Joe is right, in that we need almost every position in the draft. GB is right that we need another #1 WR. I am right that we need to address the defense heavily. Heck, we are all right. Problem is Howie does whatever Howie wants to do, regardless of what we all feel. Look at the draft board. If DT and LB are heavy in the 2nd round and CB's are heavy in the first, then draft a CB. It is not rocket science. You are the GM and are fairly confident that your insight of what other teams need and will do. See what player(s) are going to be there round 1 and round 2. Trade if you feel confident about the depth from picks 33-64. Trade back if you feel that there is not any 1st round graded players after pick 16. Grab what you can for later rounds and/or next year. We all know that having 2-3 first round picks next year could translate INTO a future star QB. We have talked about next year's QB crop and how much better it is than this one.....

    Anyway, I cannot wait to see how our GM screws us this year. What player(s) does he leave on the board for Dallas to scoop up?

If you look at the past 5-6 drafts, you will see that at least 6 WR's go in the first 3 rounds that are solid players. Many go in the 2nd and 3rd. So if we don't draft WR in round 1, we may get that guy in 2 or 3. Of course how well did our scouts do? Maybe they should hire GB!

2 hours ago, stine said:

  Yes, I have seen some player Rankings, none had more than 1 DT in the top 20. One had none as a 1st rounder. So the question is, "What do the Eagles think?". Maybe they do not have anyone graded as a 1st round pick. Maybe they have two. Most likely they have 1. Whether or not they want to possibly trade up for him is another matter. Maybe best to trade back and get more ammo. I feel it is very likely they either grab a DE, CB or a WR with the first 2 picks. Of course all know what I would prefer. What I want means little to Howie though....

My guess the Eagles have two DTs rated as first round guys just like the rest of the league both Georgia DTs but that is just my guess. 
 

DL as a whole needs to be address and honestly make the case we need interior more then edge. 
 

The edge you have Sweat/Graham/Reddick. Not worried if Reddick lines up on the line or as a standing rush LB what matters to me is these 3 guys are all going to be primarily pass rushers off the edge 

11 minutes ago, stine said:

If you look at the past 5-6 drafts, you will see that at least 6 WR's go in the first 3 rounds that are solid players. Many go in the 2nd and 3rd. So if we don't draft WR in round 1, we may get that guy in 2 or 3. Of course how well did our scouts do? Maybe they should hire GB!

WR in the 1st WR in the 3rd doesn’t make a difference to me as long as they are good. 
 

Pascal doesn’t give me a ton of confidence though with Hurts throwing doesn’t make a difference what we have out wide 

5 hours ago, stine said:

  Ham, I read an article a couple weeks ago that stated all NFL teams do not have 32 round 1 graded prospects. Heck, some years there are only 1 dozen! With that being said, Eagles may only have 14-16 round 1 graded players and a couple of them could be OT or OG. IF that is the case, they will look to move out of round 1 should the players they are looking at are gone. Otherwise we will see a "Reach" again. I do not want to see that, do you? Of course they could have 24 round 1 graded players and this is all moot....

 

 

Stine.... how about you forget the rounds...  and just look at it like they have a 15th, 16th and 20th best player?     

Because to me...  if you have a top 32 list....that is your first round grade.  Because the first round is 32 picks. 

That said, I'm 100% on board with a trade back to 32-38 or so, for those bad teams that I expect to have a top pick next year. 32 is Detroit not the Rams, so I included that pick.

5 hours ago, stine said:

  Dead Money says we don't make too many moves this year. over 36 mil. Next year this drops to 15 Mil. Much easier to navigate Free Agency.

Cap space is the  # to look at, not dead money.  But I agree with next year being more involved in free agency if possible. 

1 hour ago, stine said:

 

    Anyway, I cannot wait to see how our GM screws us this year. What player(s) does he leave on the board for Dallas to scoop up?

Well... according to you it won't be a player graded as a 1st rounder?    

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Well... according to you it won't be a player graded as a 1st rounder?    

  Yep, No NFL Team has 32 players they feel are worth a 1st round pick. That being said, no Team's chart are alike, so every team may have different players listed. Some teams drop players due to off the field issues. Others will leave that player on the board. Some feel a player is an injury risk while others are not worried. And some scouts see a player differently as other teams. There are lots of reasons one team may like other players in round 1. But no team will have a full 32 listed as round 1 prospects.

I remember reading about a draft and one GM said that he had a player rated as a 1st round grade so he could not pass him up in the 3rd round. I am guessing there were others ranked the same or he would have drafted that guy earlier, but you never know how these GM's work..... No one knows how Howie works lol

19 minutes ago, stine said:

  Yep, No NFL Team has 32 players they feel are worth a 1st round pick. That being said, no Team's chart are alike, so every team may have different players listed. Some teams drop players due to off the field issues. Others will leave that player on the board. Some feel a player is an injury risk while others are not worried. And some scouts see a player differently as other teams. There are lots of reasons one team may like other players in round 1. But no team will have a full 32 listed as round 1 prospects.

