49 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Lmao just stop just stop Hurts isn’t even top 15 QB dude is a high end backup who struggles passing.

The only reason he should be consider over either Stafford or Ryan is that he is 23 but he isn’t remotely better then either 

You just don’t value or appreciate what Hurts brings to the table. I see how much quality the guy has. He’s so far behind Stafford and especially Ryan in football IQ though. I do believe Hurts can handle the biggest of moments. Guy is mentally so tough. I agree Hurts needs to improve as a passer. I absolutely expect him to. He has been constantly growing in his college and pro career. To me….it’s just a given he’ll improve and learn. I don’t think Hurts should need to be 80 percent of the offense like we started last year. I don’t think of him as having some HOF career ceiling. But I look at his converting third downs as crucial. Do it however you need to. That he does. Our extreme youth at WR has to improve. I believe WRs can make Hurts look better. He sure wasn’t throwing to Kupp, Woods, ODB and the others they have in LA. So I’m not going to hold Stafford  on some pedestal. Think he did enough to not kill them and allow them to win it all. McVay it too notch O mind. I’m not putting Siri on that kind of tier. So you put Hurts in a lesser O scheme with lesser WR and the stats even out to me. I like Hurts rushing ability. Think he’s elite at it. So that’s tough on DCs. So we should be able to take advantage of the D losing a player to QB spying. Think that’s on everybody talked about here. Bunch of tape on Hurts…and Siri now. That’s the hardest for any pro athlete….overcoming your weaknesses. Everybody has them. Some it destroys their effectiveness though. In the back of my mind I have worries that teams have a book on how to effect us and what we’re up to. Can Siri and Hurts keep evolving and adjusting to the league adjustments and study? I can envision it going in every direction really.  Want to be optimistic.

1 hour ago, matchew88 said:

I think the 1 year deals give away what Howie is targeting for the draft- DL, Safety/CB, and WR.

Don’t think Nelson has signed yet. Think we’d welcome him back….at a good price. So that might be getting close. But those seem like the highest likely targets for us anyway. CB and WR look to be rated all right there for us. Dline we can’t spend enough on. Really hope we get somebody special.

LOL.

Jarvis Landry is very quality and experienced. He’d be fairly ideal to help our young guys grow. Think he’s still playing at a high level also. Two years at a bargain price and I feel like he fell in our laps.

1 hour ago, matchew88 said:

I think the 1 year deals give away what Howie is targeting for the draft- DL, Safety/CB, and WR.

I think our roster gives away what we are targeting...  everything. 

20 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think our roster gives away what we are targeting...  everything. 

I don’t see us targeting Rb,QB, TE, off ball LB early. But I do agree we need a quality young stud added to each position room. The one year contract stuff is just a good way to go about business if we can. I’m already assuming Pascal will get extended. He’s not a top tier guy though. So sign one year and actually see how he fits before anything more. Epps is our FS. Not thinking Harris signing for one year does much of anything about the draft. But assuming from all Gannon’s coach speak he prefers more of the FS type S. Do his Cover Two looks. Also needs them to be capable to Man Up. Harris knows his stuff so he’s versatile playing multiple roles. Think it would be shocking if we took a S in round one. Just not our philosophy. Michigan kid, Dax Hill, I think deserves to be in the discussion though. He has some super qualities. Be nice to have a guy back there to keep the big plays down without doing it with super cloud coverages. Gotta get faster. Rosie finally noticed how plodding this team became. Can’t believe he thinks he fixed that already.

Just seems like if Rosie is choosing between Hill or CB……he’s going corner. Just how he thinks and values positions.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just seems like if Rosie is choosing between Hill or CB……he’s going corner. Just how he thinks and values positions.

Eagles never took a safety round 1.   I don't think it's going out on limb to pick the same positions that they take round 1 every year.   We have QB, OL, DL, WR and CB.  Same group every year.    Obviously we think the odds are lower this year with QB and OL.     Wouldn't surprise me with either though.     

I would love to see S or LB ,just to show it's an actual possibility.   My expectations are DL for sure... I would expect WR or CB...but who knows.

