Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

32-27 you lose

Oh I see….the best offense wins every game every year. Ok….good to know. I actually thought defensive players get paid. Even ST guys. 

Dallas was the top scoring team last season. Really got them the trophy.

24-23 good game going here

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Oh I see….the best offense wins every game every year. Ok….good to know. I actually thought defensive players get paid. Even ST guys. 

Dallas was the top scoring team last season. Really got them the trophy.

32-27 you LOSE not hard to understand this

Teams we played Vikes 4-1(only good team we faced), Jax-2-3,  Wuss-1-4   Lions-1-4   AZ 2-3. If you take out the Vikes we have played teams with a combined record of 6-14

Kelce 4 TD's wow

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Teams we played Vikes 4-1(only good team we faced), Jax-2-3,  Wuss-1-4   Lions-1-4   AZ 2-3. If you take out the Vikes we have played teams with a combined record of 6-14

 

7 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Teams we played Vikes 4-1(only good team we faced), Jax-2-3,  Wuss-1-4   Lions-1-4   AZ 2-3. If you take out the Vikes we have played teams with a combined record of 6-14

We contributed to those records. It’s like you are using each victory we have as a mark against us because the team we played lost.

Lions had the best offense in the league to start…..didn’t help their record you might have noticed however.

Jags and Zona beat us they are 3-2.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

 

We contributed to those records. It’s like you are using each victory we have as a mark against us because the team we played lost.

Fact remains if we score 27 and the other team scores 32 we lose, it's not rocket science. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Lions had the best offense in the league to start…..didn’t help their record you might have noticed however.

Jags and Zona beat us they are 3-2.

Because they also could not put up 32 points. IDK why you are arguing this the highest score WINS. Is that hard to figure out? We're going to face 6-14 teams in the playoffs?

OH LV went for 2 to win and came up short-ouch

Up to the Raiders D now. That penalty on the kick was killer

1 hour ago, EaglesTD123 said:

He would have to be at least 80-90% healed for me. I see Mailata as a valuable piece to the OL. Very happy the type of player he has become. 

Mailata is resting up for that one big rushing attempt we need to see.  

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

This is why I get bashed for wanting 32 pts a game. We should be scoring that against these lesser teams. We are playing enough to win,but if you face KC your going to need 32 points at least. Other teams in post season will be able to also,so that is why I harp on it,but I stand my ground

Nice....  welcome back to football conversation instead of the punter.  The $50 mil MVP hasn't put up 32 since week 1... but the D is balling and the coach is calling plays that are occupying the clock when necessary to limit the opponent.   

I will stand my ground....I don't care about results vs the weaker teams.  I'll take a win by any score vs a good one.  It's been a while since we've beaten one, I'm not going to be picky.

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Nice....  welcome back to football conversation instead of the punter.  The $50 mil MVP hasn't put up 32 since week 1... but the D is balling and the coach is calling plays that are occupying the clock when necessary to limit the opponent.   

I will stand my ground....I don't care about results vs the weaker teams.  I'll take a win by any score vs a good one.  It's been a while since we've beaten one, I'm not going to be picky.

I will, because when the playoffs come 27 points won't get it done. Nice we are beating teams with 6-14 combined records,but thats not who we play in post season. Tonights final 30-29 score 27 and you lose either way. 32 scored and you win either way. Not too hard to understand

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

I will, because when the playoffs come 27 points won't get it done. Nice we are beating teams with 6-14 combined records,but thats not who we play in post season. Tonights final 30-29 score 27 and you lose either way. 32 scored and you win either way. Not too hard to understand

Idk... ask Lamar... he seems to put up record points in regular season and then a flop vs a playoff team each year. 

Thinking that beating up bad teams by running up the scoreboard is going to translate come playoff time vs a good team probably isn't wise.   But idk, ask Harbaugh

How did 25 points per game translate in January vs Tampa last year.   I recall a big fat gooseegg on the board for most of the game?   Wonder if another 7 points vs the scrubby teams would have changed that?   I say no.   

I think the idea here would be that our defense shouldn't be giving up that 30 points come playoff time.  Especially of our offense can occupy the ball.

Tampa, we couldn't get a 1st down... that is what caused them to keep putting up points ( besides our D wasn't close to this year)  ... this year with a better D, hopefully we can at least move the ball a little.  Wouldn't surprise me if we win a playoff game scoring 20 points.  But also wouldn’t surprise me if we didn't score 20 either.   It's a different animal vs a quality playoff NFL team.

