4 hours ago, stine said:

  He started one game during the regular season and played in 5 others last year. he was pedestrian at best. "Wow Plays?" You obviously did not watch him play last season. Perhaps you should google his games... For every nice play he has 3 terrible ones....

Hard to expect a rookie to play like Aaron Rodgers his first game LOL. I saw him make errors(like Hurts and most rookies) I also saw him wrist flick a 30 yard sideline pass under pressure (that is NOT easy to do and Hurts can't do it-yeah thats a WOW pass). It's obvious you have not watched all his film and you only look for the bad

4 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm actually hoping LB and S get drafted in round 1.  My reason is that I believe the Eagles don't value the positions that high.   In other words, as you guys obsess about " grades" ... 5.1, 6.4 or whatever extremely scientific method makes you feel better... I absolutely believe a player from those positions either gets points deducted because they play those positions...or somehow they need to be graded much higher for the Eagles to draft them before OL, DL, WR or CB.   Although I guess it's been 20 years since a CB was taken 1st.   

If I had to guess... DL would be my position I think has the best odds to get selected with one of the picks.  I doubt they use all 3 picks.  I'm assuming a trade back with either 16 or 19 after they atleast lock in their first choice, which I think they do.  

Ojabo,Davis,Olave(CB/LB in 2) is what I have right now. Some have us taking 2 LB's and a WR. I would not be against that. There are D players that we can use all through 2 and 3 which makes a trade back(or even more than 1) very feasible but edge and DL are definite Howie picks

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I still don’t understand how you can sit here and say WR requires less work then CB or even LB at this point DL. 
 

WR-2 guys(Smith/Quez)- we have zero depth and don’t have a slot 

CB-2 guys (Slay/Maddox)- zero depth and don’t have another outside CB

LB- 2 guys(Edwards/Reddick)- zero depth need another traditional LB.

S- need two starters depth is alright with Epps and Wallace rather neither be full time starters though

Honestly WR/CB/LB are all basically the same looking to me in terms of work… definitely make the case more needs to be done at S and DL though 

Right there with you on all this. A decent S I believe is needed more than CB. As a late LB I am alone liking Asamoah. I'd like to have the S Cross if we can get him later

51 minutes ago, stine said:

   You read my first line?   There is no doubt that a WR will be added, whether in Free Agency or the draft, possibly both. IF that is done then WR is OK.......

No I read it just fine but it made no sense because we can say that about CB and LB as well. Hence the reason I didn’t understand how WR requires less work then the other positions and why i gave my breakdown of each spot.

Though on LB I did forget about Taylor who was playing pretty well before he got hurt last season could be in line for a big jump this season. 

Wyatt they have very much been into this whole time. He has steadily climbed the charts. Senior Bowl. Combine. Now he’s first for a visit. Could be a smokescreen but…..I think we bring him in.

56 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No I read it just fine but it made no sense because we can say that about CB and LB as well. Hence the reason I didn’t understand how WR requires less work then the other positions and why i gave my breakdown of each spot.

Though on LB I did forget about Taylor who was playing pretty well before he got hurt last season could be in line for a big jump this season. 

OK, I get that..... I am assuming they address the WR position in some sort of fashion. I cannot assume that for the other positions.  Wr has been addressed 4 of the last 5 years in the draft and that one year we didn't we drafted a Solid TE.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lol here is what I find most amusing. Mahomes has a great situation because he had Hill who had one good season and Kelce 

But our weapons aren’t good because we have Smith and Geodart who put up similar numbers with way worse QB play then Alex Smith. 
 

Sammy Watkins was the most over hyped WR I’ve ever seen dude really never did anything he has 518 yards in 2018 for KC Quez had 650 last year 

So here is what is amusing.     Hill was in year 2.  So what do you need from him...2 good seasons?   In 16 games...not 17 games... he had 75 catches for 1183.   When was the last time we had that.   It's great comparing Quez to Watkins... find me the 2nd option that gets me 1183 yards.  A second option... how many times have we had a 1st option with that?     Idk the point you are trying to make...but our weapons are not anything close to what Mahomes has had his career.   They may develop into being close... I doubt it, but it's not close now.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hard to expect a rookie to play like Aaron Rodgers his first game LOL. I saw him make errors(like Hurts and most rookies) I also saw him wrist flick a 30 yard sideline pass under pressure (that is NOT easy to do and Hurts can't do it-yeah thats a WOW pass). It's obvious you have not watched all his film and you only look for the bad

if you say so. The Eagles are not going after him though. That I can bet my house on.

