3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mailata was a seventh round pick. Your talking about doing it with a first round pick.

What difference does that make? If you need a guy groomed who cares where you find the talent? If I have to wait a year for a top notch player at a position I can keep him for 10 years IDC where I got him. He should be better than Reagor (1 pick) or MS2 (disaster pick). If you spot the talent I don't care if he is a 1 or a UDFA

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK just shows there is ZERO confidence in our staff developing or Howie drafting LB's. HOWIE- GO HIRE SOME DAMN STAFF TALENT. Ridiculous BS. Welp I can move my LB in round 2 out now lol

I was being sarcastic.   I don't think White signing influences anything ...  IMO LB was already a Longshot to be selected early.  

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Mailata was a seventh round pick. Your talking about doing it with a first round pick.

Agree... it's a good thing we didn't invest a 1st round pick in a guy that didn't contribute early.   Dillard and Hurts were much more necessary to the immediate elite level of play the Eagles had the last few years.    

We can't afford to sit a first round pick in a year where we have such high expectations and limited picks early in the draft.  Much more paramount to maintain that elite level of play and get an immediate contribution.  

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I like that Dickerson and Mailata worked so much together. That chemistry can go a long way. That’s the kind of stuff I want to grow. 

Agree..very important for the OL to gel.  Same with secondary.  Much different than say DL where chemistry really doesn't matter as much as talent.   I should say, fit is important but not so much time playing together.  

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

What difference does that make? If you need a guy groomed who cares where you find the talent? If I have to wait a year for a top notch player at a position I can keep him for 10 years IDC where I got him. He should be better than Reagor (1 pick) or MS2 (disaster pick). If you spot the talent I don't care if he is a 1 or a UDFA

Reagor is entering only his third season. You should be willing to wait and see him develop year three the traditional breakout year for WR. Only been two years which you say you have no problem with no production from.

Not sure why you guys are so pumped to try and get hold of an injured developmental player? You actively want to trade to get him.

Ojabo is not good versus the run. So he’s not an all around DE even. Strictly a pass rusher. Relying on his quick twitch. You guys obviously have no concern for a guy injured his Achilles  effecting his quick get off(his only weapon).

Olave I like. He’s fast has good hands and a good start on his route running. My issue is with Smith. Is he an X? Olave is clearly a Z. The Bucs caused some problems for Smitty jamming him at the line. X has to deal with that. The others are off the line of scrimmage. So my worry is the way to slow The Slim Reaper is bump and run coverage. His size and frame add to these concerns.

8 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I was being sarcastic.   I don't think White signing influences anything ...  IMO LB was already a Longshot to be selected early.  

True. I had Muma in 2 on one mock,but most were later than that anyway. I'm not really understanding why we continue to avoid drafting LB's. You have a defensive staff that can offer up who they want you to draft,but you have to have the guts to draft them and Howie doesn't. If you don't have the staff to develop them GO HIRE THEM. Since I used to go into businesses and find problems,this is a definite one. You can't let a problem linger for years on end,you need to fix it. If you aren't good at something(say drafting LB's)  then you need to fire those scouts OR you have to take the suggestions they give you. Refusing to do either thing just shows how weak this FO is since this issue has baffled us all for years

58 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Olave I like. He’s fast has good hands and a good start on his route running. My issue is with Smith. Is he an X? Olave is clearly a Z. The Bucs caused some problems for Smitty jamming him at the line. X has to deal with that. The others are off the line of scrimmage. So my worry is the way to slow The Slim Reaper is bump and run coverage. His size and frame add to these concerns.

We have entered the "all around WR" age. Teams now seem to demand players that can play multiple roles. Of course alot don't have the attributes to do so,but that is what teams look for now. Smitty was a rook,he will learn how to beat that press,he has the speed. Both OSU WR's are NFL ready route runners. The age of the slow possession WR's is disappearing like the FB position. TE's have come along way since I played,so alot of that old possession WR role has been taken up by TE's. We see more TE types like Pitts emerging,so it seems to me teams will be more apt to get speed outside. Some even play a RB type role,so your offensive plan/strategy/goals and your QB really dictate what WR's you put on your team. It will be interesting to see if we indeed add Parker. I am personally at the point where I want guys I can shift anywhere. Opens up the playbook and keeps the opponents D busy.If o0ne WR is being shbut down,try a different one. CB's can't cover every type. Find that weakness and use that WR there. That would be my ultimate nearly unreachable goal lol

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Reagor is entering only his third season. You should be willing to wait and see him develop year three the traditional breakout year for WR. Only been two years which you say you have no problem with no production from.