So then what is the concern over the Dallas pick then?   Are we really worried about a franchise that hasn't made a conference title game in what ...almost 30 years?     

They beat us every draft right???.  How has that worked out for them?

8 hours ago, stine said:

  Ham, I read an article a couple weeks ago that stated all NFL teams do not have 32 round 1 graded prospects. Heck, some years there are only 1 dozen! With that being said, Eagles may only have 14-16 round 1 graded players and a couple of them could be OT or OG. IF that is the case, they will look to move out of round 1 should the players they are looking at are gone. Otherwise we will see a "Reach" again. I do not want to see that, do you? Of course they could have 24 round 1 graded players and this is all moot....

 

 

With all the spots we need filled/upgraded,trading back multiple times makes sense in this draft. A boatload of round 2 players that can help our team. I would like 1 STUD, 2 would be a luxury but IMO if we can trade back and add 5/6 players who contribute on day 1,you have gone a long way in the rebuild process

11 hours ago, matchew88 said:

Howie likes to think himself a man of intrigue, saying we don't want to give out 1 year deals, then giving out 1 year deals and saying we don't want to draft by need in the draft.

So it starts to be pretty transparent.

Well the spots you mentioned are spots of concern almost on an annual basis,so nothing is transparent to me except how Howie avoids top defense skill positions(CB,S,LB). It seems he would rather "fill in" with cheap FA's than draft these positionals. Apparently he feels we A) don't have the staff to develop them or B) he can't scout these positions and make decisions based on his scouts opinions. IDK why this is an issue over decades of avoidance. HIRE the staff you need to develop these D players,that should have been done long ago. Then you can draft these positions with confidence. Howie loves his linemen,still think he goes there first. Nothing wrong with that,but he needs to "expand his horizons". DT/Edge will be the first 2 in my view

10 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

We can do a quick QB breakdown to pin point Hurts. 
1. Brady 2. Rodgers 3. Mahomes 4. Herbert 5. Russ 6. Burrow 7. Allen 8.Stafford 9. Lamar 10. Kyler 11. Watson 12. Ryan 13. Carr 14. Dak 15.Mac Jones 16. Tannehill 
 

was just numbering to keep count but that’s half the teams I’d say have better starters then us for sure. 
We are around the Kirk cousins level who I’d probably still give a slight edge to over Hurts. And both those guys are poised to fall further down with guys like Lance and Lawrence possibly Fields taking big leaps 

Even your Hatorade is calling Hurts middle of the pack already. Improved every year in college and the pros.

8 hours ago, stine said:

Davis is only 1st round worthy DT and he will be gone before the Eagles Pick. More likely they grab a DT in Round 2.

IDK if he will be gone.It will be close IMO. If we need to move a little,I believe we should do it. I'm looking at pick 12 or 14. I would not move more than that. if he goes trade back. Some have him going around 17,so we will just have to see how it plays out. I have him at 15 and Karlaftis at 16. Olave or another WR at 19. 

1 hour ago, stine said:

  Yep, No NFL Team has 32 players they feel are worth a 1st round pick. That being said, no Team's chart are alike, so every team may have different players listed. Some teams drop players due to off the field issues. Others will leave that player on the board. Some feel a player is an injury risk while others are not worried. And some scouts see a player differently as other teams. There are lots of reasons one team may like other players in round 1. But no team will have a full 32 listed as round 1 prospects.

IDK,if you are at pick 30-32 you need to have a first round pick in place.You can't have a blank board because you will miss the top 16 lol

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

So then what is the concern over the Dallas pick then?   Are we really worried about a franchise that hasn't made a conference title game in what ...almost 30 years?     

They beat us every draft right???.  How has that worked out for them?

IDK they have some excellent players. IDK why they(scumboyz) can't put this together.It's kind of WEIRD the amount of talent they have. The only explanation I can come up with is they are all "ME" players and they don't work as a team together and everyone makes a killer play, then another blows the play that loses the game. I am anxious to see our record this year when we play the teams we faced last year with 1/3 of them out or starting 4th string QB's.  The SAME record to me would be impressive 

1 hour ago, stine said:

I remember reading about a draft and one GM said that he had a player rated as a 1st round grade so he could not pass him up in the 3rd round. I am guessing there were others ranked the same or he would have drafted that guy earlier, but you never know how these GM's work..... No one knows how Howie works lol

