7 hours ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I don’t our OL is bad and I dont think our depth is bad just inexperienced and unfortunately only way to get that experience is to play. Be some growing pains with Driscoll and Herbig but do think both can be good players.

You gotta like heading into a direction of giving youth playing time.

19 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

He had 20 carries that game but we have two other RBs and Scott was also running for around 5 yards a carry on his 4 touches 

My mistake.  I didn't look it up, and for some reason I thought he had 23 carries.  23 must have been total touches.  I still think 20 is a good number for him.  I don't think he is a Josh Jacobs, Ezekiel Elliot type player.  I agree with Boston Scott though.  He sucked against Washington, but if the OL can get just a little push he is effective.  That sounds cliche, but he left yards on the field against Washington trying to wiggle his way outside constantly.  Doesn't work when both of their EDGE guys are much faster than him.  

43 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I can’t agree about Reagor. Him and Wentz connection is paramount to develop. Burnett seems pretty solid. Everything I’ve seen and heard about sounds like he is a much better option than JJAW. Guy just gets it done.

  LeBlanc showed excellent in the slot when healthy. Kind of thought it should of been his job to lose. But many people were very high on Roby- Coleman. He’s better than he’s shown for us so far...I’d even give him that though. Defense needs to come together and gel. Singleton has shown well. I’d have no problem getting him into the fray more. I’m more interested in bringing the defense as a whole together on the same  page. Definitely gotta tighten up on the TEs and short yardage pronto.

I have changed my mind about Reagor after watching the all 22. He was where he was supposed to be, the Rams pretty much made it a priority to make sure he and Desean couldn't get deep. I do think Burnett should get some looks, but he may be a guy they just stash until next year when Desean and Jeffery are gone.

It's odd to me that Singleton never seems to get mentioned by the beat writers as a candidate for more snaps. It's like he is a forgotten part of the team. But I think he would be a pretty decent upgrade over Gerry. He and Edwards worked well together in the preseason last year. I think having two LBs who work together is pretty important. 

24 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You gotta like heading into a direction of giving youth playing time.

Herbig and Lane were far better Sunday than Peters and Seumalo/Pryor. If you watch the film, almost all of our runs went to the right. Though, to be fair, Donald was on the left side, so that makes a pretty big difference.

10 minutes ago, hputenis said:

don't think he is a Josh Jacobs,

You mean the guy that split carried and stayed hurt???? And they are the same size??? Think Sanders is perfectly capable of 20-25 carries a game then you add in 5-10 for the back up guy 3rd guy might get 3-5.

plenty of ways to run the ball so it isn’t solely Sanders 

38 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I like Maddox as a S as well issue Maddox play similar to McLeod 

That’s why I was saying they screwed up the choices. We had a FS in Maddox. Probably should have let McLeod walk.

8 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

You mean the guy that split carried and stayed hurt???? And they are the same size??? Think Sanders is perfectly capable of 20-25 carries a game then you add in 5-10 for the back up guy 3rd guy might get 3-5.

plenty of ways to run the ball so it isn’t solely Sanders 

You could be right.  For some reason, I thought Miles tore his ACL in college, and I have no clue why I thought that.  However, I do think Gruden will run Jacobs into the ground for the next 3 years with 25+ carries/game.  I believe Miles Sanders has way more upside, but I would worry about him getting 25 carries/game.  I don't know why.  It's just a surface level observation.  

I would recommend checking out Jim Schwartz presser. It’s on the old PE.com. He takes the blame for the defensive performance. Talked about how he had several veteran players out of position and with too many responsibilities. Said he needed a more complex gameplan so players could focus on more. 

8 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Just watched the all 22 of the Rams game up until Carson's interception in the end zone. What's sad about that play was the Miles (or Scott) was going on a wheel route against a LB that was going to be wide open had Wentz waited a beat and then looked that way.

Some thoughts.

On offense, we played really well, except for the QB. The line was opening nice running lanes (Herbig is really good.) I didn't think Reagor had a good day running routes, but I was wrong. He looked good out there. They depended on their front four to generate pressure, and it just never happened. Wentz just missed too many throws. I also thought he could have taken some deep shots to Reagor/Desean.

I think this offense will work fine as long as Carson gets better. The game plan was there and the oline was really good. The QB didn't execute.

On defense, my thoughts on Riley/Gerry remain the same. They just didn't make plays, and were out of position too often.

I am an Edwards fan, but I will admit he didn't have a great day. But he caused a fumble on a PR, knocked out their RB with a big hit and stopped Goff for no gain a play or two before Graham's sack that knocked them out of field goal range. He has got to be on the field every play.

Epps had a rough day but he made a really nice open field tackle on a misdirection play at the goal line. I was really down on him but I think he just needs more experience. Safety is tough to play. But he runs well and hits well.

