Last week I posted a quote from Andy Reid about how impressed he was w/ Hurts and how it takes 4 yrs to develop a QB. Steichen took over more of the play calling half way thru the season last yr. I don't think it's a coincidence that's when Hurts starting doing better. I believe he'll be better this yr. He still has to run, it's the way he plays and we shouldn't try to change who he is. 

I agree ‘58. No need to change him. Just help and develop. I pointed out footwork being huge for improving his passing. Steichen said specifically Hurts has shown improvement there this offseason. Don’t think he’s been used to utilizing a TE much in college. So he started developing that part of his game last year. To me it was a very noticeable area he improved. Most TE are a QB best friend. Hurts bringing over AJ is huge. Going from Reagor to AJ is going to show. Nobody can do things alone. Smitty is a legit WR. How high is his ceiling? That part I wonder. He’s so silky smooth. Will he have a season putting up 1,500 yards? How much of a Redzone weapon will he be? I’m convinced he’s good already. 900 plus yards is fantastic his rookie year. Cant wait to see how good he can become. Can he get to the Pro Bowl? Can he reach the top and be All Pro? I’m not really sure he’s at that level. I don’t see him at a Chase or Adams level. What do you think the guy’s ceiling is?

Definitely think the rule changes in favor of the WR make Smitty better. He would have struggled back in the day. 

Let’s jump way ahead to next offseason. Let’s say Gannon gets a HC job. I have two sort of out of the box thinking ideas. Could we fire Siri and just let Steichen take over the O. Would enable us to hire an elite defensive mind as HC. Or an even crazier thought. Block Gannon from leaving. Promote him to Head Coach. Fire Siri and turn the O over to Steichen. Honestly I wasn’t a fan of Steichen. But feels like he’s running the O mostly anyway after Siri was a disaster. So do we really lose much in firing Siri. My thoughts on Steichen might be evolving. Things obviously depend on how things play out this year. But who’s more important Siri or Gannon? I’m actually leaning Gannon

Imagine a lot of todays WR's and QB's would have had a harder time back in the day. Rules were changed to appease fans with more scoring. It's one of the reasons I don't believe TB12 is the best QB of all time. Heck, he's not the best of this time, Rodgers is imo.

As for ceilings etc, we now have 2 WR1's and it's a team sport. We have a really good OL and weapons all around. We'll see how Streichen calls the O and Hurts spreads the ball.

We'll have to see how the season goes. Won't get a lot of looks of practices this yr unfortunately.

9 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Imagine a lot of todays WR's and QB's would have had a harder time back in the day. Rules were changed to appease fans with more scoring. It's one of the reasons I don't believe TB12 is the best QB of all time. Heck, he's not the best of this time, Rodgers is imo.

As for ceilings etc, we now have 2 WR1's and it's a team sport. We have a really good OL and weapons all around. We'll see how Streichen calls the O and Hurts spreads the ball.

I can’t agree with you here. I could argue several seasons where ARod was on the best team. Yet he’s only won a single SB. Brady won several SB with less than the best team in the league. A couple I’m not sure how he did it. But I go back to the intangibles. Brady has all that. Seems like a very grounded guy. But works his butt off on all the details. Has that competitive fire like nobody else. ARod seems like a dick. Primma Donna type. Don’t think he’s put the effort in if Brady. Physically it’s not close. ARod has a far superior arm and mobility. Brady has been so incredibly durable. That’s a huge factor. ARod suffered injuries in very crucial championship caliber teams. Stats go to ARod. But he did it with an elite WR. Brady stats went nuts when he had Randy Moss. Brady is so freaking good he made a SB stud offense out of a Welker and Edelman. Not sure anybody else could do that. 

Is ARod better than Brees? Once again intangibles go towards Brees. ARod far superior athletically. I’m not even sure which guy is better between the two. I do think the hard to measure aspect is how much better you make your teammates. Your stats passing don’t tell that whole story. Brady and Brees make everybody better. Not sure ARod really does. He’s just clearly the most talented. Brees and Brady make almost every Oline look good. Think they develop their receivers better than ARod also. ARod will take a great Wr to the top. But he’s known for being finicky. Many guys got in his doghouse and never recovered. Think it’s a factor in the discussion.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Since Steichen took over:

And from that game on, the Eagles ranked seventh in scoring [28 points per game], 10th in yards per play [5.6], eighth in first downs [22 per game], first on 3rd down [49 percent] and even middle of the pack in passing efficiency [89.9 passer rating]. He's pretty darn good at it. Letting Steichen continue calling plays this year makes a ton of sense.