17 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Idk... ask Lamar... he seems to put up record points in regular season and then a flop vs a playoff team each year. 

Thinking that beating up bad teams by running up the scoreboard is going to translate come playoff time vs a good team probably isn't wise.   But idk, ask Harbaugh

Why do I care what other teams coaches do? I'm not out to emulate them,I am out to beat them

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

How did 25 points per game translate in January vs Tampa last year.   I recall a big fat gooseegg on the board for most of the game?   Wonder if another 7 points vs the scrubby teams would have changed that?   I say no.   

I think the idea here would be that our defense shouldn't be giving up that 30 points come playoff time.  Especially of our offense can occupy the ball.

Tampa, we couldn't get a 1st down... that is what caused them to keep putting up points ( besides our D wasn't close to this year)  ... this year with a better D, hopefully we can at least move the ball a little.  Wouldn't surprise me if we win a playoff game scoring 20 points.  But also wouldn’t surprise me if we didn't score 20 either.   It's a different animal vs a quality playoff NFL team.

Right which is why we should be scoring 32 vs these lesser teams. Gets you in the habit of keeping your foot on the gas,because like tonight and almost like this week,teams came back and I really don't want to rely on my defense to save my offense. it didn't work for the Raiders tonight 

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

How did 25 points per game translate in January vs Tampa last year.   I recall a big fat gooseegg on the board for most of the game?   Wonder if another 7 points vs the scrubby teams would have changed that?   I say no.   

I think the idea here would be that our defense shouldn't be giving up that 30 points come playoff time.  Especially of our offense can occupy the ball.

Tampa, we couldn't get a 1st down... that is what caused them to keep putting up points ( besides our D wasn't close to this year)  ... this year with a better D, hopefully we can at least move the ball a little.  Wouldn't surprise me if we win a playoff game scoring 20 points.  But also wouldn’t surprise me if we didn't score 20 either.   It's a different animal vs a quality playoff NFL team.

I don't care about last year either,that was last year

Anyway,we spent alot of time, draft capital, money and we're 2 PPG better than last year. Doesn't seem like much bang for the buck to me. Our D is saving our bacon,but that's a different issue. In fact, some of those PPG were scored by the defense. Done with this

51 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

How did 25 points per game translate in January vs Tampa last year.   I recall a big fat gooseegg on the board for most of the game?   Wonder if another 7 points vs the scrubby teams would have changed that?   I say no.   

I think the idea here would be that our defense shouldn't be giving up that 30 points come playoff time.  Especially of our offense can occupy the ball.

Tampa, we couldn't get a 1st down... that is what caused them to keep putting up points ( besides our D wasn't close to this year)  ... this year with a better D, hopefully we can at least move the ball a little.  Wouldn't surprise me if we win a playoff game scoring 20 points.  But also wouldn’t surprise me if we didn't score 20 either.   It's a different animal vs a quality playoff NFL team.

I don’t agree on it’s a different animal come playoff time. Football really is just football. Top coaches coming up with good game plans can be a big factor. I don’t really see some completely different game played in the postseason and SB. Rarely see anybody do some 180  on their identity…offense/defense whatever. Think every week it’s a matchup game. 

Thought all along the hardest matchup for us would be Tampa Bay. But the Niners play at physical D and ball control style of football. Seems like it works really well. Not the highest scoring offense. We could accomplish that easy enough by running Hurry Up all game like Chipper loved. Add four extra possessions a game. Bucs D has been had at times. But when they have been on the last few years….it’s been a very physical style of play. Very aggressive. The Niners D dominates! That Dline is incredible! Best in the league! Have the best LB in the game. Warner was by far the best player in our game against the Niners last year. Controlled the whole game. But did it in the playoffs to the ‘top’ teams also. So I’m just not remotely getting trapped in one single box of a way of winning. Best offense….top passing team…..these aren’t the answers. Great tools….but watched too much football to fall for that crap. Tough physical football played by men bound together playing as one can win anytime. Gotta have talent. Raiders have as talented a roster as any. Gotta have eleven guys playing as one. 

Individuals aren’t as strong alone in this game as part of a whole. Coach calls the right playcall you get a wide open guy. Works with most any personnel. QB audibles and catches a D right….don’t need Barry Sanders for that.