Next year will be 17 games... let's see Smith get 75 catches for 1183.  Would be excellent going into year 3 for the next guy.  Goedert isn't Kelce..  but it's still 2 legit pieces if we can get that other legit weapon. 

The thing with Kelce and Hill... just their physical abilities demand the extra coverage.  Smith seems legit....not the unique speed threat that Hill is... I like Goedert a lot, but he isn't the receiving threat that Kelce is.  But you add a 3rd guy... that's up at the Smith, Goedert level.... now we got something to start with for the next guy.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So here is what is amusing.     Hill was in year 2.  So what do you need from him...2 good seasons?   In 16 games...not 17 games... he had 75 catches for 1183.   When was the last time we had that.   It's great comparing Quez to Watkins... find me the 2nd option that gets me 1183 yards.  A second option... how many times have we had a 1st option with that?     Idk the point you are trying to make...but our weapons are not anything close to what Mahomes has had his career.   They may develop into being close... I doubt it, but it's not close now.

I also disagree with you. If you look at total yards Smith would have had as much as Hill had he been given the same amount of targets. Kelce is better now but will he be in a couple years? Watkins also had many more targets than Quez, so I actually think Quez is better! Is KC better, yes. Is it close? Also, YES....

1 hour ago, stine said:

   You read my first line?   There is no doubt that a WR will be added, whether in Free Agency or the draft, possibly both. IF that is done then WR is OK.......

Well we hope it will be ok.  We won't know anything until we see it.

1 minute ago, stine said:

I also disagree with you. If you look at total yards Smith would have had as much as Hill had he been given the same amount of targets. Kelce is better now but will he be in a couple years? Watkins also had many more targets than Quez, so I actually think Quez is better! Is KC better, yes. Is it close? Also, YES....

Stine... do you think there is a reason dude can get more targets?  Hill creates space.  You are turning into one of these " everything is stats analytics guys"    it's not close, come on now. 

3 minutes ago, stine said:

Is KC better, yes. Is it close? Also, YES....

Goedert and Smith ....  Hill and Kelce... you think it's close for the amount of concern and attention defensive coordinators and players have for those combinations across the NFL?  

Really shocked we been this quiet in FA… I was not expecting that many big name signings but I figured we would have signed some low tier guys 

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Next year will be 17 games... let's see Smith get 75 catches for 1183.  Would be excellent going into year 3 for the next guy.  Goedert isn't Kelce..  but it's still 2 legit pieces if we can get that other legit weapon. 

The thing with Kelce and Hill... just their physical abilities demand the extra coverage.  Smith seems legit....not the unique speed threat that Hill is... I like Goedert a lot, but he isn't the receiving threat that Kelce is.  But you add a 3rd guy... that's up at the Smith, Goedert level.... now we got something to start with for the next guy.

Smith needs someone to toss him the ball more to get 75 catches. How many targets did Hill Get?

 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Stine... do you think there is a reason dude can get more targets?  Hill creates space.  You are turning into one of these " everything is stats analytics guys"    it's not close, come on now. 

Are you Kidding me? The Eagles never throw the ball!

 Goedert had 76 Targets last year. He caught 56 for 830 yards. Kelce had almost double! 134 Targets for 1125 Yards. Had Goedert had that many targets he would have gotten more yards than Kelce! SMith 104 Targets as a rookie for 916 yards. Hill had 159 targets for 1239.  Do you think Maybe Smith would have gotten a bit closer had he gotten 55 more balls thrown his way?  Unreal you can even talk about space when Smith was wide open and Hurts didn't even look at him,!

  LMAO you are really not seeing the same QB as I am.

