5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

True. I had Muma in 2 on one mock,but most were later than that anyway. I'm not really understanding why we continue to avoid drafting LB's. You have a defensive staff that can offer up who they want you to draft,but you have to have the guts to draft them and Howie doesn't. If you don't have the staff to develop them GO HIRE THEM. Since I used to go into businesses and find problems,this is a definite one. You can't let a problem linger for years on end,you need to fix it. If you aren't good at something(say drafting LB's)  then you need to fire those scouts OR you have to take the suggestions they give you. Refusing to do either thing just shows how weak this FO is since this issue has baffled us all for years

It hasn't baffled me... they way I see it is simply they don't value the position. That simple. 

46 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Big concern is the book is out on playing us Press Man. So how does our offense adjust and beat it?

By getting better WRs.   Like at the level most other NFL teams have. 

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But your stated your fine with a first round pick being developed and not producing his first two years. You just said as much about Mailata and Ojabo.

Can't expect an injured player to do that can we????? WHO won't produce in TWO years???? Reagor didn't MS 2 didn't,Hurts hasn't(because he played 3rd string teams 1/2 the year) so it's not like that would be a first lol. Smith did. It's all about choosing the right player. If a guy has the talent and can be top rate for 10 years,yeah I will wait a year for that production

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think you inadvertently bring up a good point. Maybe they signed Barnett back because of the Obajo injury….knowing he won’t be picked now.

IDK, I suppose it depends how far he falls and what the FO thinks his potential is

Anyway, I believe this will be the most interesting Eagles draft in my lifetime

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Anyway, I believe this will be the most interesting Eagles draft in my lifetime

Until next year

47 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Until next year

Next year should be QB year lol(if we build the team up this draft)

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Next year should be QB year lol(if we build the team up this draft)

And it will be the most interesting draft ...lol

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Not pumped... and trading back is different.  We gave up assets for Graham, same position, not much of anything early.     Just say you don't think the guy will be good...that's the reason enough we can all agree to pass on a guy.  This BS about a DE needing to practice and gel with teammates early on isn't a reason to pass on a guy if he was a choice before the injury.   

Yeah I’m not pumped on the guy. I like some guys at his position more ranked behind him. But I also see what people like in him. The injury changes everything. I don’t want to wait to build this team. I want them to progress this year to build on last year. Just am not jumping to wait on guys to help build a new team. So trading back for an injured guy that can’t practice or play…or trading back for future picks…..just feels like waiting to build a team. Think it’s crucial we work on that currently. Want to feel like we are heading in a good direction more than just accepting we suck so let’s try to start building in 2024.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

By getting better WRs.   Like at the level most other NFL teams have. 

This is an accurate statement. But my concern is with our best WR weapon. So I’m talking about doing what’s best for him and complimenting him. He’s a smaller framed guy trying to play the X. I believe in him. But Tampa slowed him by jamming him. So is this a fixable issue? Or would he be best served off the line? These are the questions that drive the decisions going forward. The generic "get better receivers” isn’t good enough for me. I want better…but the right guys. Tampa exposed our weakness of jamming Smith and Quez screwed our offense up. Can we coach and learn to fix that? Or is it a personnel problem?

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

And there you go with a legit reason... he wasn't a choice for you before the injury...why not go there first? 

I’ve been stating my opinion all offseason. But because I’m higher on others than many are for the Michigan pass rusher. I see and can respect what people see in his potential. So I wouldn’t have been upset if we took him. Just prefer others…even in round two. But there’s also a philosophy aspect here. I have an all new young coaching staff trying to build something here. They can’t do that with future picks and guys that can’t practice or play. So I’m leaning more towards the blue collar guy that makes everybody better at practice ….than the potential unknown high ceiling guy right now. We need to be that team that is practicing hard. Need that dog mentality. We don’t need old as much as hungry players.

10 hours ago, joemas6 said:

It hasn't baffled me... they way I see it is simply they don't value the position. That simple. 

