Round 1: No. 9 (from DEN) 

Round 2: No. 40 (from DEN) 

Round 2: No. 41 

Round 3: No. 72 

Round 4: No. 109 (from NYJ) 

Round 5: No. 145 (from DET through DEN) 

Round 6: No. 153 

Round 7: No. 229     Seahawks picks

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Round 1: No. 9 (from DEN) 

Round 2: No. 40 (from DEN) 

Round 2: No. 41 

Round 3: No. 72 

Round 4: No. 109 (from NYJ) 

Round 5: No. 145 (from DET through DEN) 

Round 6: No. 153 

Round 7: No. 229     Seahawks picks

IDK maybe we could work a deal with Dillard and our 83 for their 41. I don't see them giving up a top 10

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2022/consensus-big-board-2022   Concensus shows them taking the OT I thought they would

5 minutes ago, stine said:

  There is enough film on Dillard at LT. Seattle knows Malaita and how good he is.

Sure,but he wasnt really a starter before we had Mailata in place. he was pretty lackluster IMO

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

After all my calculations(which could be fruitless) I believe we move for Stingley. This would still give us picks with positional players we need who we have show interest in. I know we dont draft CB's first either. But with the move up at 15 and down at 18 this would be the most viable/logical plan. Of course it's only a theory and Slay is not getting younger

This makes plenty of sense on many levels. There is the injury situation with him also though. Think he had core muscle injury with surgery. He hasn’t played much either. He’s a swing for the fences kind of pick. High ceiling —-low floor. He’s risky!

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sure,but he wasnt really a starter before we had Mailata in place. he was pretty lackluster IMO

Last year he filled in a couple games and did a good job. He played poorly on the right side....

55 minutes ago, stine said:

You should run for office Joe.

I'm just giving the explanation.  I know everything in this world has a possibility of happening for the first time... but practical thinking means you shouldn't bet on those things.   

Again..if we draft LB or S... I will love it. I don't even care who the player is...it simply breaks a decades long trend which I'm not a fan of following,  simply just to do so in such an extreme fashion.

But still not going to convince EVER, that this is the year.  Not until it happens. 

Well a mere 7 days and we'll be swearing at Howie and throwing stuff at the TV.

Good times.

30 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK if I'm Seattle I'm wondering if he is that good why he's not starting. I have a potential rook OT I can mold to my team for 5 years. I suppose it's possible,I just don't think they would bite on it

Dillard would be a plan B.   His value is lower because he is a free agent next year.    I think he is absolutely a starter in this league.     Just need the right trade for the Eagles to give up the depth ( even for just a year)    

Absolutely a possibility.   Day 2, I would expect the highest probability of a Dillard trade.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

It means I don't think they will do it based history.   So for me, until it actually happens, I will continue to think this way.  Rinse repeat every year with this stuff.  Similar to a punter having the " highest grade" not being what I consider BPA. 

I will let it happen once, then I will consider it being a legit possibility the next time. As for now, I don't expect the safety to be the first pick.   I would love to see it simply to break the trend.  That or LB.

I know you aren’t much of a fan of watching the pressers. But Rosie had a few recently. He makes some interesting points that I believe is telling. He made the point that he doesn’t believe in following the trends. He was asked about the big Wr trade and contract situations. He shared that he believed if you are following the trends in the NFL that will lead you to middle of the pack. He really wants to be ahead of the trends. Values his analytics. Seems to me like he is supremely confident in himself. Don’t think he’s too scared of doing the work and making his own decisions based on all his own intel. I like that about him. He might be a bit too confident. He also might not do the right thing because it’s too trendy. Like….he has to do it his own way. His ego needs that. Haven’t known many GMs that look for the glory and credit as much as Rosie. When his ego and pride got put in check with Chipper we got the best from him. He does have some great abilities and talent at his job. If he can just dial things back a tiny bit his qualities tend to shine. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Yes I would think teams would want to draft the high prospect.   Rookie deal and 5 years of control.  Dillard will be a free agent after this year.   However, I do think it's very possible Dillard could be traded as plan B for any of these teams that need OL.

  And I like your scenario, but I will add.  1. I don't think his value will be second round.  3rd would be great, probably 4th or maybe 5th.   I don't think the Eagles would trade him for below a 3rd rounder.     2. This leads me to think it's more likely he could be included in a trade up.    Probably a late 3rd round value ... via the draft points?  Who knows. I don't think Dillard and 15 gets us in the top 10.  I think his value may be more of the trade that would be our trade down or moving up with the 3rd round picks.   

Example 15, plus Dillard and a 3rd to move up.    Or 18 plus Dillard...gets us better value in the move backwards?  

 

Pretty well thought out and educated response. I tend to agree with your assessment here. Right now that is. I think Dillard’s highest value will come once key injuries occur. A contending teams left tackle goes down or is playing up to standard and we could really score trading Dillard. The more I’ve thought about it waiting until before the trade deadline is the most likely spot for us to fleece somebody for him. Just won’t be many options at that point. 