VS CRAP, CRAP, CRAP teams. We have another easy schedule, if we can't score 32 points a game at LEAST that is a FAIL

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Best in the league on third down. To me that’s very significant. That’s when the pressure is on.

VS crap teams

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Seventh in scoring. Hard for me to think that a 23 year old doing that can’t be enough going forward.

VS crap teams

Ham IDK what it takes to make you see all these stats were VS CRAP teams. We have ANOTHER easy schedule, so those stats should be better yet, no excuses!!!!! We need to beat these team BIG, that's the only way we know we are ready for post season vs the GOOD teams. 28-24 W won't impress me and it shouldn't impress you either 35-17 is what we need to do

On 6/4/2022 at 10:14 AM, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK we felt Wentz "wasn't going anywhere" either. Bradord was "OUR QB" until the day we traded him LOL. Howie invested,he needs results from those investments. I fear another easy schedule will make Hurts look better than he is,then we are stuck with a big money 4 year contract for "mediocre"

I don't think so.  Mediocre is the only possibility that I see Ham's scenario of Hurts getting next year as dead man walking... and if the Eagles and Saints picks are low enough to where we can move up without giving up way more.     Then I think they evaluate Hurts and Strong for that year.   Or possibility of Hurts trade.   

But now way does he get a new deal with mediocrity this year..he needs to show more. 

On 6/4/2022 at 2:19 PM, cunninghamtheman said:

I think Hurts is the guy. But there always seems to be a guy or two lately shake free. Murray seems like the obvious guy to move. But I believe we’ll end up seeing Hurts is a better franchise guy than him. Murray is missing some of those key intangibles you always laugh about. He’s got tons of talent. But doesn’t work nearly as hard. Seems like he feels entitled. Kind of Primma Donna type. Him fading in crucial spots and at the end is the line for me that makes him not work. You can build a team with all levels of player. But when it comes to the big moments they can’t shrink. Gotta step up. That’s where I feel Hurts is going to prove to be really good. He isn’t Marino slinging the ball. But he’s competitive as hell. He’ll do whatever it takes for the win. 

100 agree about Murray...if you remember my comments when we lost to AZ 2 years ago and Murray had all those stats...  I said IMO Hurts played better.  Murray had his WRs make plays for him...that was the biggest tangible difference. 

Where we disagree...is you assume Hurts is going to " will " everything to happen.   Like for you...he can " will" the ball to his WRs... for me, he has to throw it.  Intangibles are great if the tangible things are there first.   You assume they are for Hurts at the NFL level...I don't, because I see where running isn't going to work to win in the NFL when it matters.  He needs to throw it.     That I don't assume will happen... I'm at wait and see if he can overcome his weak arm and desire to run ASAP.     

39 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I don't think so.  Mediocre is the only possibility that I see Ham's scenario of Hurts getting next year as dead man walking... and if the Eagles and Saints picks are low enough to where we can move up without giving up way more.     Then I think they evaluate Hurts and Strong for that year.   Or possibility of Hurts trade.   

But now way does he get a new deal with mediocrity this year..he needs to show more. 

Right,what could happen is he is borderline good. The easy schedule should make him look good,but I am wondering what stats they need to see from Hurts to sign the expensive contract. Like you,I don't see it either. if he is borderline, the we have a tough call to make. Lots of nice QB's next draft,at least more so that this years crop. Strong was a total steal as a UDFA. Our "franchise" QB could already be here if he can hit his stride(Strong). As a fan it's tough to know, and why even though you complain about it, as a fan I would like to see these BU's in action,not practice. maybe we see them in pre-season,but I would like to see them in action

22 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right,what could happen is he is borderline good. The easy schedule should make him look good,but I am wondering what stats they need to see from Hurts to sign the expensive contract. Like you,I don't see it either. if he is borderline, the we have a tough call to make. Lots of nice QB's next draft,at least more so that this years crop. Strong was a total steal as a UDFA. Our "franchise" QB could already be here if he can hit his stride(Strong). As a fan it's tough to know, and why even though you complain about it, as a fan I would like to see these BU's in action,not practice. maybe we see them in pre-season,but I would like to see them in action

I don't think it's stats.  It's the eye test.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Roob brought up the fact that Dean could wear the green dot helmet. He also would be the youngest defender to start since 1964. He’s only 21. That’s why I always point to day two of the draft being so crucial. This pick could be significant enough to change the path of the franchise. It’s just that huge potentially. He’s already learning the Mike and Will position roles. The guy can blitz. Great at dodging blockers. Fantastic in coverage. Smart. Experienced in big games. Really only question mark with him is size durability related. Just wow what a difference in our LB room. Cant remember being this excited about that position group. Been practically ignored for ages. Totally flipped the situation. 