You can’t spend everywhere. So they have that gameplan of prioritizing. I’ve agreed with it somewhat. Think they got lost taking it too extreme though. Eagles….we value Dline more than anybody. That’s the team I’ve known the whole time. Our identity. Need better at LB than the weak stuff they have tried though. So maybe don’t need the top FA or a first round pick….but need more than undrafted guys leading the way. Missing the middle ground. 

11 hours ago, joemas6 said:

By getting better WRs.   Like at the level most other NFL teams have. 

Yes…but too simple an asset that really doesn’t identify much. We need to self scout and figure out what really improves us. Some fixes could be more simple than just going all out to add Tyreek Hill type move. I’m trying to be much more specific than super generic. Get better isn’t where I’m at. Trying to identify specifically.

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Can't expect an injured player to do that can we????? WHO won't produce in TWO years???? Reagor didn't MS 2 didn't,Hurts hasn't(because he played 3rd string teams 1/2 the year) so it's not like that would be a first lol. Smith did. It's all about choosing the right player. If a guy has the talent and can be top rate for 10 years,yeah I will wait a year for that production

I disagree completely about Hurts. That guy is such a leader and competitor he will try to get us there. Team isn’t enough for that though. We started the year last year with Hurts carrying us being 80 percent of the offense. He’s not that caliber super stud. Feel like if we ask him to distribute to playmakers that would work. Just need him to step up when needed. This I feel he will work doing. Short on playmakers though. Also feel like he prefers the perimeter. So one of our best weapons being TE he needed to learn and wasn’t natural for him. But I have seen him grow without question. How much was he growing sitting on the bench behind Wentz? That is my concern. Guys can adjust to the NFL some. But I do feel you need to be on the field to really launch that learning curve. I expect that is exactly what makes Hurts so much better this year. He has totally proven himself a great leader for this new young team. And that’s exactly my point. We are at that point we need hard working young talent to develop. Future picks and dreams of high picks become stellar three years from now is almost crippling. If we are building something…we need to build. 2024 picks aren’t getting us anywhere right now. That’s just a dream for other coaches, players and team. I know you just want us to tank and suck so some dream of a future feels brighter. I don’t think that way. Building a new culture here. You can’t do that with guys not suiting up or even chosen in some future draft. We need to work now. Build now. Otherwise….it’s just going to all get blown up and be a different team players and coaches anyway. Seems like the Jets, lLions and Jsgs been sucking and picking high for years. I don’t see evidence of that working. Seems more like success brings guys to you and keeps the guys in their jobs. 

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yeah I’m not pumped on the guy. I like some guys at his position more ranked behind him. But I also see what people like in him. The injury changes everything. I don’t want to wait to build this team. I want them to progress this year to build on last year. Just am not jumping to wait on guys to help build a new team. So trading back for an injured guy that can’t practice or play…or trading back for future picks…..just feels like waiting to build a team. Think it’s crucial we work on that currently. Want to feel like we are heading in a good direction more than just accepting we suck so let’s try to start building in 2024.

You build a team by getting players.  The early success of that is irrelevant. It's the actual acquisitions that are the first step.    Trading back or getting an injured player is irrelevant.  You draft what you feel is ultimately the best combo of players, regardless of round.  You trade up if you feel one guy is that important and better than if you stay put and miss him... and you trade back if you feel the combo of what you get is better than if you make the pick in the moment. 

Feels like you might be in a rush to justify Hurts. That's not with this draft is about, it's about the best long term outlook for this team.   That's what every draft should be about, you have free agency for immediate help. 

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is an accurate statement. But my concern is with our best WR weapon. So I’m talking about doing what’s best for him and complimenting him. He’s a smaller framed guy trying to play the X. I believe in him. But Tampa slowed him by jamming him. So is this a fixable issue? Or would he be best served off the line? These are the questions that drive the decisions going forward. The generic "get better receivers” isn’t good enough for me. I want better…but the right guys. Tampa exposed our weakness of jamming Smith and Quez screwed our offense up. Can we coach and learn to fix that? Or is it a personnel problem?

Tampa exposed the QB.  That's the problem that is paramount.  At this point we need better WRs, as in plural. The assumption should be the rookie from last year gets better,  you can't keep protecting him his whole career, it's big boy time now. Gotta learn to play big boy football.  

