6 hours ago, stine said:

  We cannot assess every position in one year. We got DL help, DB help, Wr help, future starting C and LB's. I really think you are nick picking to be honest. They did pick up the safety from SF, so they did get help, just not the help you were looking for. We will need to see what happens with Hurts first. Then we will either grab a QB or address more positions in the next draft. I think we are sitting good at this point. If Hurts makes a major step in the passing game, we will probably be a contender for league finals at a minimum in 2023.

We had what like 7 holes to fill? We filled 5 and got some developmentals that would play later. I have been happy with the last 2 drafts and off season signings(it reverses a bad trend)

33 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Either scenario is 4 player in the first 2 days of the draft...  with both ncludung Davis , Brown and Jurgens.    Ham wants Dax.... the Eagles got Dean.    But Ham scenario we don't have the 2 extra picks.   

I think when the pick was about to happen this year when Dax got drafted... if the Eagles offered pick 87, and both the 2023 1st and 2024 2nd for the right to draft Dax... I don't think people would be crazy about that.   But it's essentially exactly what Ham says he would prefer.

In my mocks(which you all love to death) Davis and Olave were my 2 first pick choices. I kept going back and forth on them. Of course mock with no trades lol,so I was very pleased we got Brown and had a terrific draft to boot. Getting Dean was a sweet steal in my view and who knows what Strong can do in a year or 2 

35 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Either scenario is 4 player in the first 2 days of the draft...  with both ncludung Davis , Brown and Jurgens.    Ham wants Dax.... the Eagles got Dean.    But Ham scenario we don't have the 2 extra picks.   

I think when the pick was about to happen this year when Dax got drafted... if the Eagles offered pick 87, and both the 2023 1st and 2024 2nd for the right to draft Dax... I don't think people would be crazy about that.   But it's essentially exactly what Ham says he would prefer.

5 for 4 .if we had done nothing we would have 3 firsts this year 1 next, instead we got 2 this year 2 next and Brown. This is 5 players for 4, but the math eludes Ham for some reason

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hamville

Then no Brown(I'm not going through the logic again)

I laid out the scenarios.... Nothing changes with Brown, Davis or Jurgens...

It's giving up Dean and the picks for Dax and the 6th round pick.   Why is it hard to understand?  

41 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

5 for 4 .if we had done nothing we would have 3 firsts this year 1 next, instead we got 2 this year 2 next and Brown. This is 5 players for 4, but the math eludes Ham for some reason

?????  What is this 5 for 4?    

Davis , Brown, Jurgens and Dean is 4

Davis, Brown, Dax and Jurgens is 4

The difference is simply Dax vs Dean and the 2 picks.    Why you need to make it complicated?  5 vs 4 or no Brown etc.   While Hamville or planet Ham is a real thing it seems... you making a simple thing complicated isn't helping.    Again..  it's Dax...  or Dean and the picks..  that's it. Nothing more to it.

16 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Again....stick to the subject...  using the 3rd #1 pick.... or having Dean, a #1 next year and a #2 in 2024.    The 3rd round pick was essential in getting AJ Brown.  Without the Saints trade, which included that 3rd rounder, we would have had to trade the pick used for Dean.

Why is it a hard concept to get?   It's fact. That's what was traded for that 3rd 1st round pick.

You’re acting like it would be unbelievably brutal to trade picks for still be able to take a third round pick in Dean. Wouldn’t be that big a deal at all to still acquire him.

8 hours ago, stine said:

  We cannot assess every position in one year. We got DL help, DB help, Wr help, future starting C and LB's. I really think you are nick picking to be honest. They did pick up the safety from SF, so they did get help, just not the help you were looking for. We will need to see what happens with Hurts first. Then we will either grab a QB or address more positions in the next draft. I think we are sitting good at this point. If Hurts makes a major step in the passing game, we will probably be a contender for league finals at a minimum in 2023.

You don’t think we had/have a hole at S? Or you just didn’t like the S draft selection? I had a few I liked fairly high this draft. But trading back(maybe get your third back right there for Dean No Mas) and picking up Dax seemed like an easy call to me. Like I said several pass rushers long options. But the 4.3 S with plenty of versatility was the call for me.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I don't get the complaints about the Saints trade and NOT understanding all the picks included in the trade?

We moved up from 19 to 18...advantage us

We traded a 6th for a 3rd, advantage us

We got a 2nd round pick, advantage us.

This was for swapping 2022 for 2023 pick.   Why is it hard to understand?

If you do this every year from now on... you end up with and extra 2nd and 3rd round pick every year, as you keep swapping your 2nd first round pick for next year's.     Why would you want to stop that?  Is this guy Dax worth that?

Are you missing that we are giving up picks trading. Traded up for Smitty. Traded up for Davis. Traded for AJ. You can always win the paper draft by trading back. But you have to make good to great picks is all that really matters in the end. Don’t forget that part.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

And how were we going to trade up for Dean?   He was selected at 87.  If we traded that pick ( because we didn't have pick 99 from the Saints)  and all the 4th round picks were used to move up for Davis...  what were we going to use to trade up?     

Not understanding the WHOLE picture and just complaining on and on and on and on and on....    and on and on and on and on.   Clueless!