Yet the Eagles shouldn’t have him in your opinion because they should have not made the trade with the Saints...which allowed them to keep pick 83.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just wow what a difference in our LB room. Cant remember being this excited about that position group. Been practically ignored for ages. Totally flipped the situation. 

Not ignored in 2016 and 2017 though ... like when I said Howie did things differently than before and why our roster was the best in the league in 2017.   Then they win and go back to doing the dumb stuff like before....one of which was ignoring LB again.      

Hopefully we see them realize things now...  who knows though because Dean was a 3rd round investment where they will be fortunate that he dropped instead of actually making the investment.

44 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right,what could happen is he is borderline good. The easy schedule should make him look good,but I am wondering what stats they need to see from Hurts to sign the expensive contract. Like you,I don't see it either. if he is borderline, the we have a tough call to make. Lots of nice QB's next draft,at least more so that this years crop. Strong was a total steal as a UDFA. Our "franchise" QB could already be here if he can hit his stride(Strong). As a fan it's tough to know, and why even though you complain about it, as a fan I would like to see these BU's in action,not practice. maybe we see them in pre-season,but I would like to see them in action

We just differ on " action"  .. to me when the game is out of hand with the score... and all the backups are in... doesn't mean much.   The play isn't necessarily real.   Especially if it's the QB just handing off with a big lead.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I agree ‘58. No need to change him. Just help and develop. I pointed out footwork being huge for improving his passing. Steichen said specifically Hurts has shown improvement there this offseason. Don’t think he’s been used to utilizing a TE much in college. So he started developing that part of his game last year. To me it was a very noticeable area he improved. Most TE are a QB best friend. Hurts bringing over AJ is huge. Going from Reagor to AJ is going to show. Nobody can do things alone. Smitty is a legit WR. How high is his ceiling? That part I wonder. He’s so silky smooth. Will he have a season putting up 1,500 yards? How much of a Redzone weapon will he be? I’m convinced he’s good already. 900 plus yards is fantastic his rookie year. Cant wait to see how good he can become. Can he get to the Pro Bowl? Can he reach the top and be All Pro? I’m not really sure he’s at that level. I don’t see him at a Chase or Adams level. What do you think the guy’s ceiling is?

No reason not to dominate this year.  No excuses left.  Great play caller...intangibles...best friend who is a top WR ... works hard, gets along great with everyone.   

Only reason as I've stated for like a year....he simply can't see the field and throw at the 2022 NFL level.   That's it.  No other reason anyone can think of to stop him from being a great NFL QB except deficiency in those 2 areas.  

If he overcomes those things... that's all he needs...the rest is there.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

VS CRAP, CRAP, CRAP teams. We have another easy schedule, if we can't score 32 points a game at LEAST that is a FAIL

VS crap teams

These are NFL defenses. Everybody plays all sorts of teams. Because a team didn’t have their WR or starting QB has very little to do with our offense converting third downs and scoring points. The Cowboys scored the most points at 31 points per game. Your expectations are out of control. You think Hurts sucks….but we should score points than anybody. Ridiculous!

I mean really FL? We have to score more points than anybody did last year or we suck? I can’t deal with this ridiculous argument.

4 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

VS crap teams

Why stop at only 32 points. We should be putting up basketball scores. 100 points or we are terrible.

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ham IDK what it takes to make you see all these stats were VS CRAP teams. We have ANOTHER easy schedule, so those stats should be better yet, no excuses!!!!! We need to beat these team BIG, that's the only way we know we are ready for post season vs the GOOD teams. 28-24 W won't impress me and it shouldn't impress you either 35-17 is what we need to do

Winning close games does impress me. Having a huge lead involves no pressure. Having important moments help build a team. Prepares them. Being down two scores and coming back and such. This is the NFL. Not Ohio St versus South West Key West community college.

5 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Ham IDK what it takes to make you see all these stats were VS CRAP teams. We have ANOTHER easy schedule, so those stats should be better yet, no excuses!!!!! We need to beat these team BIG, that's the only way we know we are ready for post season vs the GOOD teams. 28-24 W won't impress me and it shouldn't impress you either 35-17 is what we need to do

We were ready for the postseason because we beat down the Lions last year? This is such faulty logic….I can’t even continue to consider what you’re saying.

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

No reason not to dominate this year.  No excuses left.  Great play caller...intangibles...best friend who is a top WR ... works hard, gets along great with everyone.   

Only reason as I've stated for like a year....he simply can't see the field and throw at the 2022 NFL level.   That's it.  No other reason anyone can think of to stop him from being a great NFL QB except deficiency in those 2 areas.  

If he overcomes those things... that's all he needs...the rest is there.

Sounds like you are on the Hurts train now then.