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I disagree completely about Hurts. That guy is such a leader and competitor he will try to get us there. Team isn’t enough for that though. We started the year last year with Hurts carrying us being 80 percent of the offense. He’s not that caliber super stud. Feel like if we ask him to distribute to playmakers that would work. Just need him to step up when needed. This I feel he will work doing. Short on playmakers though. Also feel like he prefers the perimeter. So one of our best weapons being TE he needed to learn and wasn’t natural for him. But I have seen him grow without question. How much was he growing sitting on the bench behind Wentz? That is my concern. Guys can adjust to the NFL some. But I do feel you need to be on the field to really launch that learning curve. I expect that is exactly what makes Hurts so much better this year. He has totally proven himself a great leader for this new young team. And that’s exactly my point. We are at that point we need hard working young talent to develop. Future picks and dreams of high picks become stellar three years from now is almost crippling. If we are building something…we need to build. 2024 picks aren’t getting us anywhere right now. That’s just a dream for other coaches, players and team. I know you just want us to tank and suck so some dream of a future feels brighter. I don’t think that way. Building a new culture here. You can’t do that with guys not suiting up or even chosen in some future draft. We need to work now. Build now. Otherwise….it’s just going to all get blown up and be a different team players and coaches anyway. Seems like the Jets, lLions and Jsgs been sucking and picking high for years. I don’t see evidence of that working. Seems more like success brings guys to you and keeps the guys in their jobs. 

Dude...  we have 3 first round picks... if one of them gets flipped for multiple picks... let's say an early 2nd and a 1st next year.... and that early 2nd turns out to be a stud in 2 years... that's an absolute win.  You still have the other picks for your immediate satisfaction.   

Again.... you like other players at that position...just leave it there, its enough without the long explanation.    

I mean really... we pick 15th and 16th and take 2 guys you like..  it's going to sour you that much if we trade 19 for a good haul and select a guy that can’t play until mid season and then we still get the rest of our picks.  That one move makes such a difference for you that it signals 2024?   

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Tampa exposed the QB.  That's the problem that is paramount.  At this point we need better WRs, as in plural. The assumption should be the rookie from last year gets better,  you can't keep protecting him his whole career, it's big boy time now. Gotta learn to play big boy football.  

Wasn’t some big mystery everyone on this board realized that our ability to pass or lack thereof was going to be a major factor come playoff time. 

11 hours ago, joemas6 said:

And it will be the most interesting draft ...lol

Nah, cause we know we will sell the farm for Young if we position ourselves lol

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

hey can’t do that with future picks and guys that can’t practice or play.

It's ONE GUY!!! ONE lol

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Get better isn’t where I’m at

If you're not there,what's the point of all your other posts? The idea is to get better I thought stupidly. I'm just tired of striving for .500 bronze

10 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I disagree completely about Hurts. That guy is such a leader and competitor he will try to get us there. Team isn’t enough for that though. We started the year last year with Hurts carrying us being 80 percent of the offense. He’s not that caliber super stud. Feel like if we ask him to distribute to playmakers that would work. Just need him to step up when needed. This I feel he will work doing. Short on playmakers though. Also feel like he prefers the perimeter. So one of our best weapons being TE he needed to learn and wasn’t natural for him. But I have seen him grow without question. How much was he growing sitting on the bench behind Wentz? That is my concern. Guys can adjust to the NFL some. But I do feel you need to be on the field to really launch that learning curve. I expect that is exactly what makes Hurts so much better this year. He has totally proven himself a great leader for this new young team. And that’s exactly my point. We are at that point we need hard working young talent to develop. Future picks and dreams of high picks become stellar three years from now is almost crippling. If we are building something…we need to build. 2024 picks aren’t getting us anywhere right now. That’s just a dream for other coaches, players and team. I know you just want us to tank and suck so some dream of a future feels brighter. I don’t think that way. Building a new culture here. You can’t do that with guys not suiting up or even chosen in some future draft. We need to work now. Build now. Otherwise….it’s just going to all get blown up and be a different team players and coaches anyway. Seems like the Jets, lLions and Jsgs been sucking and picking high for years. I don’t see evidence of that working. Seems more like success brings guys to you and keeps the guys in their jobs. 

