27 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m not saying it’s impossible. But we had an above average offense last season. But you are said basically we suck if we can’t put up this kind of points. Or more like you put it on Hurts. Saying he needs to get axed if we aren’t the best offense in the league. That’s the difference here. I want to score more than everybody else. I’m just not he’ll bent on doing or we suck. To me the D needs to show up. Some teams play shootout ball. Can score a ton and lose. We shouldn’t have to do that now. We have the biggest investment in the D side of the ball than any other team. Offense is known to be the more expensive players also. So if you follow the money and expect professional football that pay matters towards expectations. We should be able to win some low scoring games. The D should dominate. Who else pays as much to that side of the ball? Plus we invested in the draft and FA big on that side.

I think a point you get stuck on... why is the 2021 result need to be the limit for any team?   Who is to say 5 or 8 teams don't score more points than the highest team in 2021?     Remember 4000 yards passing was such a high bogey... then it seemed like more than half the league was throwing that much...even the previous guy without even having a 500 yard WR.  Times change.  

But I agree not to be stuck on a number, it doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think a point you get stuck on... why is the 2021 result need to be the limit for any team?   Who is to say 5 or 8 teams don't score more points than the highest team in 2021?     Remember 4000 yards passing was such a high bogey... then it seemed like more than half the league was throwing that much...even the previous guy without even having a 500 yard WR.  Times change.  

But I agree not to be stuck on a number, it doesn't necessarily tell the whole story.

We are invested the heaviest on D. So I don’t quite understand the obsession. We look good. But it feels like you Hurts haters are just trying to create this unrealistic standard for him at 24. Not like he’s getting carried by the top O mind in the league or anything. Can Siri and Steichen coach a top offense? I’ll start there. But you at least have the sense to not be so stat driven. I’m fine with our team scrapping out a win anyway possible. Think that’s a big step for them. FL is too caught up on a win has to look pretty and be mostly through the air. And whatever other visions he has. You put up huge passing stats being way behind. That’s the main NFL template for huge passing stats. These QBs nowadays just let it fly and take all those chances when they are down multiple scores with nothing much to lose. That’s not the position I crave. I’d be happy with two ST TDs and a D score. Throw in a couple field goals. We start the game like that….. I don’t want to be taking major chances. Play smart. Situational football. I want to score TDs and not settle for field goals. Just do much more to the game than that though. Two minutes left. Before the half or end of game….you don’t really want to score quick. Kill the clock and play smart.

I think we have good gritty guys. They’ll fight to the end. But I don’t see it looking all smooth and beautiful like the Greatest Show on Turf or anything. 

15 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We are invested the heaviest on D. So I don’t quite understand the obsession. We look good. But it feels like you Hurts haters are just trying to create this unrealistic standard for him at 24.

Everything you say is excuses for the guy like your this Hurts believer. Oh the D was invested heavily this year. It doesn’t matter that Hurts already had one of the best OLs in football or the top ground game in the league. 
 

Who cares he has a top 6 TE in the nfl… His WR room was lacking but now he has AJ Brown and Smith going into year 2( who if his QB play was better would have hit 1k as a rookie) Quez Watkins who gave him 650 yards as the #3 hell even upgraded the 4th WR with Pascal. 
 

What else did you want on offense for Hurts like damn. Oh the coaching he isn’t a top O mind Siri and Steichen???? Josh Allen is doing just fine last I checked with a D minded HC. 
 

There should be a high expectation on Hurts it isn’t being a hater.

I just don’t care for the agenda. I haven’t seen enough from Hurts to make me think he’s the best ever. But I do like his qualities. I don’t get stuck thinking inside the box so much like many. The league is always evolving. We talk plenty about the advantage WR have over defenders. I’ve also noticed the evolution of the Dline. These guys are what has been very coveted for the last few decade. So we are now seeing these unbelievable freak athletes all over the league. Some LB also. These guys are killer S now. So Oline doesn’t quite do what it used to. The run game it’s crucial. Can make plenty of RB that can simply hit the hole look good. Playcall goes a long way also. But our Oline as powerful as it is still will have struggled vs many of the top teams and guys. Tampa hurt us. Donald will hurt us. We saw SF with their incredible Dline and Fred Warner control the game against us. We weren’t the only ones. Seeing more teams without all the tons of money in Oline succeeding. Their QB has to survive the season….but it seems like a solid legit pattern at this point. Don’t think Brady always had the best guys. But if they all know their assignments….and work together it’s enough, smart QBs are really the key. Getting the ball out quick neutralizes the rush. Feels like QB throw times are getting faster and faster. Brady and Brees seem to really show the way. If they can consistently be accurate the D really can’t stop it. 