One of the few quotes I paid attention to by Rosie was how nothing has changed about how they view things when asked about what three first round picks afford. So S is a long shot. Off ball LB not happening. He has to take a guy on the line. That’s his top priority past QB. Actually think inside rush is valued more now than edge rush. Best QBs can get it out so quick now. Pressure up the middle effects every QB. Choosing between a Fletch pick or BG pick….he’s going interior. Feels like Cox helped change that culture. Donald absolutely highlighted how it can’t be done better or more effective. Also those interior Oline are less athletic. All the money going to T. So why not attack the Gs instead. Easier to double inside would be the downside. But the Rams have put on a clinic in how you deal with that. Obviously involves having somebody to help Donald. Think people would freak if we took two DT out of the three first round picks. But fast forward ahead and it actually could be great to have. Fletch is year to year now. Probably even get traded this year/time. Gravedigger is looking good. But if our youth pushed him out after two more seasons wouldn’t that actually be ideal. I’ve always been real high in Milton. But easily think we can get three guys involved very consistently. Especially these athletic first rounders we are seeing this year. I really like the idea of size on the Dline. Having a Fletch and Milton outside even. Really think that is tough to prepare for. Probably point at the Niners for that bruising bully ball style with great strength and size. So much specialty players. LBs all getting smaller. S gotta have speed and aren’t that old school style anymore. More like what the corners used to look like. So I’m liking the idea of zigging while everyone else zags. Loved how the team rallied around that physical take it to them identity on O last year. Size always wears the opponent down eventually. Think we could have a real big opportunity here to get bigger. Felt the Dickerson and Milton picks signaled this as the idea and what Siri wants. The Reddick signing is the opposite. But believe he could flourish even more around huge athletic bodies. The era looks to be finesse. Let’s get physical instead.

3 hours ago, matchew88 said:

I think the 1 year deals give away what Howie is targeting for the draft- DL, Safety/CB, and WR.

Those were all needs long ago anyhow

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Eagles never took a safety round 1.   I don't think it's going out on limb to pick the same positions that they take round 1 every year.   We have QB, OL, DL, WR and CB.  Same group every year.    Obviously we think the odds are lower this year with QB and OL.     Wouldn't surprise me with either though.     

I would love to see S or LB ,just to show it's an actual possibility.   My expectations are DL for sure... I would expect WR or CB...but who knows.

Money is always shifting. But every year S are available. CB…..it seems like there is always just one or two that break the bank. S money has climbed rapidly. But I agree with the team philosophy some here. If you hit on a Corner it’s more valuable than hitting on a S. Like 8 S available this offseason in FA. How many quality Corners. And I know….you’ll name some S and make a point about not passing on a HOF S to take a lame CB. I don’t think that way. Taking a lame player early is never acceptable. I still believe that money is a huge factor. You can’t spend everywhere. So getting a top WR is more valuable than a top TE. Just financial fact. Hitting on a LT is much bigger than a G. So if it isn’t a situation where the obvious pick fell real far to you I’m considering position. DT or S ranked next to each other…..I do believe in taking the DT. There are exceptional players that can break the rules. I loved Quenton Nelson. I love Linderbaum. Think Linderbaum will fall to us because the logic is league wide. Just follow the money. Every position is not created equal. Think it’s just naive to not factor this in. People get it with QBs. But it’s across the board. Corners make more than S. So you get a good one at either….you want the corner. I don’t think like I’m passing on my top ranked guy that’s a stud for some guy that’s mediocre at a more coveted position. That’s the draft prep. Scouting. Gotta have the draft beeded in each year. Positions have strentsht and weaknesses each year. But also there usually is a sweet spot with each class. Sometimes might just be twelve top guys then second round grades. Identify the talent drop off point. This is always a huge read on each draft. My plan would be to move around to take advantage of this. Also to not get stuck. I look heavy at Day Two every year. Who you can pull there usually makes or breaks your draft. Always studs on day two. Day one many times teams are fairly locked in who they gotta take for better or worse. Day two is all scouting. Everybody boards seem to split and vary much much more.

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Those were all needs long ago anyhow

I’m actually liking our CB situation. Having a good slot corner is soooo huge. Think we have one. Slay is playing ball. So two good corners is tough to complain about. Bring back Nelson and draft a top kid and we look great at that position. We have tons of young guys they are developing. Feel we have to get some payback in on that roster bloat. Need two of them to contribute. I don’t care which ones. But we have to get somebody developed and make the right choice. Can’t afford to give up on the guy that clicks in the league.

A lot of long-winded stuff there.   Yes, you and I wouldn't pass on a HOF level S or LB..I'm not so sure that our FO wouldn't though. I believe they look more at the money than we do.  Ironically though,  you can make an easy case that in 2017,the weakest position on the roster was CB.   They paid their safeties and enabled them to save from paying a top CB.  All different ways to look at it.  

I'm still not convinced they don't OVER- PRIORITIZE  positions though.   You guys know more than me, but my memory recalls Earl Thomas as being ahead of BG as a prospect?  Plus the need was there in spades.    They traded up for BG.  Idk, but that seems like it goes a little too far in that direction? 

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You just don’t value or appreciate what Hurts brings to the table.

I value a QB that can pass you know there primary job as a QB…. Being able to run is a nice bonus but only if they can pass. 

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

absolutely expect him to. He has been constantly growing in his college and pro career. To me….it’s just a given he’ll improve and learn.

Dude has been a starting QB since high school started 4 years in college and just finished his 2nd season as a pro QB and still looks way below avg. as a passer.

