23 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

You don't see it with this kid GB is talking about though?    

Because if you compare... Graham we moved up to get using some decent picks.     Right now we have 3 firsts, could easily have the opportunity to select multiple players early in this draft as compared to 2010 when we selected Graham and had a bulk of them on day 3.  

By comparison...the dream team was the following year, the all in investment.    I'm not seeing it as paramount that we get production in 2022 and 2023 from any one pick.   Not with all the picks we should have, we could afford to wait for one if he turns out to be Graham.

Loved some Trent Cole. Like fifth round pick that produced rookie year. 

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We aren’t getting anywhere if guys can’t practice, play and grow. Got a new young coaching staff. Need them coaching these guys though as much as possible. Need them growing together.

Agreed if it was one pick.   Again, the # of picks should easily allow to wait on production...  like the guy you " called" in Graham.   The reason to pass is not because he won't play until November,  but because you feel he will never be that good and there is a player with better potential when we select.   

The " I'd prefer he practice immediately "  is similar to going overboard on one particular thing... ie " speed" that led to the 2020 picks.  You get Reagor over Jefferson because one factor like that was all that mattered.  

If you have several options….why opt for the developmental guy that can’t practice?

Tearing his Achilles….at his Pro Day. Such a significant injury. Just soooo late an injury.

Just so much risk. The reward could be great. But at what price are you paying?

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

If you have several options….why opt for the developmental guy that can’t practice?

Because if he is a better player than the other guy from 2023 to 2032... it makes him a better pick.   You should select the guy you think will have the better career,not the better practice in June.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Because if he is a better player than the other guy from 2023 to 2032... it makes him a better pick.   You should select the guy you think will have the better career,not the better practice in June.

So you’ll take him at 15?

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Tearing his Achilles….at his Pro Day. Such a significant injury. Just soooo late an injury.

Just so much risk. The reward could be great. But at what price are you paying?

Idk.. depends what I think the reward could be from the other choice I would make at the time.   That will dictate which pick I'm willing to use. 

I assume you would be against using pick 15... but be ok using the 6th round pick.... so the answer obviously is somewhere in between...the factor should be the available players at the time of selection?   

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Love me some Olave,then pick up the Watson kid. I think he will kick some A. he's too rough to start but with grooming he could be a nice BU WR for us(Watson)

 Christian Watson is instantly the 2nd best WR on this team.

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Anyway Olave is refined and NFL ready. If we traded back(maybe more than once) if I could take Watson,I  would. He is a possession/Alshon type. Smaller school,still the talent shows through and with a little work could be a starter. I think he would be killer in the slot with Smith and Olave outside

 He's not a slot WR, he's 6'4" and has 4.36 speed.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Add in Pascal in the slot and you have a nice WR group going. The Watson kid is more the Alshon type,big possession WR,so if I can snag him I will. Needs polished but depending on what we do at QB in the future he could be a guy ready to go

Watson is not the "Alshon type."  Kid ran an official 4.36, Alshon a 4.48. Also outjumps Alshon by 2" and is also 2" taller. Also beat him in the broad jump by 14". Watson may be the best specimen from an athletic measurables standpoint in the last 10 years. Yes, he's a little less polished then the big school guys, but the kid can take the top off a defense in a way Alshon could only dream of. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ojabo,Wyatt,Hill can all be had in LATE 1

Devonte Wyatt will go top 19...preferably here.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you’ll take him at 15?

Why at 15?  Isn't the discussion if we trade down and he was picked up later?

My assumption here... he will not get selected until a team comes to their 2nd selection... I doubt anyone uses their 1st pick on him.    So you can figure it out... I'd probably start to think about it at 19 if I liked what we did prior.   Idk how they look at him though.  Plus like you, I assume we address DL by the time it gets to 19.  A few factors come into play where I would "consider it"     My point, I'm not crossing him off the board completely because of his availability in June.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Why at 15?  Isn't the discussion if we trade down and he was picked up later?

My assumption here... he will not get selected until a team comes to their 2nd selection... I doubt anyone uses their 1st pick on him.    So you can figure it out... I'd probably start to think about it at 19 if I liked what we did prior.   Idk how they look at him though.  Plus like you, I assume we address DL by the time it gets to 19.  A few factors come into play where I would "consider it"     My point, I'm not crossing him off the board completely because of his availability in June.

It affects his value clearly is my point

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So you’ll take him at 15?

