Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I believe in there being a whole team. I’m not WR obsessed like you. We’ve invested a bunch but still are lacking. Your plan is fix WR at all cost and let too much else slide. Need to invest everywhere. The more you share the wealth the more balanced you can be.

Maybe you need to get obsessed because your boys future depends on it

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Your plan is fix WR at all cost

who the hell said that?? Not me

What's cheaper drafting one or paying 1?? You want to talk costs? go for it. I would rather spend my money on that defense you say I ignore,so I would do that(like we just DID) and get my WR's in the draft. We got Reddick,White and are looking at honey badger,so who's ignoring defense?  I should not have to BUY my team every year

I missed out again.

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42 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I missed out again.

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1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO OH like I'm drafting 5 WR's??? NO one every 2 years and you fngotta btch to btch. did I say I was ignoring defense? fact remains,if we can't score 35 points a game we're not going to the SB. very few SB's are won with a 6-3 score

I’m just pointing out the obvious of there is a whole team. Hurts definitely needs help. Think he’s capable of leading this team. But I don’t want him playing Hero ball all the time. He needs a playmaking WR. Feels like if we keep just trading back picks for the future it’s to his end. Maybe Siri too. That 16 pick used on offense this season could no doubt make Hurts look better. Don’t think our young receivers were enough to give him a fair chance. His job could be so much easier. Think Siri was really messing up to start last season also. I was predicting a dominant rushing team approach. Was Siri flailing or was Rosie forcing him to push Hurts before the deadline. It was that flagrant of bad coaching. Even if Rosie was forcing his hand I put that on the coach some. Aren’t going to survive without standing up fir yourself. No coach will by having a GM run his team for him.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMAO OH like I'm drafting 5 WR's??? NO one every 2 years and you fngotta btch to btch. did I say I was ignoring defense? fact remains,if we can't score 35 points a game we're not going to the SB. very few SB's are won with a 6-3 score

I don’t mean to come off b17ching at you. Just feels like you are forcing picks. Doesn’t matter our draft position or the players…you just want receivers. Just feels like a recipe for disaster. But I just don’t look at winning in the NFL like you do. Think there are plenty of ways to win each week. But coaches need weapons and matchups to work each week. Get me playmakers at any position and we got something to work with. If we have a dominant D and physical rushing attack….I go with that. 

But I’m also pointing out how you don’t get the value drafting WR now. They all holdout and gotta break the bank or get traded before their last year of contract. This to me makes it obvious that I get more value at other positions drafting. If I draft a LB and get him fir five years on rookie wage and then can actually keep him at a fraction of the cost of the receiver I can beat your team building philosophy all day long. Ten year other position vs three year WR…..I win that draft.

That’s just my opinion on the current events taking place with these rookie receivers. It says to me you get short changed. That’s my viewpoint and takeaway.

That’s the part I like about Rosie. He really invests in measuring the situation. Things have changed since his older philosophies though. S were cheap. The price caught up so that isn’t the case currently. Corner is what I identified as the best value position currently. Revis was breaking the bank….along with Neon Deon and such. TE has been a steal the whole time. So I still agree with that. A few huge contracts made it less the steal bargain it used to be. Also some of these TE are pushing to be considered WR. LB are cheap. But I don’t see having a bunch of them in todays game. Really could get by with one three down stud. When we played the Niners their stud LB controlled that game. I want that guy. But thinking 4-3 with 3 LB is gone. Only can pull them out on short yardage and goaline package now. Nickle and Dime you better be good. If you are you can really hide and confuse QBs though. If everybody is a DB what’s his read?

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t mean to come off b17ching at you. Just feels like you are forcing picks. Doesn’t matter our draft position or the players…you just want receivers. Just feels like a recipe for disaster. But I just don’t look at winning in the NFL like you do. Think there are plenty of ways to win each week. But coaches need weapons and matchups to work each week. Get me playmakers at any position and we got something to work with. If we have a dominant D and physical rushing attack….I go with that. 

No, not forcing.I'm saying WR's are usually fairly abundant in most drafts,so why not keep the top ones coming? You can always trade them if you get too many. It's harder to do this theory with CB's or S's as there aren't usually any top 3/4 guys every year. You may find 1 or 2,but there are more WR's. WR's seem to be alot more NFL ready now. 

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But I’m also pointing out how you don’t get the value drafting WR now. They all holdout and gotta break the bank or get traded before their last year of contract. This to me makes it obvious that I get more value at other positions drafting. If I draft a LB and get him fir five years on rookie wage and then can actually keep him at a fraction of the cost of the receiver I can beat your team building philosophy all day long. Ten year other position vs three year WR…..I win that draft.