Mills and Robey-Coleman really struggled. R-C in particular had a chance to make a play and missed it. He shouldn't be on the field in the red zone.

Toohill was invisible. I don't know what they saw in him or Avery, but Ostman needs a shot.

I thought our Dline wasn't as bad as advertised. The Rams attack almost exclusively within 10 yards of the LOS, and we were  playing 15 yards off the LOS with our DBs. So it doesn't take a math degree from MIT to figure out the issue. We invested in Slay so that we could play tighter coverage, and then we don't. I just don't get it. But there were so many plays where Gerry, Mills and Riley had chances to make plays and missed. (Edwards wasn't immune from this issue, but as noted he and Epps made the occasional play, while the others didn't.)

The tl,dr version is that if Wentz gets better, this offense should be really good. They have two easy weeks against a bad Bengals team and a banged-up 49ers teams, and then face tough tests against the Ravens and the Steelers. But after that, I don't see them facing any good defenses.

The defense, to me, needs to change its personnel and its scheme. More man coverage to let the defense get home, more Edwards and (any linebacker not named Gerry or Riley), more Strap, and hopefully better play from Mills (or more parks when he is healthy.)   

So did Graham really allow Goff to break contain 8 times on the rollouts?

7 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

And our offense isn't that good either. The way Wentz is playing I'm not sure it really matters. 

But why do we expect Wentz to continue playing poorly?   He played 3 bad halves so far.  Sometimes I think we act as fans like however we play in the moment is always going to be the case.  Guys don't play the same level all the time.  Wentz isn't immune to that.  Brees sucked vs Las Vegas ... it happens.  I just don't expect our QB to play great every game or bad every game.    Especially throwing the football... so many variables but even if there weren't, accuracy will go up and down all the time.  

5 hours ago, jsb235 said:

It was strange to see us against the Rams versus the game against the WFT. The first week, even on the drives we scored on, we made a lot of bad plays. Receivers dropped passes, olinemen missed blocks, etc. In all honesty, I felt like we were lucky to score 17.

Me too.  I felt it was the QB that was the reason we were up 17-0 at this point.     Then the INT and down hill from there from his point of view, with the rest of the team still staying pretty bad that game.     Rams game seemed to be better but QB wasn't consistent.    But I'm still feeling the play calling is off some too.  It seems like random plays where mistakes are made, but I'm not feeling a solid rhythm as far as what Doug is trying to accomplish.   I'd like to see more variety, especially if you see the QB struggle, sometimes the best thing is to  mix it up.  Get him off the same spot, mix in some tempo etc.    It's a long season, things can change quickly with just one win.  We've all seen this story before.  

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think we kind of screwed up these choices. I like Maddox as the FS. Mills back at Corner. 

YEP... who " called"  Mills at CB?     

But anyway... I thought it was you who brought up the Eagles using 2 TEs and how the success rate per play was  towards the bottom of the league if not the actual worst?     165 pages now, I'm not sure where to find it, but I thought it was a great stat.    I like both TEs, not sure playing them together makes sense.  Still feel Ertz doesn't mix well with another TE as he would with a slot WR.  

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This is Graham’s last season. Money already has been shoved down the road on him. Cox things will work out. I still think he’s a beast. He’ll get it rolling this season. Probably Jackson’s only season.

The issue with Graham and Jackson.  releasing them does nothing as far as save money.   We agree the issue is 2021 cap.  Releasing them and then adding salary to replace them just makes it worse.   I think both are here next year.    Wentz, Cox, Lane, Brooks, Hargrave and Slay are the guys who can get extended or redone in order to save cap space.  That's 4 guys over 30 right there. I'm sure things will get done with some of those guys.  Nobody else to me should be on that list.   We could ask them to take a pay cut... guys like Graham and Malik, but they would have to do it first in order for us to save cap space, we couldn't cut them and resign them cheaper because it would cause dead money.  

WE are on the same page with just getting 2021 cap cleared and having the issue for one year, then being able to move on in 2022.   Still gotta give Goedert his extension.  But Barnet is the key piece to me.... average play means he should get cut, we don't have to cap space to do what we did with Agholor.   Dude has to arrive at borderline pro bowl level.   And not just " per snap" basis.... it has to be that he performs well while playing a majority of snaps.   

8 hours ago, jsb235 said:

I think our offense is fine. If you watch the tape there are plenty of open lanes for the running backs and open receivers n passing plays. I was ready to be critical of the team before watching the all 22, but now I am convinced that things are fine as long as Wentz plays better, which doesn't see to be a stretch.

