2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Right which is why we should be scoring 32 vs these lesser teams. Gets you in the habit of keeping your foot on the gas,because like tonight and almost like this week,teams came back and I really don't want to rely on my defense to save my offense. it didn't work for the Raiders tonight 

I don't care about last year either,that was last year

But you see the pattern.  These things matter...definition of insanity....etc.   The same story.  No where does padding stats and the score vs bad teams translate to anything vs a good team.   The other team isn't scoring from the bench. There is no habit to get into when there is a world of difference in opponents.  But managing the clock properly is something that winning teams do.   

Kelce doesn’t have to be in his prime for us to be very successful as an Oline. If he eliminate a defender then get upfield to a second guy that makes a huge difference. Big pancake block….matters. Big hole the back can trust. So talent and skill of coarse matter. Special players matter. But what you need even more…is reliable consistency. Just five guys knowing every situation their job. Don’t have to pancake…but a complete whiff by (even a great player) can be game changing. Need the TEs and RBs to know their role also. Are they blocking or going out? If blocking you have to know what everybody else is doing. Everybody working together just doing their jobs….is so powerful. Average pros can be greater than a line of All -Pro individuals.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t agree on it’s a different animal come playoff time. Football really is just football. Top coaches coming up with good game plans can be a big factor. I don’t really see some completely different game played in the postseason and SB. Rarely see anybody do some 180  on their identity…offense/defense whatever. Think every week it’s a matchup game. 

Well...ask Lamar the miracle of putting up 40 points per game towards the end of the last few regular seasons and then crap the bed come playoff time.  Murray lighting it up then flopping.    If you don't think playoff football is different,  then I think you are missing a lot.   

Any situation where the loser is done for the season ...that changes the whole situation.  Preparation is different .. intensity is different.    The level of opponent is different,  nothing like we have seen these first 5 weeks.   

Absolutely totally different.  Not even close.

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But you see the pattern.  These things matter...definition of insanity....etc.   The same story.  No where does padding stats and the score vs bad teams translate to anything vs a good team.   The other team isn't scoring from the bench. There is no habit to get into when there is a world of difference in opponents.  But managing the clock properly is something that winning teams do.   

That’s why I just didn’t want to say anything specific for anybody about stats. Smart winning football is important. Kind of like them getting experience with the game on the line more. I don’t think we are the best most talented team. Think the Bills real focused. They are so hungry from feeling they could have for seasons now. I like this group a lot we have. Resilient! Physical! Scrappy! Already see them playing as one behind their leader in Hurts. This is all we got….get sone things go our way….maybe it’s all we need.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Kelce doesn’t have to be in his prime for us to be very successful as an Oline. If he eliminate a defender then get upfield to a second guy that makes a huge difference. Big pancake block….matters. Big hole the back can trust. So talent and skill of coarse matter. Special players matter. But what you need even more…is reliable consistency. Just five guys knowing every situation their job. Don’t have to pancake…but a complete whiff by (even a great player) can be game changing. Need the TEs and RBs to know their role also. Are they blocking or going out? If blocking you have to know what everybody else is doing. Everybody working together just doing their jobs….is so powerful. Average pros can be greater than a line of All -Pro individuals.

This is a huge game coming up.   But you know what. For both teams there are 11 more, including another head to head matchup. 

You don't think it's different than if they meet in January where the loser is done for the year?     Completely different. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s why I just didn’t want to say anything specific for anybody about stats. Smart winning football is important. Kind of like them getting experience with the game on the line more. I don’t think we are the best most talented team. Think the Bills real focused. They are so hungry from feeling they could have for seasons now. I like this group a lot we have. Resilient! Physical! Scrappy! Already see them playing as one behind their leader in Hurts. This is all we got….get sone things go our way….maybe it’s all we need.

And we are one of the top talented teams too.  Pretty much all the experts say that.    That stuff matters, regardless if it doesn't work in your movie.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

This stat chasing crap is just for the birds. Maybe they can identify some things. I just want the team to grow together to be ready to win at the end. Whether AJ is number one in receiving yards I really could care less. Stat chasing and selfish play is arguably our biggest enemy. That and lack of experience coaching at these levels in big games. Got these players potential FA. Last thing we need is a Fletcher Cox bailing on the playcall to chase a stat. Sometimes he just needs to occupy two guys….or hold things down…so the other can make the play. Need that WR tackling the dang defender that intercepted the ball. Can’t Primma Donna business decision to let a guy go for a pick six. Not usually in much job description for WR. But that’s what we need. Do whatever it takes. Then Mailata gets hurt right after his ‘business decision.’  That’s exactly the crap keep anybody from being great. Give up points this game…not the biggest deal. But it’s a mentality. Hard to just shift that off. Losing our LT hurts. Especially with Dillard being out. See how stuff like that snowballs. 

I agree,  no INT and the LT would be healthy.  These things all are linked.

Just like I agree .. you hold the ball and the other team can't score. 

57 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

This is a huge game coming up.   But you know what. For both teams there are 11 more, including another head to head matchup. 

You don't think it's different than if they meet in January where the loser is done for the year?     Completely different. 

