I suspect Etienne will move up into the 15 range.I'd still like to have him.Love Sanders,but that makes a nice 1/2 punch Add a DL round 2.There are no real OT's.The few that will be there will go fairly high.Too early to tell.S or CB in 3.Oh well,on to Cincy(sheesh)

46 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I suspect Etienne will move up into the 15 range.I'd still like to have him.Love Sanders,but that makes a nice 1/2 punch Add a DL round 2.There are no real OT's.The few that will be there will go fairly high.Too early to tell.S or CB in 3.Oh well,on to Cincy(sheesh)

Don’t see us spending a 1st round pick on a RB especially with Sanders... Bigger issue we don’t run the ball enough I mean if we were the Ravens or NO(back when they had Ingram/Kamara) sure could make some sense.... But with Doug and his 25 at best carries a game nah 

I want Doug to run the ball though I want teams to have to commit to stopping Miles Sanders force them to stack the box with 8-9 guys. 
 

Then best them with our speed use the play action move the pocket around. 

Freeman to the Giants no big surprise there 

Just watched the all 22 of the Rams game up until Carson's interception in the end zone. What's sad about that play was the Miles (or Scott) was going on a wheel route against a LB that was going to be wide open had Wentz waited a beat and then looked that way.

Some thoughts.

On offense, we played really well, except for the QB. The line was opening nice running lanes (Herbig is really good.) I didn't think Reagor had a good day running routes, but I was wrong. He looked good out there. They depended on their front four to generate pressure, and it just never happened. Wentz just missed too many throws. I also thought he could have taken some deep shots to Reagor/Desean.

I think this offense will work fine as long as Carson gets better. The game plan was there and the oline was really good. The QB didn't execute.

On defense, my thoughts on Riley/Gerry remain the same. They just didn't make plays, and were out of position too often.

I am an Edwards fan, but I will admit he didn't have a great day. But he caused a fumble on a PR, knocked out their RB with a big hit and stopped Goff for no gain a play or two before Graham's sack that knocked them out of field goal range. He has got to be on the field every play.

Epps had a rough day but he made a really nice open field tackle on a misdirection play at the goal line. I was really down on him but I think he just needs more experience. Safety is tough to play. But he runs well and hits well.

Mills and Robey-Coleman really struggled. R-C in particular had a chance to make a play and missed it. He shouldn't be on the field in the red zone.

Toohill was invisible. I don't know what they saw in him or Avery, but Ostman needs a shot.

I thought our Dline wasn't as bad as advertised. The Rams attack almost exclusively within 10 yards of the LOS, and we were  playing 15 yards off the LOS with our DBs. So it doesn't take a math degree from MIT to figure out the issue. We invested in Slay so that we could play tighter coverage, and then we don't. I just don't get it. But there were so many plays where Gerry, Mills and Riley had chances to make plays and missed. (Edwards wasn't immune from this issue, but as noted he and Epps made the occasional play, while the others didn't.)

The tl,dr version is that if Wentz gets better, this offense should be really good. They have two easy weeks against a bad Bengals team and a banged-up 49ers teams, and then face tough tests against the Ravens and the Steelers. But after that, I don't see them facing any good defenses.

The defense, to me, needs to change its personnel and its scheme. More man coverage to let the defense get home, more Edwards and (any linebacker not named Gerry or Riley), more Strap, and hopefully better play from Mills (or more parks when he is healthy.)   

Seumalo to IR

This tweet is a good example of what i mean when I say the offense can be successful. The defense is terrified of getting beat deep. Two safeties are playing 40 yards from the LOS. Four other players 20 yards downfield. And Sanders one on one with a LB with nothing but green in front of him. This is a play that should have gone for 30 yards all day. This is also a defense we never saw last year. Wentz just has to make a play.

 

2 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Don’t see us spending a 1st round pick on a RB especially with Sanders... Bigger issue we don’t run the ball enough I mean if we were the Ravens or NO(back when they had Ingram/Kamara) sure could make some sense.... But with Doug and his 25 at best carries a game nah 

We don't run the ball enough because we had no RB week 1(to speak of),week 2,we gave up on the run because we went down so bad

23 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

Just watched the all 22 of the Rams game up until Carson's interception in the end zone. What's sad about that play was the Miles (or Scott) was going on a wheel route against a LB that was going to be wide open had Wentz waited a beat and then looked that way.

Some thoughts.

On offense, we played really well, except for the QB. The line was opening nice running lanes (Herbig is really good.) I didn't think Reagor had a good day running routes, but I was wrong. He looked good out there. They depended on their front four to generate pressure, and it just never happened. Wentz just missed too many throws. I also thought he could have taken some deep shots to Reagor/Desean.

I think this offense will work fine as long as Carson gets better. The game plan was there and the oline was really good. The QB didn't execute.

On defense, my thoughts on Riley/Gerry remain the same. They just didn't make plays, and were out of position too often.