I think it’s crucial to have high expectations. That’s the job. So I’m not disagreeing with any of that. Think last years team had way too many things against it. So I was proud of what that team did. Just no way for them to get a SB. But I put Expectations on the the whole franchise. Hurts is one…..but I’m a more educated fan than to blame or praise him for everything. My kicker is we haven’t had any better options than him since he’s been drafted. So I don’t understand the criticism and venom. Not like we refused to get Herbert because we love Hurts more. He’s what we got. Beat out old Wentz and we have been going up since. Grass is greener stuff is killing me with so many here. You going to root against our QB for how many years?

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You said the bar is at 32. Is it or isn’t it?

1 point difference. If you recall I said that was the GOAL,I will take 31,but lets make a huge deal over 1 point against the SB champs-jesus

8 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But we had an above average offense last season.

🤣🤣 LMAO yeah lets ignore we played third stringers 🤣🤣

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think it’s crucial to have high expectations. That’s the job. So I’m not disagreeing with any of that. Think last years team had way too many things against it. So I was proud of what that team did. Just no way for them to get a SB. But I put Expectations on the the whole franchise. Hurts is one…..but I’m a more educated fan than to blame or praise him for everything. My kicker is we haven’t had any better options than him since he’s been drafted. So I don’t understand the criticism and venom. Not like we refused to get Herbert because we love Hurts more. He’s what we got. Beat out old Wentz and we have been going up since. Grass is greener stuff is killing me with so many here. You going to root against our QB for how many years?

OH boy, so after investing in the offense, adding pieces to the defense to give the offense the ball more times per game,drafting some rookies that can take over in the future it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE to score 1 more TD per game than last year? 32 is actually less that 1 more TD(25.6 points per game last year if I recall). If it's 2 FG's more,I can live with that!!! Sanders scored ZERO TD's. Everyone on here wants Hurts to do well,yet you don't see it. WE have "epectations" because this is the year we decide WHOM our QB will be for the next 4-5 years(or we start again). Should you NOT expect Hurts to show he has grown into an NFL capable QB? Yes, I have expectations,because this is my team and I NEED to know who my QB is going forward. Hurts has no excuses left,he must perform if he wants the job here. The fans won't allow anything less,none of us on here expect less,neither should you

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I just don’t care for the agenda. I haven’t seen enough from Hurts to make me think he’s the best ever. But I do like his qualities. I don’t get stuck thinking inside the box so much like many. The league is always evolving. We talk plenty about the advantage WR have over defenders. I’ve also noticed the evolution of the Dline. These guys are what has been very coveted for the last few decade. So we are now seeing these unbelievable freak athletes all over the league. Some LB also. These guys are killer S now. So Oline doesn’t quite do what it used to. The run game it’s crucial. Can make plenty of RB that can simply hit the hole look good. Playcall goes a long way also. But our Oline as powerful as it is still will have struggled vs many of the top teams and guys. Tampa hurt us. Donald will hurt us. We saw SF with their incredible Dline and Fred Warner control the game against us. We weren’t the only ones. Seeing more teams without all the tons of money in Oline succeeding. Their QB has to survive the season….but it seems like a solid legit pattern at this point. Don’t think Brady always had the best guys. But if they all know their assignments….and work together it’s enough, smart QBs are really the key. Getting the ball out quick neutralizes the rush. Feels like QB throw times are getting faster and faster. Brady and Brees seem to really show the way. If they can consistently be accurate the D really can’t stop it. 

So here is the thing again.   It's 2022 now.  SF, Tampa and and Donald are not on the schedule.    

What has not evolved or changed...the 2 things a QB needs to do is see the field and make a throw.  It's great that they can run. Just running doesn't work vs 11 guys who will have their season end if they don't stop your QB running.  

The pieces are there for whoever is playing QB for the Eagles to do extremely well.   And again, the higher bar for this particular QB is simply because after the season is when its ideal to pay him his 2nd contract which is the most expensive position and happens to be having the pay scale increasing very rapidly. 

