16 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Is Hutchinson ….Bosa? Heck no.

It doesn't work that way. Barnett was drafted based on the fact he broke Reggie Whites sack records at Tenn.

That didn't work out very well.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Could be a huge class of pass rushers. Four guys could have massive ratings of NFL potential and readiness. Doesn’t mean all will be taken number one. That’s a whole different thing. Your NFL potential and readiness is a measure you use every year that doesn’t change. You don’t just go way up because this year’s class is weak at the position. See the difference? Nobody is saying all the picks won’t be made. Nothing to do with that at all. But is every year’s pick at the same overall spot equal? Absolutely not.

Who said I am going "way up"? So these 4 have round 1 rankings,now do that with the other positions and in the END you will have 32 round 1 rated picks

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ranking players versus his own class is separate from rating a players NFL readiness and potential. Two totally different things here.

You are now talking about "transitioning" that is different than draft ranking,if you feel they won't transition,then they fall off your round 1 rank list no?

4 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

It doesn't work that way. Barnett was drafted based on the fact he broke Reggie Whites sack records at Tenn.

That didn't work out very well.

Yep,you can only rank what is offered in any given draft year

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Who said I am going "way up"? So these 4 have round 1 rankings,now do that with the other positions and in the END you will have 32 round 1 rated picks

I tried to explain there are two totally different things we are talking about. I understand perfectly what you are talking about: all the picks will be made. But you just aren’t going to listen to me explaining to you about rating players based on NFL readiness and potential. This is most important. You rate the guy solely based on that one single player. Has zero to do with any other player in his draft class. That’s a whole other step of draft prep and situations you are talking about. Rating the player comes first.

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Is Malik Willis Arod? NO but he has a round 1 draft grade,it's YOU who don;t understand

GB, Ham is right on this one. Yes 32 players have to be picked in the first round. Yes we all know that there may or may not be 32 players good enough to be drafted there. Regardless, every team has to pick where they are slotted. From what I have heard there are around 15 players that are solid Starters. then there are about 40 more players that are real close as far as how they are graded. So what teams will try to do is trade back if they are in that situation. If not, they will pick a player they feel is best suited for their club.

  You think because 32 players are drafted in round 1 that they all have first round grades? Seriously? When we drafted Reagor, did you really feel he was a round 1 graded talent? I know the Eagles thought he was. I did not. Do you think anyone other than the Eagles had Danny Watkins as a round 1 graded player? He stunk and most teams did not even have hiom graded as a 2nd round choice. But hey!  he was drafted in round 1 so he was a round 1 graded player! 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I tried to explain there are two totally different things we are talking about. I understand perfectly what you are talking about: all the picks will be made. But you just aren’t going to listen to me explaining to you about rating players based on NFL readiness and potential. This is most important. You rate the guy solely based on that one single player. Has zero to do with any other player in his draft class. That’s a whole other step of draft prep and situations you are talking about. Rating the player comes first.

Ready or NOT ready you take your picks because you have them ranked as such,in an "order of importance" You can't say "well I'm not picking Hutch because he's not Bosa

2 minutes ago, stine said:

GB, Ham is right on this one. Yes 32 players have to be picked in the first round. Yes we all know that there may or may not be 32 players good enough to be drafted there. Regardless, every team has to pick where they are slotted. From what I have heard there are around 15 players that are solid Starters. then there are about 40 more players that are real close as far as how they are graded. So what teams will try to do is trade back if they are in that situation. If not, they will pick a player they feel is best suited for their club.

  You think because 32 players are drafted in round 1 that they all have first round grades? Seriously? When we drafted Reagor, did you really feel he was a round 1 graded talent? I know the Eagles thought he was. I did not. Do you think anyone other than the Eagles had Danny Watkins as a round 1 graded player? He stunk and most teams did not even have hiom graded as a 2nd round choice. But hey!  he was drafted in round 1 so he was a round 1 graded player! 

They have to be good enough because 32 players will be drafted every round..There are 32 because those 32 are better than the remaining draftees???

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ready or NOT ready you take your picks because you have them ranked as such,in an "order of importance" You can't say "well I'm not picking Hutch because he's not Bosa

I never said anything like that. Trying to explain my best that it’s exactly not what I’m saying

If I can't have Bosa I'm not drafting?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I never said anything like that. Trying to explain my best that it’s exactly not what I’m saying

So you're going to compare every draft pick to those in the HOF or the last 2 drafts? No,you have to take what's offered

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

If I can't have Bosa I'm not drafting?