I am an Edwards fan, but I will admit he didn't have a great day. But he caused a fumble on a PR, knocked out their RB with a big hit and stopped Goff for no gain a play or two before Graham's sack that knocked them out of field goal range. He has got to be on the field every play.

Epps had a rough day but he made a really nice open field tackle on a misdirection play at the goal line. I was really down on him but I think he just needs more experience. Safety is tough to play. But he runs well and hits well.

Mills and Robey-Coleman really struggled. R-C in particular had a chance to make a play and missed it. He shouldn't be on the field in the red zone.

Toohill was invisible. I don't know what they saw in him or Avery, but Ostman needs a shot.

I thought our Dline wasn't as bad as advertised. The Rams attack almost exclusively within 10 yards of the LOS, and we were  playing 15 yards off the LOS with our DBs. So it doesn't take a math degree from MIT to figure out the issue. We invested in Slay so that we could play tighter coverage, and then we don't. I just don't get it. But there were so many plays where Gerry, Mills and Riley had chances to make plays and missed. (Edwards wasn't immune from this issue, but as noted he and Epps made the occasional play, while the others didn't.)

The tl,dr version is that if Wentz gets better, this offense should be really good. They have two easy weeks against a bad Bengals team and a banged-up 49ers teams, and then face tough tests against the Ravens and the Steelers. But after that, I don't see them facing any good defenses.

The defense, to me, needs to change its personnel and its scheme. More man coverage to let the defense get home, more Edwards and (any linebacker not named Gerry or Riley), more Strap, and hopefully better play from Mills (or more parks when he is healthy.)   

Bengals as as good as we are. I think it will be a close game

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We don't run the ball enough because we had no RB week 1(to speak of),week 2,we gave up on the run because we went down so bad

No we just don’t run. We were down by a score and we were still slinging it last week even though Miles and the ground game was working well. It is what it is with Doug he runs the ball like AR his mentor which isn’t much 

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Bengals as as good as we are. I think it will be a close gave

This might be true as bad as we are playing. But their defense is not going to be nearly as good as the Rams were. And the 49ers, with their injuries, won't be as good either.

37 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

This might be true as bad as we are playing. But their defense is not going to be nearly as good as the Rams were. And the 49ers, with their injuries, won't be as good either.

No that's very true. And this is a week to week league and who really knows how we match up. Player for player right now i don't think there's much between us and Cincy. 

8 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

No that's very true. And this is a week to week league and who really knows how we match up. Player for player right now i don't think there's much between us and Cincy. 

It's not us versus Cincy. It is Cincy's defense as compared to the Rams', Ravens' and Steelers' defenses. My point is that the Cincy defense isn't as good as those defenses.

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

It's not us versus Cincy. It is Cincy's defense as compared to the Rams', Ravens' and Steelers' defenses. My point is that the Cincy defense isn't as good as those defenses.

And our offense isn't that good either. The way Wentz is playing I'm not sure it really matters. 

15 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And our offense isn't that good either. The way Wentz is playing I'm not sure it really matters. 

I think our offense is fine. If you watch the tape there are plenty of open lanes for the running backs and open receivers n passing plays. I was ready to be critical of the team before watching the all 22, but now I am convinced that things are fine as long as Wentz plays better, which doesn't see to be a stretch.

Tra Thomas does a great breakdown of the offense in this video. If you can find any fault in what he is saying, feel free to raise those points. But just to make a blanket statement that the entire offense is bad just because the QB had a really bad day isn't correct IMO.

 

57 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I think our offense is fine.

The offense has shown glimpses it can be potent I mean we jumped up to a 17-0 lead vs WFT then rallied back down 21-3 to honestly be in position to take the lead if not for a boneheaded int.

But doesn’t mean much if we can’t put together 4 qtrs 

36 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

The offense has shown glimpses it can be potent I mean we jumped up to a 17-0 lead vs WFT then rallied back down 21-3 to honestly be in position to take the lead if not for a boneheaded int.

But doesn’t mean much if we can’t put together 4 qtrs 

It was strange to see us against the Rams versus the game against the WFT. The first week, even on the drives we scored on, we made a lot of bad plays. Receivers dropped passes, olinemen missed blocks, etc. In all honesty, I felt like we were lucky to score 17.

But this past week the only problem I saw on offense was Wentz. The only bad play that wasn't his fault was the drop by JJAW. Peters didn't have a great game but all of the other linemen, even Pryor, were solid. If Wentz had been on his game, we would have scored on every drive. It reminded me of the Super Bowl year when this offense was really rolling.

I don't know why he is struggling this year, but I am pretty confident he can figure it out.

As far as the defense goes, I am not nearly as optimistic. Hopefully Schwartz will figure things out, a phrase I have been repeating since we hired him.

On 9/21/2020 at 2:26 PM, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I don’t tend to make rash decisions on guys like to see them given a fair shake.... Mills at S I’d look at him till Parks returns around week 4. Mills doesn’t improve then by all means make the switch. But he has only played S this year first year.