Unfortunately a big part of the situation is deciding whether or not to make the long term investment after this year.  That's the situation Hurts is in. 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I think it’s crucial to have high expectations. That’s the job. So I’m not disagreeing with any of that. Think last years team had way too many things against it. So I was proud of what that team did. Just no way for them to get a SB. But I put Expectations on the the whole franchise. Hurts is one…..but I’m a more educated fan than to blame or praise him for everything. My kicker is we haven’t had any better options than him since he’s been drafted. So I don’t understand the criticism and venom. Not like we refused to get Herbert because we love Hurts more. He’s what we got. Beat out old Wentz and we have been going up since. Grass is greener stuff is killing me with so many here. You going to root against our QB for how many years?

Ham....again....it's 2022 now.  There is nothing good or bad yet.  What matters is this year, that's it.   The score is 0-0... let's see what happens. 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OH boy, so after investing in the offense, adding pieces to the defense to give the offense the ball more times per game,drafting some rookies that can take over in the future it's virtually IMPOSSIBLE to score 1 more TD per game than last year? 32 is actually less that 1 more TD(25.6 points per game last year if I recall). If it's 2 FG's more,I can live with that!!! Sanders scored ZERO TD's. Everyone on here wants Hurts to do well,yet you don't see it. WE have "epectations" because this is the year we decide WHOM our QB will be for the next 4-5 years(or we start again). Should you NOT expect Hurts to show he has grown into an NFL capable QB? Yes, I have expectations,because this is my team and I NEED to know who my QB is going forward. Hurts has no excuses left,he must perform if he wants the job here. The fans won't allow anything less,none of us on here expect less,neither should you

Who has been the better option for us since we drafted Hurts? I haven’t seen it.

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Who has been the better option for us since we drafted Hurts? I haven’t seen it.

That question is irrelevant to this point. We are NOT Hurts' haters. We just want him to improve, become the franchise and we wish him the best. 

15 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

That question is irrelevant to this point. We are NOT Hurts' haters. We just want him to improve, become the franchise and we wish him the best. 

Oh yeah….lord of Hurts vitriol. But I get that he didn’t come out and look All Pro. I also get that old school football minds can’t wrap their head around a different way of being successful. Honestly I just choose to be optimistic. He’s our only and best option. He’s a scrappy guy that is easy for me to root for. Wanting him to improve? Why is that even a question I wonder? He’s one of the most obvious players that will improve. He doesn’t have the ceiling Mike Vick had. But he works and makes it happen to level the talent difference. Guys play for him. He got hit out of bounds…guys come running to his defense. Wentz got cheap shitted by Clowney…,don’t remember anything happening. Playoffs…we were going to beat them. Yet nobody really had his back. Guys put up with a bit more with him. We’ve all seen the WR divas that want the ball every play. He’s a guy that just might be able to manage that. It’s a real potential issue coming. Goedert, Smitty, AJ…..on and on. Those three alone feel they should be getting 100 yards every game. Think Hurts can hold them together without mutiny. Somebody has to get left out some. I believe Quez is being slept on. He’s been steadily developing. Gotta think he’s added a couple routes to his small route tree this year. He’s so fast….and he high points the ball so well. He needed developing…but I’m seeing it pay off. Think the improved personnel matters for Hurts also. That WR room was green. Not too much to trust there. Think he’ll have more trust in them winning and hanging in there knowing they’re on the same page. That’s huge in itself.

I also think we hyper analyze our team. Every QB doesn’t see every guy get open. They don’t throw a strike every time either. He needs to improve in these areas, no doubt. But fans get crazy with that one time Quez broke free and he didn’t get him the ball. Analyze any QB. It happens every game.

27 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

That question is irrelevant to this point. We are NOT Hurts' haters. We just want him to improve, become the franchise and we wish him the best. 

I think the question is completely relevant. We go with the best option up and down the whole team. If we can find a better option we’ll do it. Think Hurts has that bar set fairly high already. He keeps improving he’s going to make upgrading incredibly difficult. We all want Allen, Herbert and Mahomes. Not happening. All I’ve seen is rookie options that would be his backup. I agree with not spending the high pick there. I wouldn’t spend what the Niners spent on Lance. Really been the only option.

42 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Who has been the better option for us since we drafted Hurts? I haven’t seen it.

Right,that's why he has the job now?   He has the opportunity to keep it and get paid after this year.