Sure I think the pressure builds. But really other than the hype it’s still just football. A play can work this Sunday can work in January. Think in a given season you have tons of film on that years version. So can’t really sneak up on people. Believe there is a constant adjustments all season…even in game. So you go up and down as teams figure out sone if your issues. You also have a solid track record on tendencies. So biggest difference…just knowing each other.

But I don’t see some magic line at the postseason. Think it’s a constant in pro team sports. Always self scouting while also building up your knowledge of others. Postseason just cost fans  more money. But finding tendencies and weaknesses goes on each week…all the best in the business. You get that many DCs and assistant coaches breaking you down…some will figure out ways to hurt you. Always see it mostly with divisional games. Teams know each other so well. But you can’t just become somebody else because it’s postseason time. You’ve developed what you bring tools wise to the matchup. And Matchup is key. That’s where you get a small agreement from me. Because you assume most of these guys are playing at a decently high level to get there. That’s about it. Playing a good team, supposedly. But even that isn’t guaranteed. Top seed could have lost their two best players at the end. Could suck today. Beauty of it all. Yesterday play…tomorrow play….last snap…mean very little. It’s always about what every single guy can do this snap. Right now….the moment. Guy could be ten time All Pro….but if he’s limping ….that’s what you deal with. Next snap.

I just don’t believe postseason success is based on anything different than just good old fashioned football. I refuse to believe that the only way to be successful is the past ways of being successful either. Be a historian of football. There are many proven things with this game. But the one thing I’ve always noticed is …..change. Constantly evolving. I’m old. But dominating D and running the ball won games once. Kicking field goals and playing smart won games. Then saw how the slightest misjudgments thwarted the best of teams. Just don’t see being stuck in eighties football helps you today though. Just so different. Players so much smarter. Bigger and faster also. Dan Marino was way ahead of his time. Remember watching him dominate. So many stuck on that type football today ruling. But it didn’t even then. How can everybody on here watch so much football and not see this. Takes a complimentary team effort. Most everything I’ve ever seen. Some luck also. Getting that top seed has made massive differences. 

Experience is massive. We saw Spags learn under our defensive master…Bellicheat cheats. Jimmie Johnson was brilliant. But he didn’t do enough to protect from the tapping of headsets…or everything that they read. Spags knew about the cheating from that. Notice how he beat Bellicheat the two SB they played. We beat them after that also. Think the colts and Manning worked through figuring all that out. Took many lumps from the cheating to learn how to deal. Maybe even set the cheaters up a bit.

Look at Peyton Manning career. Called him The Sheriff. Everybody in awe. Had the most talented team twice without winning it all. Had the favorite in college at Tenn and failed. Manning never won all those times. Finally won when he threw interceptions more than TDs in the postseason. Had dominant D strip from nowhere in Indy. Denver already loaded one. RB dominated. Manning win both his titles..,game managing. You could say despite of him. He won the big Oats game playing well ti get the title with the colts. I’ll give him that one game. Pretty much stunk every other postseason game…the two title years fir him.

Big DTs for the Niners Kinlaw and Armstead going to be out a few games it’s rumored.

3 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Sure I think the pressure builds. But really other than the hype it’s still just football. A play can work this Sunday can work in January. Think in a given season you have tons of film on that years version. So can’t really sneak up on people. Believe there is a constant adjustments all season…even in game. So you go up and down as teams figure out sone if your issues. You also have a solid track record on tendencies. So biggest difference…just knowing each other.

Lol...so why every year the defense stops the running QB in a lose or go home situation?   Lose or go home is concentration and intensity in the prep work.  Much different.  

On ‎10‎/‎9‎/‎2022 at 8:31 PM, joemas6 said:

Clock management...Eagles had it, AZ did not at the end.   Plus we had the better holder. All the little things matter in a game of inches.

 Holder did not come into play, the Kickers did. That dude for Arizona flat out choked.

Dallas has a solid D-Line that loves to rush the Passer. They do a great job of it too. We need Mailata back because we have to run the ball allot. We need to tire out that Defense. No_huddle to eliminate substitutions. Run Run run than Play action pass. On defense we need to play Man -on Man. No more of this Zone crap. We need to keep those WR's close so our D-Line can get at Rush..... This is a big game. I know it is only week 6, but it is a BIG game. Dallas has owned us the past few years. We need to believe we can beat them. Plus a win will place them back 2 games.

  If anyone thinks this is just another game, they do not know football.......

37 minutes ago, stine said:

 Holder did not come into play, the Kickers did. That dude for Arizona flat out choked.