Thats like I said.If you keep the top guys coming you have the option of letting them go,because you already have their replacements here.You save nothing because WR pay is the same as a rook as a LB, and your longevity thing about LB doesn't hold up because players don't usually commit to the loyalty thing like they used to. So after 5 years you're looking at replacing both and you know we wouldn't draft a top LB every other year right?

IDK Dullaz has a load of great LB's didn't seem to help them much

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK Dullaz has a load of great LB's didn't seem to help them much

I’d point to coaching mostly with them….thank goodness. But like I said, you don’t need a ton of good LBs.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d point to coaching mostly with them….thank goodness. But like I said, you don’t need a ton of good LBs.

Oh well,this is why neither of us are NFL coaches 😂

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Thats like I said.If you keep the top guys coming you have the option of letting them go,because you already have their replacements here.You save nothing because WR pay is the same as a rook as a LB, and your longevity thing about LB doesn't hold up because players don't usually commit to the loyalty thing like they used to. So after 5 years you're looking at replacing both and you know we wouldn't draft a top LB every other year right?

I’m saying LB are just cheaper. So extending and paying them costs half that of a WR. So your drafting a guy that can be here for a long time. Rookie year every player is learning.  Only a very rare few light it up. So your drafting and training…the guy to play elsewhere. Just a slim margin of payoff on these WR.

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Oh well,this is why neither of us are NFL coaches 😂

I’ve been masterful…..on Madden at times in my younger days 🤣

McCarthy just never been brilliant. Was so glad they hired him. They’ll fire him after we win the division this year.

But you obviously aren’t seeing my point about the current climate in the league with WR. This is a huge new development. It effects my opinion on things. 

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts definitely needs help. Think he’s capable of leading this team. But I don’t want him playing Hero ball all the time. He needs a playmaking WR. Feels like if we keep just trading back picks for the future it’s to his end. Maybe Siri too. That 16 pick used on offense this season could no doubt make Hurts look better. Don’t think our young receivers were enough to give him a fair chance. His job could be so much easier. Think Siri was really messing up to start last season also. I was predicting a dominant rushing team approach. Was Siri flailing or was Rosie forcing him to push Hurts before the deadline. It was that flagrant of bad coaching. Even if Rosie was forcing his hand I put that on the coach some. Aren’t going to survive without standing up fir yourself. No coach will by having a GM run his team for him.

This whole comment is just a joke. Was Siri perfect nope was our WRs nope… but let’s not act like Hurts wasn’t equally honestly more so at fault then either group guys were getting up that the players and scheme hurts was flat out missing regularly.

Did we and should we be a pass first team yes it isn’t hard to tell… We ranked 25th in passing last year massive reason for that is Hurts shortcomings. The 7 teams worse then us none made the playoffs and only two had a winning record. 
 

The only other team in the bottom 16 in passing that went to the playoffs was the Titans.

 

At the end of the day we won’t keep Hurts if he can’t show to he a good passer and for good reason 

52 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

This whole comment is just a joke. Was Siri perfect nope was our WRs nope… but let’s not act like Hurts wasn’t equally honestly more so at fault then either group guys were getting up that the players and scheme hurts was flat out missing regularly.

Did we and should we be a pass first team yes it isn’t hard to tell… We ranked 25th in passing last year massive reason for that is Hurts shortcomings. The 7 teams worse then us none made the playoffs and only two had a winning record. 
 

The only other team in the bottom 16 in passing that went to the playoffs was the Titans.

 

At the end of the day we won’t keep Hurts if he can’t show to he a good passer and for good reason 

Yet I was confident and sure we’d be a dominant run team. That pass pass pass method was terrible. I’m not going to act like Hurts isn’t part of that issue. Think there were many factors though. But this wasn’t just me. It was so bad there was fairly wide spread rumor that Rosie was forcing Siri to do it to judge Hurts quickly before the trade deadline. If you can’t see how the whole season turned by doing what should have been the obvious plan from the get go then you just going to blame Hurts for everything. Playcalling a design wasn’t good. The idea that Siri thought he had to go shootout with Dallas…..was moronic. But sure Hurts should have carried the team more than the 80 percent he was of the offense early on shoving the ball to Jalen Reagor. Reagor is what now instead of a starter? Fourth string. There is a reason. It isn’t all because of Hurts.