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Oh yeah….lord of Hurts vitriol. But I get that he didn’t come out and look All Pro. I also get that old school football minds can’t wrap their head around a different way of being successful. Honestly I just choose to be optimistic. He’s our only and best option. He’s a scrappy guy that is easy for me to root for. Wanting him to improve? Why is that even a question I wonder? He’s one of the most obvious players that will improve. He doesn’t have the ceiling Mike Vick had. But he works and makes it happen to level the talent difference. Guys play for him. He got hit out of bounds…guys come running to his defense. Wentz got cheap shitted by Clowney…,don’t remember anything happening. Playoffs…we were going to beat them. Yet nobody really had his back. Guys put up with a bit more with him. We’ve all seen the WR divas that want the ball every play. He’s a guy that just might be able to manage that. It’s a real potential issue coming. Goedert, Smitty, AJ…..on and on. Those three alone feel they should be getting 100 yards every game. Think Hurts can hold them together without mutiny. Somebody has to get left out some. I believe Quez is being slept on. He’s been steadily developing. Gotta think he’s added a couple routes to his small route tree this year. He’s so fast….and he high points the ball so well. He needed developing…but I’m seeing it pay off. Think the improved personnel matters for Hurts also. That WR room was green. Not too much to trust there. Think he’ll have more trust in them winning and hanging in there knowing they’re on the same page. That’s huge in itself.

Ham... again.. it's 2022.  That is all that matters now .

11 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I also think we hyper analyze our team. Every QB doesn’t see every guy get open. They don’t throw a strike every time either. He needs to improve in these areas, no doubt. But fans get crazy with that one time Quez broke free and he didn’t get him the ball. Analyze any QB. It happens every game.

Right..same with previous guy.

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ham... again.. it's 2022.  That is all that matters now .

Right..same with previous guy.

Excited!

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Who has been the better option for us since we drafted Hurts? I haven’t seen it.

IDK Shew has never had his chance here and you really cannot use the Jets game alone. IDK, what do you do Ham if(god forbid) Hurts gets hurt and is out for 12 games? What do you do if Shew shines? is Shew an option at this point? No,Hurts is getting HIS shot. Still what would you do??? Re-sign Shew and draft a guy also? Let Hurts walk,let him try again in 2023? on a final year contract?? If you are Hurts would you even sign a short deal here? I don't think he would. he has had his taste of starting,so has Shew although this team is MUCH better than anything he had in Jax. The "option" is Hurts sinks or swims IF he stays upright(which we all hope for) Shew wants to start somewhere . Hurts won't be pleased if we draft a QB next draft,but he would also know it IS his last year as an Eagle because Howie made the choice to go elsewhere. The other option is Hurts impresses enough to sign long term. IDK why I even need to explain this?

Noah Togai and Covey activated

I like Covey. He brings some juice. Our return game has been terrible. Can’t do any worse. Togai earned a roster spot. I get they could get him on the PS so why not protect Calcatarra

I predict both get a catch in this first game of the season. Be an excellent way to get depth going. Feels like they already planning on getting a bunch of experience across the team here. Don’t want to overlook the Lions though. But be great if the second half we developed these guys.

Be good to get these guys in football shape. Worried about that….but I guess if you got the Lions you can work into during the season

Shew is the better passer,Hurts the better runner. Neither of them are Mahomes. SO as far as options you need to give Howie some love because he pretty much has covered EVERY option. Hurts stinks up the place-we have 2 round 1 picks next year and there are a few(I can think of 4) that are top notch(in theory of course). I'm watching Stroud from OSU and the Bama QB right now. Both will be good NFL QB's in time. 93 mentioned another one I liked(forgot his offhand). So there is one option,we have the team nearly built and we start FRESH. Hurts looks "OK" he makes his reads and hit the windows and the WR's are happily engaged in catching the ball. If he looks good enough he will be re-signed as our future QB. I think Shew is gone either way unless we pay him big to stay on as the #2 in either case. if Hurts is not the guy,the really we need to be looking around for 2 QB's. Maybe a high draft pick and an adequate vet BU?? IDK,but there are a bevy of options. We just have to wait and see how this pans out

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I predict both get a catch in this first game of the season. Be an excellent way to get depth going. Feels like they already planning on getting a bunch of experience across the team here. Don’t want to overlook the Lions though. But be great if the second half we developed these guys.

I would love to see all these guys get a few touches. It's the only way you really know. Practice is practice. I suspect Togiai and Calcaterra are both vying for a spot. Isn't Calcaterra still banged up??