I just don’t see a high ceiling for the guy. Be a fantastic backup one of the better backups in football. But as a starter he is lack luster 

We can do a quick QB breakdown to pin point Hurts. 
1. Brady 2. Rodgers 3. Mahomes 4. Herbert 5. Russ 6. Burrow 7. Allen 8.Stafford 9. Lamar 10. Kyler 11. Watson 12. Ryan 13. Carr 14. Dak 15.Mac Jones 16. Tannehill 
 

was just numbering to keep count but that’s half the teams I’d say have better starters then us for sure. 
We are around the Kirk cousins level who I’d probably still give a slight edge to over Hurts. And both those guys are poised to fall further down with guys like Lance and Lawrence possibly Fields taking big leaps 

13 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Trading down for the sake of just trading down doesn’t work for me. Give me a good enough offer and I’ll consider.

  Ham, I read an article a couple weeks ago that stated all NFL teams do not have 32 round 1 graded prospects. Heck, some years there are only 1 dozen! With that being said, Eagles may only have 14-16 round 1 graded players and a couple of them could be OT or OG. IF that is the case, they will look to move out of round 1 should the players they are looking at are gone. Otherwise we will see a "Reach" again. I do not want to see that, do you? Of course they could have 24 round 1 graded players and this is all moot....

 

 

9 hours ago, matchew88 said:

I think the 1 year deals give away what Howie is targeting for the draft- DL, Safety/CB, and WR.

  There are quite a few DT's available round 2. Could be another reson the Eagles move back and grab a 1st rounder next year...

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think our roster gives away what we are targeting...  everything. 

  Dead Money says we don't make too many moves this year. over 36 mil. Next year this drops to 15 Mil. Much easier to navigate Free Agency.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

One of the few quotes I paid attention to by Rosie was how nothing has changed about how they view things when asked about what three first round picks afford. So S is a long shot. Off ball LB not happening. He has to take a guy on the line. That’s his top priority past QB. Actually think inside rush is valued more now than edge rush. Best QBs can get it out so quick now. Pressure up the middle effects every QB. Choosing between a Fletch pick or BG pick….he’s going interior. Feels like Cox helped change that culture. Donald absolutely highlighted how it can’t be done better or more effective. Also those interior Oline are less athletic. All the money going to T. So why not attack the Gs instead. Easier to double inside would be the downside. But the Rams have put on a clinic in how you deal with that. Obviously involves having somebody to help Donald. Think people would freak if we took two DT out of the three first round picks. But fast forward ahead and it actually could be great to have. Fletch is year to year now. Probably even get traded this year/time. Gravedigger is looking good. But if our youth pushed him out after two more seasons wouldn’t that actually be ideal. I’ve always been real high in Milton. But easily think we can get three guys involved very consistently. Especially these athletic first rounders we are seeing this year. I really like the idea of size on the Dline. Having a Fletch and Milton outside even. Really think that is tough to prepare for. Probably point at the Niners for that bruising bully ball style with great strength and size. So much specialty players. LBs all getting smaller. S gotta have speed and aren’t that old school style anymore. More like what the corners used to look like. So I’m liking the idea of zigging while everyone else zags. Loved how the team rallied around that physical take it to them identity on O last year. Size always wears the opponent down eventually. Think we could have a real big opportunity here to get bigger. Felt the Dickerson and Milton picks signaled this as the idea and what Siri wants. The Reddick signing is the opposite. But believe he could flourish even more around huge athletic bodies. The era looks to be finesse. Let’s get physical instead.

Davis is only 1st round worthy DT and he will be gone before the Eagles Pick. More likely they grab a DT in Round 2.

1 hour ago, stine said:

Davis is only 1st round worthy DT and he will be gone before the Eagles Pick. More likely they grab a DT in Round 2.

I’ve seen both Georgia DTs regarded as first rounders and seems like both guys are right around where we pick in that 15-20 range 

58 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I’ve seen both Georgia DTs regarded as first rounders and seems like both guys are right around where we pick in that 15-20 range 

  Yes, I have seen some player Rankings, none had more than 1 DT in the top 20. One had none as a 1st rounder. So the question is, "What do the Eagles think?". Maybe they do not have anyone graded as a 1st round pick. Maybe they have two. Most likely they have 1. Whether or not they want to possibly trade up for him is another matter. Maybe best to trade back and get more ammo. I feel it is very likely they either grab a DE, CB or a WR with the first 2 picks. Of course all know what I would prefer. What I want means little to Howie though....

OK, Here is what I do not want to happen!  QB with First  Pick and not address the back end of the Defense until the 4th round with all those CB's available at 15!

  UGH! So that is probably what will happen....

https://www.phillyvoice.com/eagles-only-mock-draft-version-4-0-kenny-pickett-jordan-davis-chris-olave/

 

 

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/ranking-the-top-10-nfl-offseason-transactions-tom-brady-unretiring-deshaun-watson-blockbuster-headline-list/

 

  Much more acceptable..... Although I would love to attain more picks...

10 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Those were all needs long ago anyhow

Howie likes to think himself a man of intrigue, saying we don't want to give out 1 year deals, then giving out 1 year deals and saying we don't want to draft by need in the draft.

So it starts to be pretty transparent.