Would you give up the same draft capital in trade for Bosa as Hutchinson?

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yes we all know that there may or may not be 32 players good enough to be drafted there.

They have to be good enough or they would not be round 1 selections. Now if you want to COMPARE them to previous drafts,thats something else,fact remians 32 guys are good enough to be round 1 picks and maybe all 32 are worse than the last 2 years,but thats the way it is

I’d give up much more for Burrow  than I would anybody in this draft class. Somebody will still go number one though.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Would you give up the same draft capital in trade for Bosa as Hutchinson?

Bosa is NOT IN THIS DRAFT

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d give up much more for Burrow  than I would anybody in this draft class. Somebody will still go number one though.

Burrow is NOT IN THIS DRAFT

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

They have to be good enough or they would not be round 1 selections. Now if you want to COMPARE them to previous drafts,thats something else,fact remians 32 guys are good enough to be round 1 picks and maybe all 32 are worse than the last 2 years,but thats the way it is

That something else is exactly what I’m talking about. Rating a player for his NFL potential and readiness.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Bosa is NOT IN THIS DRAFT

Burrow is NOT IN THIS DRAFT

I tried to explain it to you. Probably best I can do. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That something else is exactly what I’m talking about. Rating a player for his NFL potential and readiness.

And teams will take the best 32 that is OFFERED. even if they all SUCK they are the best 32 no??? ready or not ready?

For your purposes….let’s say you have a huge rating drop off from the fifteenth player in this class to the sixteenth rated player. Yes somebody will be picked at 16. Where do you want to be?

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

For your purposes….let’s say you have a huge rating drop off from the fifteenth player in this class to the sixteenth rated player. Yes somebody will be picked at 16. Where do you want to be?

If that's my 16th best player in this draft,then I take him,because 17-32 are WORSE on my rank list(aka big board) unless my team is so good I can postpone them all until next year

Obviously I try to trade up,but if no takers I take player 16, so that player was the best I could get because 17-32 are worse yet,that is what taking the BPA is. Doesn't mean they are great,it means they are the BPA

On a scale of 100. You have the fifteenth guy rated 83 and the sixteenth guy rated 74. Yes, somebody will be drafted at 15 and 16. It doesn’t  make those guys any closer to being the same NFL prospects.

So based on rating an individual player for his NFL readiness and potential(same scale used every season)…..you want to make moves accordingly. How good a guy can be is more important than whether he’s ranked a spot less on this year’s Big Board. Totally different measurements.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

On a scale of 100. You have the fifteenth guy rated 83 and the sixteenth guy rated 74. Yes, somebody will be drafted at 15 and 16. It doesn’t  make those guys any closer to being the same NFL prospects.

But pick 15 and 16 go on round 1???? Therefore both are rated round 1 picks,you can argue 15 is better,16 is a drop off,but he is still the BPA

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

So based on rating an individual player for his NFL readiness and potential(same scale used every season)…..you want to make moves accordingly. How good a guy can be is more important than whether he’s ranked a spot less on this year’s Big Board. Totally different measurements.

That is a TRANSITION grade NOT a draft grade. So if NOONE is as good as your imaginary scale then you should just trade all your picks away. You have to take each draft separately. Send me a link to this "scale"

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Obviously I try to trade up,but if no takers I take player 16

Exactly, you try and trade up…or trade back. Get the best value. Where are the drop offs in this class and the strengths. Try and position yourself accordingly to get the best value. All the picks will be made regardless. Hate to take a guy at 16 that barely outrates a guy at 50.

So if there are 10 guys ranked according to your scale,there is no sense picking at 15 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly, you try and trade up…or trade back. Get the best value. Where are the drop offs in this class and the strengths. Try and position yourself accordingly to get the best value. All the picks will be made regardless. Hate to take a guy at 16 that barely outrates a guy at 50.

What if noone trades with you????? DO you take player 16 ? Do you have a choice?

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

So if there are 10 guys ranked according to your scale,there is no sense picking at 15 

What if noone trades with you?????

Then you get poor value

But you are talking about two different things here. That’s the point. Rating how good a player is separate as an individual….and ranking him vs this class by overall and position. Totally different things.