Our offense has struggled for a couple of years now. Nothing looks easy or natural. Wentz always looks like he's having to max out to make even the simplest of plays. I just don't think things are going to suddenly click. Sure he will play better I'm confident of that but this isn't a good offense. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

But why do we expect Wentz to continue playing poorly?   He played 3 bad halves so far.  Sometimes I think we act as fans like however we play in the moment is always going to be the case.  Guys don't play the same level all the time.  Wentz isn't immune to that.  Brees sucked vs Las Vegas ... it happens.  I just don't expect our QB to play great every game or bad every game.    Especially throwing the football... so many variables but even if there weren't, accuracy will go up and down all the time.  

But why do we expect Wentz to turn it around? Actually no that statement is incorrect. We know he can turn it around because he has before. But we also know that these bad patches are a fairly regular thing. He's had them throughout his career. At this point the one summary we can make is that Wentz is a very up and down QB.

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

So did Graham really allow Goff to break contain 8 times on the rollouts?

I wasn't looking for that specifically, but the dline did a poor job on those rollouts, so it is plausible. I think we are so used to being in attack mode that it was easy for the Olinemen to redirect our DEs inside when they wanted to roll out.

What I did notice is that Edwards and Epps both made solid plays on roll outs that turned into runs that were stopped for no gain. So on those two plays we covered well enough to force Goff to run, and then finished the play with a solid tackle.

6 hours ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

At this point the one summary we can make is that Wentz is a very up and down QB.

Honestly always felt Wentz was fairly consistent till this season. He has always been around a 60% completions guy he makes up for it with some spectacular plays. He usually had a really bad game generally Seattle for reason. But overall knew what you were getting and he didn’t throw ints often. 
 

This year it’s really the baffling decision making for me that is the issue 

1 hour ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Honestly always felt Wentz was fairly consistent till this season. He has always been around a 60% completions guy he makes up for it with some spectacular plays. He usually had a really bad game generally Seattle for reason. But overall knew what you were getting and he didn’t throw ints often. 
 

This year it’s really the baffling decision making for me that is the issue 

See if you look at his overall body of work it is rather up and down. Some really top notch games and some absolute stinkers. Accuracy isn't his thing and it never will be because of the type of throws he likes to try and make. He isn't a safe QB, he isn't going to take the easy option if he thinks there is a chance of making a bigger play then he will attempt it. But his overall play and his overall record (outside of 2017) is very average. His record since he tore his ACL is 14-15! And take away the games against Washington and NY and he is something like 8-14.

5 minutes ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

See if you look at his overall body of work it is rather up and down. Some really top notch games and some absolute stinkers. Accuracy isn't his thing and it never will be because of the type of throws he likes to try and make. He isn't a safe QB, he isn't going to take the easy option if he thinks there is a chance of making a bigger play then he will attempt it. But his overall play and his overall record (outside of 2017) is very average. His record since he tore his ACL is 14-15! And take away the games against Washington and NY and he is something like 8-14.

I looked at his body of work hence me saying it’s pretty consistent around a 60% guy he usually good for some TDs and doesn’t throw ints. 
Yea he had the outlier games but overall his body of work is consistent it might not be the level of play some want but I don’t see it jump often 

Just now, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I looked at his body of work hence me saying it’s pretty consistent around a 60% guy he usually good for some TDs and doesn’t throw ints. 
Yea he had the outlier games but overall his body of work is consistent it might not be the level of play some want but I don’t see it jump often 

But completion % isn't the only stat that matters and it isn't what I am referring to. I am saying his overall body of work is very up and down. He's capable of making the jaw dropping play that gets us out of our seats but he is also capable of us having our hands in our heads.

1 minute ago, UK_EaglesFan89 said:

But completion % isn't the only stat that matters and it isn't what I am referring to. I am saying his overall body of work is very up and down. He's capable of making the jaw dropping play that gets us out of our seats but he is also capable of us having our hands in our heads.

His body of work his stats it’s all consistent I don’t look at wins and loses... Completely different his play though isn’t up and down 

1 minute ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

His body of work his stats it’s all consistent I don’t look at wins and loses... Completely different his play though isn’t up and down 

Wins and losses aren't a great indicator I will give you that because a number of factors determine the outcome of a game and not just the QB. But I can instantly think of a few games where if Wentz would have even played half decent football then we would very likely have won.

Like I said always seen Wentz as consistent because I knew what to expect from him some bad throws were a given but generally made up for by the fantastic throws. He didn’t turn the ball over(ints wise at least) has always had the fumbling issue. Yardage for the most part is consistent most of the games he isn’t around 250 is because we had a commanding lead and actually ran.

This year to me is the outlier and it is mainly because of the bonehead decisions

Also most of Wentz really terrible games tended to come from him trying to force plays ie Seattle games or NO couple seasons ago 

10 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

His body of work his stats it’s all consistent I don’t look at wins and loses... Completely different his play though isn’t up and down 

Wins vs loses are why we drafted him.IDC about stats.You can throw for 5000 yards a year and still be a .500 club tossing multiple game picks(see Jameis Winston).I want W's and I don't are how you get them