Just gonna toss this out. You know you spend 4-5 years building a team, then you change coaches/QB's. It's not like plug and play. Every coach has a different view,like we have on here. Unless you are just a yes man(those don't last long because owners don't want to babysit),you have your own ideas about team building. Many times it's not just picking up where the last guy left off and adding to it. You sometimes have to take a year to tear what was "built" down. Players no longer "fit"(such as Barwin for example) This is why I hate changing coaches so often. You need that longevity,but you need success along the way and owners don't like to wait. So let's see what Siri learned and I'm sorry,but I still think Shew is better suited to this team. he isn't the answer, but I feel it's more on what Siri wants as a coach. I'm sure Howie won't allow a change even if Shew is better in camp unless Siri stands up(if he is indeed better). So,I want to see if Hurts has expanded as a passer. If not it's going to be a long season with alot of disappointed WR's. Early last year we were all screaming "RUN THE BALL".This indeed opened up the passing game. Gotta have a team that can do both EVERY game and tailor the game to the opponent,so I need to see growth from Siri also. if hurts does the 1 read and panic/run,getting more WR's won't mean a damn thing as far as WR development and if Hurts stares them down again(which makes life joyous for opposing S's) then we and Howie need to see it so we can comfortably MOVE ON with no questions. I was glad when the change hit because watching our Oline NOT opening holes for the RB's because they were too  busy pass blocking while Hurts held the ball for eternity was refreshing. We need to start the season that way. Lurie can scream all he wants about passing more,but this team has always been about the running game. Sometimes Lurie/Howie need to STFU and let the people they hired do their jobs.. I always laugh when I hear "oh RB's don't matter,it's a passing league".BS and y'all know I am a WR offense type,but even as dumb as I am I understand that doesn't work without a running/short pass game. We should see Gainwell involved more. I liked what little I saw from him. Scott is a workhorse,glad we re-signed him. Now Sanders needs to step up. Goedert is fine,but we need that 2nd TE to emerge. Maybe that is Jjaw. I will give him a chance. i was not a fan of him as a WR,but that doesn't mean he can't succeed as a TE,so we shall see how that goes. Quez is hot/cold,I really would like 2 WR's this draft just to light the fire under the loafers to let them know their job is not automatic and we have every intention of replacing those that can't cut it

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Yet I was confident and sure we’d be a dominant run team. That pass pass pass method was terrible. I’m not going to act like Hurts isn’t part of that issue. Think there were many factors though. But this wasn’t just me. It was so bad there was fairly wide spread rumor that Rosie was forcing Siri to do it to judge Hurts quickly before the trade deadline. If you can’t see how the whole season turned by doing what should have been the obvious plan from the get go then you just going to blame Hurts for everything. Playcalling a design wasn’t good. The idea that Siri thought he had to go shootout with Dallas…..was moronic. But sure Hurts should have carried the team more than the 80 percent he was of the offense early on shoving the ball to Jalen Reagor. Reagor is what now instead of a starter? Fourth string. There is a reason. It isn’t all because of Hurts.

The season turned because of the competition we faced last not act like that wasn’t the biggest factor.

playing Washington with backups, NYG, Jets, Saints with a 3rd string QB etc. 

You love to point out Siri faults and the other players faults but never Hurts it’s comical. No Siri wasn’t perfect no our weapons weren’t perfect. But Hurts did have a WR put up 900 yards a TE put up 850 yards and a 3rd option put up 650 yards sooo the idea that there wasn’t help is moronic.

And you make a case that Hurts is a huge reason why guy like Smith doesn’t go well over the 1000 yard mark so many missed throws to him.

But the bottom line is you just don’t win being a run heavy team and it shows when you look at all the bottom ranked passing teams. Of the bottom 16 squads in passing 2 made the playoffs I believe 2/16 teams 

At the end of the day to me Hurts limited the things Siri truly wanted to do he had to revamp the entire offense on the fly just to cater to Hurts to have meh success and only against lesser teams. 
 

At the day Hurts looks like a backup QB needs to make massive strides as a passer to get to above below avg. 

I believe as a team you need to have the ability to attack teams weaknesses. If we are playing a team with a hobbled secondary like the Bucs in the playoffs we should be able to take advantage of them in the passing game which we could not. That is a massive problem in my eyes 

41 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

I believe as a team you need to have the ability to attack teams weaknesses. If we are playing a team with a hobbled secondary like the Bucs in the playoffs we should be able to take advantage of them in the passing game which we could not. That is a massive problem in my eyes 

Yeah we weren’t nearly good enough for any of that. Siri wasn’t remotely ready fir that. Go down the list of the whole team. Bowles destroyed Siri and his gameplan. He’s just way ahead of him as a coach. The Bucs were a much more talented team which obviously helps. Hurts needed to do much more(in case whole team wasn’t including him enough).