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Goedert and Smith ....  Hill and Kelce... you think it's close for the amount of concern and attention defensive coordinators and players have for those combinations across the NFL?  

Well, If the Eagles threw the ball 300 times to Goedert and Smith, I am certain clubs would pay more attention to them! 160 times? Not so much

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

So here is what is amusing.     Hill was in year 2.  So what do you need from him...2 good seasons?   In 16 games...not 17 games... he had 75 catches for 1183.   When was the last time we had that.   It's great comparing Quez to Watkins... find me the 2nd option that gets me 1183 yards.  A second option... how many times have we had a 1st option with that?     Idk the point you are trying to make...but our weapons are not anything close to what Mahomes has had his career.   They may develop into being close... I doubt it, but it's not close now.

Lmao your a clown… you bring up Sammy like he was great did nothing Quez a guy that started as like our what 4th option out produced him.

Hill in his 2nd year in 16 games had numbers and Alex Smith threw the ball way more then Hurts and he was the only other option outside of Kelce.

17 games Smith play what a series in the final games as a rookie 

Dallas Geodart played 15 games was splitting reps with Ertz to start the season and gave you what 200 less yards then Kelce….. 

And let’s not forget another massive factor Alex Smith being better then jalen Hurts…. Alex Smith COMPLETED nearly as many passes as Hurts attempted 

I mean damn Smith and Geodart gave you 200 less yards then the KC counter parts with worse QB play 

And Quez out produced the 3rd option with worse QB play. 

On a team that pass far less 

The logic makes zero sense to me oh Mahomes walked into great weapons….  But the Eagles weapons that producing very similar just aren’t good 

I’m not going to sit here and say Smitj/Geodart are going to be as good as Kelce/Hill but at the same time you are not going to tell me ANYONE was sitting at home in 2018 like oh Mahomes is walking into some great weapons… 

How about this: Smith and Goedert both had more than 14 yards per eeception last year with Hurts as a QB. Neither Hill or Kelce had 14 yards per reception with Mahomes as QB, yet we cannot compare the two? smh

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ojabo,Davis,Olave(CB/LB in 2) is what I have right now. Some have us taking 2 LB's and a WR. I would not be against that. There are D players that we can use all through 2 and 3 which makes a trade back(or even more than 1) very feasible but edge and DL are definite Howie picks

I absolutely do not think they will go LB....I'm not falling into the trap of " well this is the year"   until it happens, I'm going to always doubt it.  Part of the reason I wouldn't mind seeing it. Just so I can say that I honestly think they look at LBs as a choice.

7 minutes ago, stine said:

How about this: Smith and Goedert both had more than 14 yards per eeception last year with Hurts as a QB. Neither Hill or Kelce had 14 yards per reception with Mahomes as QB, yet we cannot compare the two? smh

Keep spinning the stats.   I mean talk yourself into Smith and Goedert are better than Hill and Kelce.   

You see my point yet about stats?   

Give me the " Miles Sanders yards per carry stat and why he is an elite RB...lol 

You guys are stuck on posotion groups to draft. I’m trying to realize what kind of defensive schemes we’ll feature.

45 minutes ago, stine said:

OK, I get that..... I am assuming they address the WR position in some sort of fashion. I cannot assume that for the other positions.  Wr has been addressed 4 of the last 5 years in the draft and that one year we didn't we drafted a Solid TE.

Stine..  you should just say.... I don't think the Eagles will pick a good WR.  So I want them to miss on a lower pick, not round one.  

That's legit and enough.    The argument over needs is irrelevant because we need everything. This idea of you need this more... you need everything to win... so any good player helps.  You are just expecting Agholor instead of Smith if it's round one... absolutely legit to feel that way.  

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Keep spinning the stats.   I mean talk yourself into Smith and Goedert are better than Hill and Kelce.   

You see my point yet about stats?   

Give me the " Miles Sanders yards per carry stat and why he is an elite RB...lol 

I have to go by what I see. You tell me Joe; Switch the QB's and which pair outshines the other? I do not have to talk myself out of anything! Smith is a elite WR and Goedert is under rated as a TE. He would have had top 3 stats with Mahomes as QB.