Apparently the FO is with me. Your #1 WR pick should not need a break out year, they should produce day 1(smith). Reagor seems to think it's funny OR BLOWS OFF that he drops balls. Break out years are for 2nd and 3rd round picks. They seem to think like I do that Reagor needs replaced,thus the pascal signing and the interest in Parker. SO for me it's Reagors attitude. Maybe with some competition he takes his job more seriously and becomes better. But like me the FO is tired of waiting on him. He is a SLOW learner and his route tree stinks after this long. he is fine as a BU,but his time as a starter ended for me when he wasn't concerned about his pass drops..Don't want that attitude on my team.I'm glad to see the FO moving on from players instead of coddling them in hopes they perform(Hollins). Jjaw needs to go for the same lack of production. Mr. nice guy has to end and I'm happy that the FO is treating this more like a business than a camp for the learning and production impaired. The later picks are hungry guys,maybe with chips on their shoulders,and we see those guys improve(some dramatically). You should expect the same from your top draftees. You pay them more and should expect more

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not sure why you guys are so pumped to try and get hold of an injured developmental player? You actively want to trade to get him.

Trade BACK not UP. Did you not read the posts??? SOMEONE is going to take Ojabo in late one or early 2. Why would he even go there if he is so bad???? We aren't going to the SB this year, but if I can steal a potential game changer I can have for a decade, I will wait a year for that. If we take another guy early thats fine with me,I was thinking if we did NOT do that we could pick Ojabo up LATER. I have zero clue what Howie will do. He could trade back twice. Howie seems to like trading back,then trading UP again while netting an extra pick gain of some kind(and he's good at it) The issue is his player selection. He sets us up well,then tends to blow some picks. If he rectifies that, we will have a helluva draft. 

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Olave I like. He’s fast has good hands and a good start on his route running. My issue is with Smith. Is he an X? Olave is clearly a Z. The Bucs caused some problems for Smitty jamming him at the line. X has to deal with that. The others are off the line of scrimmage. So my worry is the way to slow The Slim Reaper is bump and run coverage. His size and frame add to these concerns.

Smith and Olave would be formidable. Lets recall we didn't really play Eagles football for 5 weeks. It was the Hurts show. Still with a 1 read and run panicked QB,Smith still managed over 900 yards. With a pass first accurate,coherent, QB easily over 1k. If I get that from a rook WR, my expectations have been fulfilled,and he was DT'd at times since we had noone opposite him. Noone was afraid of Reagor(and they still aren't). Olave gives us the outsides where they cannot DT anyone and they both pull D's out to open up the middle. Smith can work on the bump problem. He will grow as a WR. What I want to see is Smith standing alone in the EZ waving his arms 55 yards away knowing Hurts can't hit him. This will be the proof that we have the offense but lack the QB. It will be plain for all to see, even Howie. I don't hate Hurts,nor do I wish ill upon him. I am simply saying I want to build an offense where the only thing holding us back is QB. THEN we can talk about a run. Although I am alone, I still believe at this point Shew would be the more effective QB since he is a throw first QB and Hurts is not,but Howies ego won't let him do what's best for this team in my view. Now I did not say shew was BETTER,I said he would be more effective the way this team is set up or strives to be offensively.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ojabo is not good versus the run. So he’s not an all around DE even. Strictly a pass rusher. Relying on his quick twitch. You guys obviously have no concern for a guy injured his Achilles  effecting his quick get off(his only weapon).

Someone will snag him and as you said he is still learning.I'm sure he can be taught to hold more for run stops if that is the play. So now the only decision is which team steals him and is willing to put the teaching effort in. If we took an edge first or second and snagged him later(early 2 with a trade back) we would be in fine shape. I still feel Barnett is a place holder. I was surprised we signed him again,but if you think about it,that is your place holder while Ojabo comes around.Perhaps is was planning ahead???? Barnett is not terrible,he just wasn't worth our initial pick. Since we resigned Barnett and are not going to the SB this year,grabbing 2 edge rushers would suit me fine going forward. Pick up a DT and the D line is looking  good in 2024 and beyond. You now have that line rebuilt and can go elsewhere. I'm sure you will disagree with me lol

https://www.nj.com/eagles/2022/03/nfl-draft-2022-eagles-have-had-meetings-with-these-14-prospects-this-offseason.html   This is what scares me. The amount of QB interest and the limited WR visits.Now these could be players they are on the fence about,which in that case is fine. Seeing the lack of interest at CB,S and LB surfaces once again. Looking only at the bigger WR's. Getting Parker would take that away for the moment,or at least make it not so "pressing" as this report suggests(still like Watson in round 2 and if we got Parker his learning curve would accelerate)

https://theeagleswire.usatoday.com/lists/philadelphia-eagles-2022-nfl-draft-trade-down-prospects-2/     Trading back seems the way to go. As this article says if we are setting up for the #1 QB next draft(I assume this will be Young),then we are in a position to do it. This is why getting WR's is essential this draft//FA in my view. I really wanted Robinson(but whatever)