Bow Gerry and Riley they are on there 2nd and 3rd years at there spots they are not getting it down make the change. Try Edwsrds and singletary, Bradley whoever till we get something decent 

Maddox is a tough not sure who we replace him with even if we want to make a change if he continues to struggle maybe give Williams a chance has some starting experience 

I think we kind of screwed up these choices. I like Maddox as the FS. Mills back at Corner. 

20 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Some changes I would make for this week's game.

Ward sees an increase of snaps, Reagor sees a decrease. I don't think his route running is good enough right now, and we need to create more easy throws for Wentz. I would have Reagor backing up Desean at the Z. Desean is going to miss time, and I would rather see Reagor spending his time learning this spot, since he may end up playing a lot there later in the season.

With the open roster spot caused by Seumalo's injury, I would call up Burnett to see what he can do. He had a good preseason, and JJAW and Hightower aren't giving us anything. At some point we have to give someone a chance to earn a spot in the lineup. 

On defense, I would bench Robey-Coleman and Riley. Strap deserves a shot, and Edwards should be out LB1 until he loses the job. Gerry, Singleton and Bradley can rotate at LB2. They may as well use this next game as an open competition for the job.

I wouldn't do anything else at this point, but Mills and Maddox are on a short leash.

The team has to do something. The lack of a preseason is an excuse, but there is clear evidence they have made some bad decisions on the roster/starting lineup. A failure to address these mistakes would just be compounding them at this point.

I can’t agree about Reagor. Him and Wentz connection is paramount to develop. Burnett seems pretty solid. Everything I’ve seen and heard about sounds like he is a much better option than JJAW. Guy just gets it done.

  LeBlanc showed excellent in the slot when healthy. Kind of thought it should of been his job to lose. But many people were very high on Roby- Coleman. He’s better than he’s shown for us so far...I’d even give him that though. Defense needs to come together and gel. Singleton has shown well. I’d have no problem getting him into the fray more. I’m more interested in bringing the defense as a whole together on the same  page. Definitely gotta tighten up on the TEs and short yardage pronto.

3 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

No we just don’t run. We were down by a score and we were still slinging it last week even though Miles and the ground game was working well. It is what it is with Doug he runs the ball like AR his mentor which isn’t much 

I don't know how much more they can give Miles the ball.  He had 23 carries and was coming off an injury.   I would have been fine if they used Boston Scott more since the OL was actually good on Sunday.  

28 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think we kind of screwed up these choices. I like Maddox as the FS. Mills back at Corner. 

I like Maddox as a S as well issue Maddox play similar to McLeod 

9 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I am somewhat hoping that the team can figure out a way to lower the cap hits for Jackson, Cox and Graham for the next few years so that the team can keep them.

For example, we owe Cox $15 million in dead money. If his market value is now $10 million a year, we should be able to restructure him for four more years at a total cost of $55 million ($10 million a year plus the dead money.) That averages to just under $14 million a year, which is reasonable.

We owe Graham $17 million, and his current value is probably $6 million a year (Everson Griffin's number.) So we can sign him to a four-year deal for $41 million (24 + 17) or just over $10 million a year.

Cox and Graham have both been healthy, and should be able to play effectively in limited snaps over the next four years. Restructuring Jackson in the same way would also give us some immediate relief while keeping these guys on the team.

I think our dline is fine, it's just that they are massively overpaid. Restructuring those three players would solve that problem while keeping good players in the fold while we restock the line through the draft.

This is Graham’s last season. Money already has been shoved down the road on him. Cox things will work out. I still think he’s a beast. He’ll get it rolling this season. Probably Jackson’s only season.

3 minutes ago, hputenis said:

I don't know how much more they can give Miles the ball.  He had 23 carries and was coming off an injury.   I would have been fine if they used Boston Scott more since the OL was actually good on Sunday.  

He had 20 carries that game but we have two other RBs and Scott was also running for around 5 yards a carry on his 4 touches 

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Except every time we make a move to "improve" we get worse.I mean we have known JP was gonna go away for what 4-5 years now? Amazing he played as long as he did.So we got ONE LOT in 4-5 years? Thats pretty sad that we pinned our hopes on ONE LOT when we saw the writing on the wall.We do the same at most places and while I am all for top rook draft choices,we can't just count on ONE.We should,have been adding LOT's for 2-3-4 drafts.You could at least find a starter and 2 BU's in that group.Where is the DEFINITIVE starter at C for Kelce? Same situation.We are reactive instead of PRO active and it's killing us

We traded up in the first for a LT. We also developed Vatai. He was the actual guy playing the position when we won it all. Seumalo most have been thinking is the backup C. Of coarse he’s the one hurt right now. But Kelce has been very durable.

7 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

You mean like spending a 4th on a rookie T in Driscoll who was overwhelmed in his first start??? Or a 1st on Dillard the year before... Or Big V who become one of our better backups before leaving to get paid??? Or Pryor who actually played well at RG in the Seattle game which was a playoff game last year and also played well from what I heard when he came in vs LA.

 

 

Ok ....you beat me to it LOL