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

It means I don't think they will do it based history.   So for me, until it actually happens, I will continue to think this way.  Rinse repeat every year with this stuff.  Similar to a punter having the " highest grade" not being what I consider BPA. 

I will let it happen once, then I will consider it being a legit possibility the next time. As for now, I don't expect the safety to be the first pick.   I would love to see it simply to break the trend.  That or LB.

In his presser he was real convincing of not being rigid to one plan. Really exposing how his philosophy changes and adapts all the time. He’s watching trends. But he’s looking for what he perceives as the weak spots and underrated value situations league wide. Also think our defense is different than we’ve been running in the past. So think he’s adapting and changing with things. 

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Anything is possible. Who is the BU then?

 

Driscoll is the backup T. He supposedly can swing. Obviously can play G also. If he really is set to trade Dillard this season now or later….then I could see him drafting a T. Not necessarily super high as he should have time to develop.

20 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Dillard would be a plan B.   His value is lower because he is a free agent next year.    I think he is absolutely a starter in this league.     Just need the right trade for the Eagles to give up the depth ( even for just a year)    

Absolutely a possibility.   Day 2, I would expect the highest probability of a Dillard trade.

Yeah I was thinking Dillard and our 83 for their 41

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Driscoll is the backup T. He supposedly can swing. Obviously can play G also. If he really is set to trade Dillard this season now or later….then I could see him drafting a T. Not necessarily super high as he should have time to develop.

Not supremely confident if he had to take over

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Oh I'm sure all this news is out there.. along with QB visits etc.   I think a lot is open to " possibilities "  and that they like to keep the rest of the league thinking that way.    However,  I will be surprised if we see top investment in a rookie safety or an old one like Honeybadger....at this particular point in time.   

Really like the many different type options in this draft for S. I see us getting one pretty early. Now to me that means somewhere first two days. I do think Hamilton is rated that high on our board to move the needle. Think Rosie ,if he got him, would say he was top five on our board. We talked with the top FA S this year. Guy had plenty of suitors. So no need to just BS to drive the price up. So we were interested. Honey Badger it feels like isn’t breaking the bank anymore. Not saying cheap. I think HB isn’t a guy that’s worried he won’t find a job. So he likes his position and wasn’t going to sign with anybody quickly. Purely just a guess on my part. I do think these guys are all in play for us. Very much the day and age and our DC to utilize three S. I’ve been on here for about a decade stating my opinion of going big on S. If you can find guys that can cover TE, Slot receivers, RB and play zones…..that’s everything. How many of them can you put on the field at once if they also tackle well(which is practically assumed calling a guy a S). You throw in any blitz capabilities and you can do so much. It’s the best way to disguise your defense. Is that guy lined up as a slot corner, will he blitz, playing a LB role, SS…..or will he bail and cover deep? These are the guys I’d want if I’m a DC. Facing a bunch of them as an offense would be very tough. Best way to beat a bunch of S is power football like the Niners play. But that’s why they are successful with that style….because not much of it being played anymore.

57 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This makes plenty of sense on many levels. There is the injury situation with him also though. Think he had core muscle injury with surgery. He hasn’t played much either. He’s a swing for the fences kind of pick. High ceiling —-low floor. He’s risky!

"Stingley  he has met with the New York Giants and Jets in Indianapolis, among other franchises. He added that teams have not expressed any concerns to him about his foot injury.       This was at the combine,so seems like he is fine to me

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

In his presser he was real convincing of not being rigid to one plan. Really exposing how his philosophy changes and adapts all the time. He’s watching trends. But he’s looking for what he perceives as the weak spots and underrated value situations league wide. Also think our defense is different than we’ve been running in the past. So think he’s adapting and changing with things. 

Baloney. Like Joe said he hasn't taken a LB or CB first in history,so that "I'm open to anything" is BS"

1 hour ago, stine said:

  It is possible I have him over valued. If they cannot get a mid round second than I would not trade him. He is a solid LT and that is hard to find. It could be why he remains on our team. Howie is always talking to clubs about his/Their players and I have to think Dillard's name has come up before now.....

I think he’s at a third for a team that really likes him and is need….right now. For a backup lineman that’s really good value. Like I just stated to No Mas…..think to get highest trade for him we need to wait for key injury. Always best to fleece somebody that’s desperate. But hey, if a contending teams LT gets hurt or is their big weakness….overpaying for Dillard is a good move for them. But if trading him gets us the guy we need in this draft I’d take less for the payoff we’d receive. We are going to trade him. Everybody knows it. Interested to see how it plays out.

20 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

what he perceives as the weak spots and underrated value situations league wide.