Just see it all the time that it’s not the guys that have the most obvious measurables that make good players. I don’t want the extreme wrong idea getting started. Gotta have better measurables than I possess. At 6’ 1” I had good size in middle school. I’m fast. Agile. But not at the level of these guys. I never had a chance to be a Pro Football player. So you gotta have tons of talent. That’s just how I even see the bar for the NFL to make a PS even. But I believe if a DC can mold the D the best to his talent they should be very good. I just need everybody on the same page. This is the playcall. Against this O playcall. How are my LBs handing off to the S /or inside out/ crossers….option gaps. Game can actually be fairly simple. It’s really kind of the same from Pop Warner…high school….college…pros. 

You need to be able to score TDs to win it all. I do believe that. But don’t look at everything as a shootout. It’s one style to play the game. Gotta be ready for everything to give as many changes as possible to succeed. Being as multiple as possible. Quick scores can lead to a higher scoring game. Adds more possessions. But if you run eight minutes off the clock like we just did to pretty well close out the game….you just aren’t going to have as high scoring. Controlling the ball and clock can be a huge additional weapon. If you do that….your D can rest. You keep the opposing QB from staying hot. Or heating up. Sometimes time management might suggest you try and score quick to get another opportunity. Or we’ve been fairly good at kind of locking things down with long methodical drives grinding clock. Going out of bounds would aid FL. Stop the clock with the lead while you have the ball. But not smart football. You could score more points. But counterproductive to winning. Drive down and kill the clock and hopefully put the winning points on the board…or add to and finish things by going up multiple scores. 

This stat chasing crap is just for the birds. Maybe they can identify some things. I just want the team to grow together to be ready to win at the end. Whether AJ is number one in receiving yards I really could care less. Stat chasing and selfish play is arguably our biggest enemy. That and lack of experience coaching at these levels in big games. Got these players potential FA. Last thing we need is a Fletcher Cox bailing on the playcall to chase a stat. Sometimes he just needs to occupy two guys….or hold things down…so the other can make the play. Need that WR tackling the dang defender that intercepted the ball. Can’t Primma Donna business decision to let a guy go for a pick six. Not usually in much job description for WR. But that’s what we need. Do whatever it takes. Then Mailata gets hurt right after his ‘business decision.’  That’s exactly the crap keep anybody from being great. Give up points this game…not the biggest deal. But it’s a mentality. Hard to just shift that off. Losing our LT hurts. Especially with Dillard being out. See how stuff like that snowballs. 

Rhule out at Charlotte. No surprise. Really early to go there. But he had no power. So nobody would put their neck in the line for him. Other coaches need to do what helps their future. They promoted Wilks. But this is exactly what I’m speaking about with everybody being together. So hard to just be so talented to not do things together. We saw it massively after our Super win. We lost coaches. Ok. Went with young guys that earned a higher role. Those guys performed for Pedey. Half to take hard decisions that your Primma Donna QB might not agree with. Your GM doesn’t fully back. So instead of growing with those guys….like even McDermott back when….FO meddled. Rosie was guaranteeing Alshon while he was used up and couldn’t even suit up. Spending his little bit of future money and current money on old used vets that others were backing out on. Rosie and Lurie drove that Super team down as quick as possible. FO, players and coach use eerebt on the same page. Get this megastar QB that had really win nothing dictating too our knowledgeable coach.(s). Have our non football bookkeeper dictating football decisions. We all know he’s involved in game plan day now. We also know he dies exit interviews every game. Being the smart a** know it all is his role. He got humbled by the situation with Chipper. He was actually much more right than that stubborn Jack a22. But he had to tighten everything up. So he had a big picture plan. But then it all broke down I believe because of him. He drafted poorly. Didn’t get the type players we desired. Was so capped out he could only half measure. Sign old used Jackson and Jackson. Not the guys he really desired. But forced to because of the money limitations. Not bringing in the top FA to finish the puzzle. Losing guys and band aid attempting fixes. While strapping our future to the bone. 
 
 But the point is the FO wasn’t getting the right players. Certain players weren’t working with everybody else. Then FO forced firings. So instead of being optimistic about the growth of young quality coaches. They brought in vet senior assistants. Total sabotage. Took Pedey’s legs out from under him. Defense lost its leader in Jenkins. Which a move early instead of late was probably!wise. Trade for studly Sosy materialized. So a change up was in order. Gotta allocate the money sone how. Mostly comes down to available options. But we saw 2017 become 2020….I think mostly because from the meddling from Rosie and Lurie. Team sport. But it takes everybody. Not just players…but definitely beef them….all together. Hard to win anything with your organization so fractured. Why Skins struggle. Nobody could be but so successful in that situation.