So you were fine with Hurts sitting behind Wentz basically for year,but doing that with Ojabo is off limits(both would probably be round 2 picks-Hurts was,I suspect Ojabo goes there also). I don't understand your inconsistency here. 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I know you just want us to tank and suck so some dream of a future feels brighter.

BS,that was last year when we won games against HS teams with no players and 3rd string QB's and took ourselves out of pick 5 in the draft(Gardner anyone??????). Now that we(hopefully) have to face real teams at full strength let's see how we do.If we get the same record I will be happy. The tank should have been last year and YOU KNOW it,so stop telling me what I think

11 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I disagree completely about Hurts. That guy is such a leader and competitor he will try to get us there. Team isn’t enough for that though. We started the year last year with Hurts carrying us being 80 percent of the offense. He’s not that caliber super stud. Feel like if we ask him to distribute to playmakers that would work. Just need him to step up when needed. This I feel he will work doing. Short on playmakers though. Also feel like he prefers the perimeter. So one of our best weapons being TE he needed to learn and wasn’t natural for him. But I have seen him grow without question. How much was he growing sitting on the bench behind Wentz? That is my concern. Guys can adjust to the NFL some. But I do feel you need to be on the field to really launch that learning curve. I expect that is exactly what makes Hurts so much better this year. He has totally proven himself a great leader for this new young team. And that’s exactly my point. We are at that point we need hard working young talent to develop. Future picks and dreams of high picks become stellar three years from now is almost crippling. If we are building something…we need to build. 2024 picks aren’t getting us anywhere right now. That’s just a dream for other coaches, players and team. I know you just want us to tank and suck so some dream of a future feels brighter. I don’t think that way. Building a new culture here. You can’t do that with guys not suiting up or even chosen in some future draft. We need to work now. Build now. Otherwise….it’s just going to all get blown up and be a different team players and coaches anyway. Seems like the Jets, lLions and Jsgs been sucking and picking high for years. I don’t see evidence of that working. Seems more like success brings guys to you and keeps the guys in their jobs. 

Hurts is not a leader, he is a place holder while we re-build. No sense paying a QB mega millions with the team we have,that's what rebuilding is. Once we get to the point the QB is holding the team back(0ne could argue he is already holding Smith back),then you go find your franchise guy. I don't see any "culture change". We still take players with character(unlike the prison squad in Dullaz). The culture won't change unless the ownership/FO changes,we just plugged new people into the established system. It's amazing to me one guy sets you off like a rocket lol. if Ojabo falls in my lap and there is noone better to help me when I pick, you bet he is an Eagle. We are fine taking time with line guys(like Mailata). We have a decent pipeline going and we should keep that going drafting guys with top potential. We waited on Mailiata and now he's on a 4 year and you can argue all you want about where you drafted guys,fact remains if Ojabo will be a stud in a year I'm taking him and you really need to ADMIT that Ojabo came a LONG way in a short time developing. He's not in a wheel chair, he can still work out through his recovery and I still suspect he will play at some point his rookie year

BTW I am not a Barnett fan,however re-signing him to a 2 year allows a buffer if we get Ojabo. I'm not saying we WILL or if we are even interested,but it sets up nicely for any rook we want to get to sit behind him. If the rook doesn't pan out,you still have Barnett another year. Pretty smart IMO. I'm thinking someone will want our 15/16 pick and I hope Howie can leverage them for a nice haul. Even trading back 15 and 19 would give us a boatload of round 2 picks maybe a later 1 this year and a 1 next year we can leverage for a QB(if we want one). So I am seeing the plan come together. Adding the LB's is pretty much what we do, so I will stop complaining about lack of drafting one until I see what this defense looks like. I still feel it is urgent to get some top WR draft picks in. I would like to have Olave and Watson in here. Pascal is fine as another BU/rotational. I know we are looking at Parker