The hold is all part of the process.  As the great Justin Tucker pointed out in his interview Sunday night.... when he mentioned specifically that his holder got his " first career game winning hold"   and " at that point the ball kicks itself" 

Every detail matters.  I'm sure Elliot would agree it's not coincidence that he has stepped up since getting the new holder.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/roughing-the-passer-call-on-mnf-prompts-officiating-scrutiny/ar-AA12OMYH?rc=1&ocid=winp1taskbar&cvid=06f6dbf532974f8483f70e1873cf2cac

Mailata told reporters on Thursday that he thought the injury was a serious one after his shoulder had to be popped back in, but, via Jeff McLane of the Philadelphia Inqurer, said that he learned he "dodged a bullet” when the results came back. He said they showed a day-to-day injury and that he could be in the lineup for this Sunday’s game against the Cardinals.        So reading between the lines,seems to me Mail could have played vs AZ,but we chose to keep him out so he would be more ready for the game this week. Which makes sense obviously because divisionals are more important. So I believe we were willing to risk maybe lose in Glendale to be more ready for Dullaz. That's what I gleaned from this. SO if he can take some pain meds and be ready,he gets a big rest to finish the heal if needed and should play Sunday

 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not the highest scoring offense.

Well when all your receivers out that kind of limits your options and offensive output. IDK that they have had 2 healthy WR's in any one game,so one guy is pretty easy to defense as you load the box to stop Fournette,so I suspect you see more scoring from them as they get players back ion the lineup and Brate is not Gronk

5 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Get this megastar QB that had really win nothing

UH who got us into SB position? I'm not starting this BS again,but you need to see Wentz was far from nothing. After he got hurt(running) he wasn't the same and that's why I hate to see Hurts running for the same reason. but that is his play style,I just hope be doesn't get mashed and his career ends. This is why I wish to see more pocket passing from him. SO we sign him to a big deal then he pulls an RG3 and if that doesn't concern you it should

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Raiders have as talented a roster as any. Gotta have eleven guys playing as one. 

They took a W/L shot at the 2 pointer,but they hung right in with KC. Carr and Adams are starting to gel. That takes time. Despite the loss the game was impressive and ALL their losses have been 1 score losses,so they are getting close. Lost alot of heartbreakers

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I just don’t believe postseason success is based on anything different than just good old fashioned football. I refuse to believe that the only way to be successful is the past ways of being successful either. Be a historian of football. There are many proven things with this game. But the one thing I’ve always noticed is …..change. Constantly evolving. I’m old. But dominating D and running the ball won games once. Kicking field goals and playing smart won games. Then saw how the slightest misjudgments thwarted the best of teams. Just don’t see being stuck in eighties football helps you today though. Just so different. Players so much smarter. Bigger and faster also. Dan Marino was way ahead of his time. Remember watching him dominate. So many stuck on that type football today ruling. But it didn’t even then. How can everybody on here watch so much football and not see this. Takes a complimentary team effort. Most everything I’ve ever seen. Some luck also. Getting that top seed has made massive differences. 

Individuals make plays. The center is not going to help AJ in the end zone. Dicker won't be around when Slay make an INT,so while the plays combine them all it's the individual who makes the plays or doesn't despite all your essays about playing together. Yes we all understand that it's a team sport,but made up of individuals who make plays. That is why we have "match up analysis" because the individuals matter 

4 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Look at Peyton Manning career. Called him The Sheriff. Everybody in awe. Had the most talented team twice without winning it all. Had the favorite in college at Tenn and failed. Manning never won all those times. Finally won when he threw interceptions more than TDs in the postseason. Had dominant D strip from nowhere in Indy. Denver already loaded one. RB dominated. Manning win both his titles..,game managing. You could say despite of him. He won the big Oats game playing well ti get the title with the colts. I’ll give him that one game. Pretty much stunk every other postseason game…the two title years fir him.

LOL OH there was no killer Manning to Harrison connection? I believe they still hold the records as a tandem? Are those 65 yard TD passes "game management" No,that is putting your foot on the gas and keeping it there. Manning never had a defense to speak of,they simply won by outscoring you and that went of for years. Pats were more talented than us in the SB,but once again an INDIVIDUAL made a play. Foles was a game manager,I have no clue how you can compare him to Manning

1 hour ago, stine said:

Dallas has a solid D-Line that loves to rush the Passer. They do a great job of it too. We need Mailata back because we have to run the ball allot. We need to tire out that Defense. No_huddle to eliminate substitutions. Run Run run than Play action pass. On defense we need to play Man -on Man. No more of this Zone crap. We need to keep those WR's close so our D-Line can get at Rush..... This is a big game. I know it is only week 6, but it is a BIG game. Dallas has owned us the past few years. We need to believe we can beat them. Plus a win will place them back 2 games.

  If anyone thinks this is just another game, they do not know football.......

Agree and I said this is the biggest game of the year. A win puts you up in the tie breaker(if it gets to that). Puts more pressure on the losing team to win game 2. Dullaz LB's are overall the best in the league in my view. We need to pick up their blitz packages. One thing we CAN use against them is playing off their over pursuit. That would play right into our hands as we have a terrific screen game. Goedert can hurt them badly. IDK if Calc can play. I think we use him on some plays,but Dullaz has always been susceptible to the 2 TE sets. If we can run those,I think we should. I heard there is a possibility Dak is back which raises the question for them,"if it ain't broke don't fix it". This is a big game for them too and a QB change could be disastrous when Rush has been pretty good for them.It would mess up all the timing from the last 4 weeks, so I would be a little surprised if they make that change,but we know Dak has a hard head LOL,so will be interesting to see how they play this