IDK if Howie knows how Howie works. Picking is easy when you have a top 5. It's really hard to muff that. Howie is very strong drafting in the later rounds(4,5). I think he would draft better if he just relaxed and didn't try to outsmart himself to satisfy his ego. This is a terrific draft for us,one we probably won't see for quite some time. This needs to be the draft we nail. It's a sad commentary when fan boards can draft better than Howie. Perhaps on draft night there should be a live concensus fan pick that he can use to back up his next choice. IDK anyone who had Reagor over JJ. But please, when a pick is so obvious, you need to make it instead of trying to outsmart everyone in the room. I also recall the vid where Howie made a pick a staffer didn;t like and he avoided Howies high 5. I wish I knew the player he wanted that Howie overruled LOL(if I recall that was round 4? was that Milton Howie took)

I'm still sticking with Christian Watson if we choose to wait until round 2 for a WR. The only other at the point is Metchie. Round 2 is my cutoff for drafting any WR that will be helpful.Watson is not polished, but he has an immense ceiling.; IDK how I feel about Reagor. I want him replaced. A kid like Watson could take over as the year goes on,but I don't consider him a day 1 starter,so I still feel a WR in 1 is the way to go. Olave is a guy like Smith,Watson is more the Alshon posession type. Both are nice to have. Depends on what you want your offense to look like

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Even your Hatorade is calling Hurts middle of the pack already. Improved every year in college and the pros.

Ham, does it matter.. he isn't going to be here much longer.  After this year it's when he is eligible for the real $$... you see what these guys are getting.  No chance he gets that here.

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Even your Hatorade is calling Hurts middle of the pack already. Improved every year in college and the pros.

In college he didn't improve, he transferred because he wasn't good enough to take the starting job away. When you transfer to a college that had no QB it's easy to start lol. I don't hate Hurts at all. I just don't feel he is the QB for this team the way we want to play. IMO he is a place holder while we get this team in shape. We waste Smith's talents because Hurts doesn't have the arm or the accuracy to hit this kid. Even so, he got 900+ yards before we figured out how to play football(week 6). I believe if we get him another WR he can hit 1,000 yards

FWIW:
 

https://www.si.com/nfl/eagles/news/checking-in-on-eagles-salary-cap-and-who-might-be-on-their-radar

14 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Even your Hatorade is calling Hurts middle of the pack already. Improved every year in college and the pros.

The fact you happy with middle of the pack is sad. 
He is at best the Kirk Cousin/Wentz/Goff group honestly could put him behind all those guys. Then you have guys like Lawrences/Wilson/Fields/Mills/ Lance who very easily could pass that group. 
Honestly probably put Hurts with Winston maybe behind him. Think Mariota will be better then him as the starter as well if he is healthy. 

As for improving he looks the same to me your going to seat here and say his accuracy improved from rookie year to 2nd well sure I’d be accurate also when I throw behind the LoS majority of the time or below 5 yards.  Even with all those accuracy padding throws he was what at 62% 

Nothing when I watch Hurts screams this guy is going to be a good QB. It isn’t hating just my opinion I’m not going to sit here wear some eagles colored glasses say he is going to be great just because he is an Eagle

Saying we might bring back Barnett if we can get him cheap to be more a run defender in a rotational role might be alright. Definitely a disappointment with where we drafted him 

15 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK,if you are at pick 30-32 you need to have a first round pick in place.You can't have a blank board because you will miss the top 16 lol

  These teams will try to move up if they feel a player they like is available. IF not they will try and move back. Of course, they may have players left on their board they feel are #1 picks. As I said before, No teams draft board is alike. Teams like KC often take gambles on players with off the field issues. Maybe they have to because they are always picking so late. But they won't have a blank board. They will simply take the best available player and hope he works out. Just because they don't have 32 players rated as #1 picks, doesn't mean they don't have players to draft should they not be able to trade back. When you are picking so late, you need to have a plan set with Players you feel will be available should you not be able to move up or down....

18 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Stine.... how about you forget the rounds...  and just look at it like they have a 15th, 16th and 20th best player?     

Because to me...  if you have a top 32 list....that is your first round grade.  Because the first round is 32 picks. 

That said, I'm 100% on board with a trade back to 32-38 or so, for those bad teams that I expect to have a top pick next year. 32 is Detroit not the Rams, so I included that pick.

 Because no NFL team thinks like that Joe. Sure it is very simplistic way of thinking. They have their boards set up in "Tiers" Groups of players they feel are "Potential Pro Bowl" and then Potential Day 1 starters and so on. They do not always work out as projected, but that is how teams do it. Within these Tiers they put a # on each player and this number goes from 1 to whatever number is last on their list... 150? Maybe they draft solely by this board. Maybe they have notes to try and trade back if someone is gone. They all have a plan set for the draft. Not sure what the Eagles plan is though. Reagor, Agholor, Marcus Smith and Watkins all should not have been their highest rated player. Maybe Lurie had something to do with it??