As I have said many times,Howie is very good at finding late gems(BU's but solid ones). His issues are finding the top rated talent. Everyone and their brother knew JJ was the pick(except you maybe-no offense). Passing on Metcalf? Ya gotta know who has the talent in rounds 1/2 or you will die on the vine

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think he’s at a third for a team that really likes him and is need….right now. For a backup lineman that’s really good value. Like I just stated to No Mas…..think to get highest trade for him we need to wait for key injury. Always best to fleece somebody that’s desperate. But hey, if a contending teams LT gets hurt or is their big weakness….overpaying for Dillard is a good move for them. But if trading him gets us the guy we need in this draft I’d take less for the payoff we’d receive. We are going to trade him. Everybody knows it. Interested to see how it plays out.

Who's going to have a key injury in the next 7 days not playing? Is Dillard better than Driscoll? Even though I am not a fan,I believe he is

13 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Really like the many different type options in this draft for S. I see us getting one pretty early. Now to me that means somewhere first two days. I do think Hamilton is rated that high on our board to move the needle. Think Rosie ,if he got him, would say he was top five on our board. We talked with the top FA S this year. Guy had plenty of suitors. So no need to just BS to drive the price up. So we were interested. Honey Badger it feels like isn’t breaking the bank anymore. Not saying cheap. I think HB isn’t a guy that’s worried he won’t find a job. So he likes his position and wasn’t going to sign with anybody quickly. Purely just a guess on my part. I do think these guys are all in play for us. Very much the day and age and our DC to utilize three S. I’ve been on here for about a decade stating my opinion of going big on S. If you can find guys that can cover TE, Slot receivers, RB and play zones…..that’s everything. How many of them can you put on the field at once if they also tackle well(which is practically assumed calling a guy a S). You throw in any blitz capabilities and you can do so much. It’s the best way to disguise your defense. Is that guy lined up as a slot corner, will he blitz, playing a LB role, SS…..or will he bail and cover deep? These are the guys I’d want if I’m a DC. Facing a bunch of them as an offense would be very tough. Best way to beat a bunch of S is power football like the Niners play. But that’s why they are successful with that style….because not much of it being played anymore.

I like my sleeper pick(so does Stine) Nick Cross,probably a round 3 pick. I know we have spent alot of time with Pitre,but he would be a round 2

1 hour ago, stine said:

JJAW is a waste. I think that is a bust and we cannot even consider him as a viable option. If he cannot catch as a WR, why use him as a TE? To block? May as well suit up a OT instead...

I’ve been inclined to agree with you here. Siri likes him. He works hard and is a good influence. Those are good guys to have pushing others at practice. Also feel I must note he is a very strong ST guy. So that gives him much more value than a T playing TE. Need those third string guys playing ST. That allows him to dress on gamedays. So he is a core ST, can backup at TE and WR. Some value there for a guy that’s bottom of the roster. I know No Mas and BG and others love to shred me because I care about the whole 53 makeup. Rather be talking about Deebo. But can see a possibility for a very versatile hard worker like JJAW making the team. Far from guaranteed. As a second round pick he’s terribly disappointing. But looking at him as number 50 man on the roster he does actually have value. 
 

So now I’ve even stood up for JJAW A tiny bit. Feels weird. Never thought I’d be doing that.

 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK if I'm Seattle I'm wondering if he is that good why he's not starting. I have a potential rook OT I can mold to my team for 5 years. I suppose it's possible,I just don't think they would bite on it

I see Dillard as a legit starting LT. Much worse around the league. He played well last season. Strong trade bait this second. If he looks good in the PS we could really strike gold. If we still have him and he struggles in the PS his value tanks. Those are the risks.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ve been inclined to agree with you here. Siri likes him. He works hard and is a good influence. Those are good guys to have pushing others at practice. Also feel I must note he is a very strong ST guy. So that gives him much more value than a T playing TE. Need those third string guys playing ST. That allows him to dress on gamedays. So he is a core ST, can backup at TE and WR. Some value there for a guy that’s bottom of the roster. I know No Mas and BG and others love to shred me because I care about the whole 53 makeup. Rather be talking about Deebo. But can see a possibility for a very versatile hard worker like JJAW making the team. Far from guaranteed. As a second round pick he’s terribly disappointing. But looking at him as number 50 man on the roster he does actually have value. 
 

So now I’ve even stood up for JJAW A tiny bit. Feels weird. Never thought I’d be doing that.

 

He's not Pitts LOL. Not really a fan of position changes. I think they are trying to make him stick somehow

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I see Dillard as a legit starting LT. Much worse around the league. He played well last season. Strong trade bait this second. If he looks good in the PS we could really strike gold. If we still have him and he struggles in the PS his value tanks. Those are the risks.

SO why then would you trade him and keep Driscoll as a BU when it's obvious Dillard is better? Gonna be a tough well after the draft ends