due to our current roster( other than TE)  that roster changes as we draft though.  I assumed that was common sense and didn't need to be explained?   But on here sometimes you gotta keep reinforcing that 1 +1 =2.

  First, I am not opposed to drafting a WR. I do feel doing so in the first round should be avoided. Reasoning is the defense has holes at every level. At least the offense can score fairly regular. Second, the WR drafting class is really deep. You may be able to get a "Metcalf" Type in the 2nd round if the scouts did their homework. Anyway, it doesn't matter what we think. It matters what Howie thinks. I am sure he probably goes D-Line and CB in the first. Trading back with that 3rd pick. Drafting a s/LB/WR/RB in the 2nd. Depends on how they set up their board. GB and you are all in on another WR Round 1. I do not want another Reagor or Agholor...... We are terrible drafting WR's after pick 14. Granted, HR does not have a great track record on many positions...... I can only hope he drafts like he did in the beginning. Graham, Cox and Johnson were 3 of his first round 1 picks. The year he screwed up he did draft Kelce later on which was also a great pick.

  I will also add that, if Wilson or Williams is on the board when they draft and they feel he could be a pro Bowl WR, then they should grab him if no other player ranks equal or better. I would be disappointed, but I would understand the reasoning. BG feels Olave is a Pro Bowl WR. I am not so sure and most scouts feel the same way as he is the 3rd or 4th rated WR this year.... I could be wrong. It would not be the first time. But I do feel strongly that there are multiple WR's available in rounds 2-3 that might be better once we see them on the field.

I'm actually hoping LB and S get drafted in round 1.  My reason is that I believe the Eagles don't value the positions that high.   In other words, as you guys obsess about " grades" ... 5.1, 6.4 or whatever extremely scientific method makes you feel better... I absolutely believe a player from those positions either gets points deducted because they play those positions...or somehow they need to be graded much higher for the Eagles to draft them before OL, DL, WR or CB.   Although I guess it's been 20 years since a CB was taken 1st.   

If I had to guess... DL would be my position I think has the best odds to get selected with one of the picks.  I doubt they use all 3 picks.  I'm assuming a trade back with either 16 or 19 after they atleast lock in their first choice, which I think they do.  

Howie got an extension through 2025 just in case you all were worried this was his last year 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I'm actually hoping LB and S get drafted in round 1.  My reason is that I believe the Eagles don't value the positions that high.   In other words, as you guys obsess about " grades" ... 5.1, 6.4 or whatever extremely scientific method makes you feel better... I absolutely believe a player from those positions either gets points deducted because they play those positions...or somehow they need to be graded much higher for the Eagles to draft them before OL, DL, WR or CB.   Although I guess it's been 20 years since a CB was taken 1st.   

If I had to guess... DL would be my position I think has the best odds to get selected with one of the picks.  I doubt they use all 3 picks.  I'm assuming a trade back with either 16 or 19 after they atleast lock in their first choice, which I think they do.  

 I am really interested to see what they do. We can form our opinions all we want, but we are rarely right, so it will be interesting. Whatever they do, it had better be a benefit for the club. I am thru seeing the stupid picks.....

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

2017,playing with Alex Smith in his 2nd season in the NFL... Tyreke Hill (the unproven option for Mahomes).. had 75 catches for 1183 yards and 7 TDs.     The Eagles could use an unproven 2nd option like that for the next QB to step right into.  Then add a Sammy Watkins type to that would be even better.  Great setup for a QB to start with.

Lol here is what I find most amusing. Mahomes has a great situation because he had Hill who had one good season and Kelce 

But our weapons aren’t good because we have Smith and Geodart who put up similar numbers with way worse QB play then Alex Smith. 
 

Sammy Watkins was the most over hyped WR I’ve ever seen dude really never did anything he has 518 yards in 2018 for KC Quez had 650 last year 

2017 Top 3 targets for Mahomes before he took over(Kelce,Hill, Watkins) had a combined 2814 yards receiving 

Eagles last year top 3 guys(Smith, Geodart, Quez) had 2393 yards 

Alex Smith had 342/505 

Hurts had 432 attempts throwing last year. Alex Smith completed like 100 fewer passes then just attempted. 
 

Even adding Minshew 60 attempts we threw less then KC with an extra game though most our starters barely played that final game. 

Honestly my only point in all this nobody was sitting here in 2018 saying oh Mahomes has so many good weapons.

Yes Hill has become great, Kelce was a stud, Watkins wasn’t good it’s a far cry from Joe Burrow who had Boyd and Green at the start then Huggins emerged as a rookie then added Chase 

5 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

2017 Top 3 targets for Mahomes before he took over(Kelce,Hill, Watkins) had a combined 2814 yards receiving 

Eagles last year top 3 guys(Smith, Geodart, Quez) had 2393 yards 

Alex Smith had 342/505 

Hurts had 432 attempts throwing last year. Alex Smith completed like 100 fewer passes then just attempted. 
 

Even adding Minshew 60 attempts we threw less then KC with an extra game though most our starters barely played that final game. 

  There is no doubt that a WR will be added, whether in Free Agency or the draft, possibly both. With that being said, we will have ample tools for any QB we bring in. We may even add more next year. I am not worried about that position. It requires much less work then others. S/CB/D-Line and LB all need to be addressed even with the moves HR made so far....

36 minutes ago, stine said:

  There is no doubt that a WR will be added, whether in Free Agency or the draft, possibly both. With that being said, we will have ample tools for any QB we bring in. We may even add more next year. I am not worried about that position. It requires much less work then others. S/CB/D-Line and LB all need to be addressed even with the moves HR made so far....

I still don’t understand how you can sit here and say WR requires less work then CB or even LB at this point DL. 
 

WR-2 guys(Smith/Quez)- we have zero depth and don’t have a slot 

CB-2 guys (Slay/Maddox)- zero depth and don’t have another outside CB

LB- 2 guys(Edwards/Reddick)- zero depth need another traditional LB.

S- need two starters depth is alright with Epps and Wallace rather neither be full time starters though

Honestly WR/CB/LB are all basically the same looking to me in terms of work… definitely make the case more needs to be done at S and DL though 

Will be interested to see how the Eagles view McPherson though our 4th rounder from last season had bit of a rough rookie season in his limited snaps.

Id image at least one drafted on day 1. Could definitely see DL and WR as the other two first round picks if we actually keep all 3. 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I still don’t understand how you can sit here and say WR requires less work then CB or even LB at this point DL. 
 

WR-2 guys(Smith/Quez)- we have zero depth and don’t have a slot 

CB-2 guys (Slay/Maddox)- zero depth and don’t have another outside CB

LB- 2 guys(Edwards/Reddick)- zero depth need another traditional LB.

S- need two starters depth is alright with Epps and Wallace rather neither be full time starters though

Honestly WR/CB/LB are all basically the same looking to me in terms of work… definitely make the case more needs to be done at S and DL though 

   You read my first line?   There is no doubt that a WR will be added, whether in Free Agency or the draft, possibly both. IF that is done then WR is OK.......

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I still don’t understand how you can sit here and say WR requires less work then CB or even LB at this point DL. 
 

WR-2 guys(Smith/Quez)- we have zero depth and don’t have a slot 

CB-2 guys (Slay/Maddox)- zero depth and don’t have another outside CB

LB- 2 guys(Edwards/Reddick)- zero depth need another traditional LB.

S- need two starters depth is alright with Epps and Wallace rather neither be full time starters though

Honestly WR/CB/LB are all basically the same looking to me in terms of work… definitely make the case more needs to be done at S and DL though 

I actually like Epps as a starter with what I saw. He will improve from last season....