Let's flip it... say your boy in KC takes a WR and then this kid with their first round picks.    My guess for your quote " AR always thinking ahead and setting up a long competitive window "  

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It affects his value clearly is my point

Water is wet... 1 + 1= 2.  All these things are obvious.  GB didn't say take him at 15 ... it was about if we traded down and he was part of a nice draft haul.   You clearly states he was off your board completely because he is out for 2 years.    

16 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Water is wet... 1 + 1= 2.  All these things are obvious.  GB didn't say take him at 15 ... it was about if we traded down and he was part of a nice draft haul.   You clearly states he was off your board completely because he is out for 2 years.    

At what point could you consider him is my question? I think somebody else takes him before I would.

You’re acting like…he’s going to be a stud take him at 15….it doesn’t matter. To me it matters. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You’re acting like…he’s going to be a stud take him at 15….it doesn’t matter. To me it matters. 

Never said take him at 15.  Just said if you think he has potential.   He could be similar to Graham who didn't do much early... they moved up for Graham .  In a year they has all late picks.     We have early picks now, so if he was selected as part of the group...his practicing in June should NOT be a factor. 

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

At what point could you consider him is my question? I think somebody else takes him before I would.

If you want my answer...  if he was a candidate for us from 15-19 before the injury..  I would probably take him after 19 and after we selected a couple of players.    Which is what GB was saying.   Context and reading people's posts are important in a conversation. 

Just now, joemas6 said:

If you want my answer...  if he was a candidate for us from 15-19 before the injury..  I would probably take him after 19 and after we selected a couple of players.    Which is what GB was saying.   Context and reading people's posts are important in a conversation. 

So we all agree he falls because of these circumstances. How far I guess is the unidentified part.

I was thinking about bringing back Nelson on the cheap. Now Gilmore’s wife said we’ve inquired.

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

 He's not a slot WR, he's 6'4" and has 4.36 speed.

If we got Olave you bet he is in the slot 😆  JJ(Justin Jefferson mainly a slot guy) could play in or out,so we can use him as we wish. Who the hell said slot receivers have to be slow????

2 hours ago, Outlaw said:

Watson is not the "Alshon type."  Kid ran an official 4.36, Alshon a 4.48. Also outjumps Alshon by 2" and is also 2" taller. Also beat him in the broad jump by 14". Watson may be the best specimen from an athletic measurables standpoint in the last 10 years. Yes, he's a little less polished then the big school guys, but the kid can take the top off a defense in a way Alshon could only dream of. 

They are both POSSESSION receivers due to their height 🤣. Olave not the kind of guy that will win 50/50 balls, Watson IS. I love how you put labels on guys LMAO. If I have Smith, Olave and Watson, you can bet I use them all all over the field on whatever play I choose to run. I really could care less how you label them if they are scoring for me

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

Devonte Wyatt will go top 19...preferably here

No way to know this,just a guess like all mock boards are. I have seen him at 12, I have seen him at 28

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

 He's not a slot WR, he's 6'4" and has 4.36 speed.

Then he should easily be a top 10 pick, and as we all know speed doesn't automatically translate to an NFL WR's success (see Reagor/Ruggs) Smaller school, needs alot of polish and a guy you take with the hope he can help you before the year is over which I believe he could,but I don't consider him a guy who can start day 1(maybe you do)

1 hour ago, Outlaw said:

 Christian Watson is instantly the 2nd best WR on this team.

So is about anyone LOL

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

field until late rookie season

So how is this 2 years? IDK Dickerson seemed to "get it" his rookie year. His learning curve was accelerated because we were forced to play him(even still injured). SO the point is no I would not take Ojabo at 15, if we traded back and still needed an edge, I would pick him up late 1. You KNOW someone going to take a chance on him. Re-signing barnett(although I hated that call) gives you a little cushion to work another guy in and like I said,it's not like we are 2 picks away from a SB,so for me I find the best value I can find.if I have to wait a bit on them,so be it, IF IF IF, I am certain that potential will come(and we have some issues on this front) By all accounts every scout I read says Ojabo needs polished anyway. He can work on his technique while he is healing. You would have to rely on the med staff for this call and I am not privvy to that information. All I am saying is it's a POSSIBILITY like the 5,000 other possibilities

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

It all matters. I care about every level of the franchise. I want an outstanding P. I can appreciate the fourth and fifth WR. Third string RB comes up so much. Don’t get me wrong…..I want all the stud playmakers…..carrying dead weight is what’s tough though.

If I already had a decent team-NP take him,but for me punter is the next to last thing on my mind as we rebuild. I could take him with my last 5 pick or the 6 pick. I imagine he will go in round 4,but I would not take him there