I am going to wildly assume we don't take a LB ANYWHERE in this draft(silly me LOL)    1-15-Jordan Davis-DT-Georgia 1-16 Karlaftis-edge-Purdue  1-19 Olave-WR OSU 2-51-Pitre-S-Baylor  3-83-Derrion Kendrick-CB-Georgia 4-124-Pierre Strong-RB-SD st. (could be a LB here IDK lol)  5-154-Luke Fortner-C-Kentucky  5-162-Justin Shaffer-G-Georgia  5-166- Danny Gray-WR-SMU 6-194-Jack Coan-QB-ND. SO Ham should be thrilled I passed up Ojabo,but I am saddened I could not work in Watson at WR. Both of these I would take in a move back into late 1 early 2 scenario

https://herosports.com/fcs-nfl-draft-pierre-strong-jr-college-stats-highlights-bzbz/

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

True. I had Muma in 2 on one mock,but most were later than that anyway. I'm not really understanding why we continue to avoid drafting LB's. You have a defensive staff that can offer up who they want you to draft,but you have to have the guts to draft them and Howie doesn't. If you don't have the staff to develop them GO HIRE THEM. Since I used to go into businesses and find problems,this is a definite one. You can't let a problem linger for years on end,you need to fix it. If you aren't good at something(say drafting LB's)  then you need to fire those scouts OR you have to take the suggestions they give you. Refusing to do either thing just shows how weak this FO is since this issue has baffled us all for years

It’s more about they have a system of allocating resources. LB they always get by on the cheap. Have undrafted, arena league and others play serviceable. Everything goes to Dline…this is Philly!

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We have entered the "all around WR" age. Teams now seem to demand players that can play multiple roles. Of course alot don't have the attributes to do so,but that is what teams look for now. Smitty was a rook,he will learn how to beat that press,he has the speed. Both OSU WR's are NFL ready route runners. The age of the slow possession WR's is disappearing like the FB position. TE's have come along way since I played,so alot of that old possession WR role has been taken up by TE's. We see more TE types like Pitts emerging,so it seems to me teams will be more apt to get speed outside. Some even play a RB type role,so your offensive plan/strategy/goals and your QB really dictate what WR's you put on your team. It will be interesting to see if we indeed add Parker. I am personally at the point where I want guys I can shift anywhere. Opens up the playbook and keeps the opponents D busy.If o0ne WR is being shbut down,try a different one. CB's can't cover every type. Find that weakness and use that WR there. That would be my ultimate nearly unreachable goal lol

It’s fairly easy for a Z or X to move to the slot. Speed isn’t what you use to be a jam though. X is the most difficult and handicapped by being at the line.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Apparently the FO is with me. Your #1 WR pick should not need a break out year, they should produce day 1(smith). Reagor seems to think it's funny OR BLOWS OFF that he drops balls. Break out years are for 2nd and 3rd round picks. They seem to think like I do that Reagor needs replaced,thus the pascal signing and the interest in Parker. SO for me it's Reagors attitude. Maybe with some competition he takes his job more seriously and becomes better. But like me the FO is tired of waiting on him. He is a SLOW learner and his route tree stinks after this long. he is fine as a BU,but his time as a starter ended for me when he wasn't concerned about his pass drops..Don't want that attitude on my team.I'm glad to see the FO moving on from players instead of coddling them in hopes they perform(Hollins). Jjaw needs to go for the same lack of production. Mr. nice guy has to end and I'm happy that the FO is treating this more like a business than a camp for the learning and production impaired. The later picks are hungry guys,maybe with chips on their shoulders,and we see those guys improve(some dramatically). You should expect the same from your top draftees. You pay them more and should expect more

But your stated your fine with a first round pick being developed and not producing his first two years. You just said as much about Mailata and Ojabo.

3 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Someone will snag him and as you said he is still learning.I'm sure he can be taught to hold more for run stops if that is the play. So now the only decision is which team steals him and is willing to put the teaching effort in. If we took an edge first or second and snagged him later(early 2 with a trade back) we would be in fine shape. I still feel Barnett is a place holder. I was surprised we signed him again,but if you think about it,that is your place holder while Ojabo comes around.Perhaps is was planning ahead???? Barnett is not terrible,he just wasn't worth our initial pick. Since we resigned Barnett and are not going to the SB this year,grabbing 2 edge rushers would suit me fine going forward. Pick up a DT and the D line is looking  good in 2024 and beyond. You now have that line rebuilt and can go elsewhere. I'm sure you will disagree with me lol

I think you inadvertently bring up a good point. Maybe they signed Barnett back because of the Obajo injury….knowing he won’t be picked now.

Big concern is the book is out on playing us Press Man. So how does our offense adjust and beat it?

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not sure why you guys are so pumped to try and get hold of an injured developmental player? You actively want to trade to get him.

Not pumped... and trading back is different.  We gave up assets for Graham, same position, not much of anything early.     Just say you don't think the guy will be good...that's the reason enough we can all agree to pass on a guy.  This BS about a DE needing to practice and gel with teammates early on isn't a reason to pass on a guy if he was a choice before the injury.   

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ojabo is not good versus the run. So he’s not an all around DE even. Strictly a pass rusher. Relying on his quick twitch. You guys obviously have no concern for a guy injured his Achilles  effecting his quick get off(his only weapon).

And there you go with a legit reason... he wasn't a choice for you before the injury...why not go there first?