Players, future picks….not that crazy a thing.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Either scenario is 4 player in the first 2 days of the draft...  with both ncludung Davis , Brown and Jurgens.    Ham wants Dax.... the Eagles got Dean.    But Ham scenario we don't have the 2 extra picks.   

I think when the pick was about to happen this year when Dax got drafted... if the Eagles offered pick 87, and both the 2023 1st and 2024 2nd for the right to draft Dax... I don't think people would be crazy about that.   But it's essentially exactly what Ham says he would prefer.

Trading back in the first for Dax we add something. Is it the third for Dean? Don’t know but should be close.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hamville

Then no Brown(I'm not going through the logic again)

Instead of having that first next year we take the elite S prospect this year. We really just lose the 2024 second round pick…is what it amounts to.

Jermaine Johnson and Karlaftis were on the board as well. Very good pick choices in my eyes. Grass is not always greener on the future. I think we’ll all watch Karlaftis and think: why didn’t we just take him?

https://blogs.nasa.gov/webb/2022/08/22/webbs-jupiter-images-showcase-auroras-hazes/

Sickest image of Jupiter by far

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You’re acting like it would be unbelievably brutal to trade picks for still be able to take a third round pick in Dean. Wouldn’t be that big a deal at all to still acquire him.

Great let's analyze like adults here.

Dean was selected 83rd , I have been mistaken in saying 87, but let's just say the late 3rd round.

They traded all the 4th rounders to move up for Davis.  So the next pick at the time was 154 ( 5th round) 

So you have a pick in the 80s...  I have pick 154... what else will it take to move up?  

I think minimal a 2nd round pick next year.   I don't think I would make that investment... but 

Scenario Eagles vs Scenario Ham

Ham = Dax, Dean...   but trading up for Dean

Eagles = Dean plus the picks

So difference = Dax vs  all the picks... the picks are 2022 5th, 2023 1st, 2023 2nd, 2024 2nd.

So again...Ham would prefer Dax over 3 premium picks.... a 1st and two 2nds.

Dax may be that good, but that's a lot to give up!

And I'm not saying Ham is right or wrong,  my point is getting the assets correct.  Seems both Ham and GB keep missing these specifics. Which absolutely matter in making each point. 

So what do we get moving back 16 to 26 to take Dax? Shouldn’t be that far off from being able to negotiate Dean.

At 26 you have Jermaine Johnson. Devon Lloyd and Georgia DT Devonte Wyatt go after him. Karlaftis 30. 31 Dax. Georgia  S Cine at 32.

40 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

At 26 you have Jermaine Johnson. Devon Lloyd and Georgia DT Devonte Wyatt go after him. Karlaftis 30. 31 Dax. Georgia  S Cine at 32.

That's great.   So mention this right away.   You want to trade a pick back to get an extra pick.  Then you use that pick ( if it's higher than 99 which was what we got from the Saints) and spin it for AJ.   Then we keep 83 for Dean.

A little explanation helps and also getting all the assets correct. 

In either scenario you don't like getting the extra 1st and 2nd round picks then.   You feel everyone that was there at 26 is a better option? 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

That's great.   So mention this right away.   You want to trade a pick back to get an extra pick.  Then you use that pick ( if it's higher than 99 which was what we got from the Saints) and spin it for AJ.   Then we keep 83 for Dean.

A little explanation helps and also getting all the assets correct. 

In either scenario you don't like getting the extra 1st and 2nd round picks then.   You feel everyone that was there at 26 is a better option? 

No extra 1st anyway. We swapped this year for next year. I’m just seeing losing the 2024 2nd.

Which is still the basis of the trade.  But let's say we don't trade for AJ.

Then it still comes down to pick 16 and a 6th for a 3rd, 1st and 2nd.   Which was the trade made.    Plus we moved up from 19 to 18.   

That's pretty significant 

23 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No extra 1st anyway. We swapped this year for next year. I’m just seeing losing the 2024 2nd.

Right because you are stubborn and not looking at the whole equation.

Dax would be on out roster...  without a trade down, Dean wouldn't be. 

So your scenario, trade down to get Dax and still get Dean

So you have Dax

Instead the Eagles have a 2023 1st and a 2024 2nd.     So you think Dax is worth that.

That's the minimum because there wasn't a trade down first.  The first offer was from the Saints

Pick 16 and a 6th ....   for

Pick swap 19 to 18

3rd

2023 1st

2024 2nd

You can spin how you like, but these are the facts.

I’ve used nothing but facts. I admitted we’d lose the 2024 2nd round pick….which I’m fine with. Think trading down from 16 to 26 has to get close to still getting Dean. So we take Dax instead of having an extra random first round pick next draft.

A key element is the Eagles got the trade way in advance.  You assume they could have traded down to 26 on draft night , who knows?   

Next year, if the Eagles trade one of their 1sts and a 6th.... get back a 3rd, 2024 1st, 2025 2nd... plus move up a spot with the pick they keep..    you would be against this trade?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’ve used nothing but facts. I admitted we’d lose the 2024 2nd round pick….which I’m fine with. Think trading down from 16 to 26 has to get close to still getting Dean. So we take Dax instead of having an extra random first round pick next draft.

Right so you seem to miss if we take Dax,we don't have a second 1st round pick next year.     You do realize it's a key part of the equation?

It's Dax.... or

2023 1st. And 2024 2nd

You seem to keep saying Dax or the 2024 2nd.   That's not the case