25 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Lane bothers me some. Out again(thankfully on a bye week). And I know you cannot predict a concuss, but he missed time other years also. Driscoll got beat like a step child, need to at least find a better RT BU and Lane sometimes threatens to quit, so ????????? Seems all our BU's are better off the left side? Maybe its just me

Think taking all these practice reps against BG and then a cat like Parsons could be good medicine for Driscoll. Parson, TJ Watt, Von Miller….I doubt he ever gets to shutting those elite guys out.

Getting down to two weeks until the trade deadline. This bye week is a good time to assess all angles there. Need to self scout this week as well.

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Disagree, because things that happen with the 2022 team affect the 2023 team. Team,decisions,draft thoughts,offseason acquisitions are 24/7/365 and there is no way for me personally to draw a line of separation. To me it's always a fluid intertwined thing constantly moving

I don't think it constantly moves forward each year. I think next year is a big crossroads with the franchise.   Too many old players and one year deals.   It's a bigger evaluation than the norm IMO.

For starters ... Josh Sweat and Jordan Davis....who else you got locked in on the DL?    Who plays C and RG next year?  That's the lines, the foundation of the team.    

What does the RB room look like next year besides Gainwell?   And older Slay and Maddux in the slot,  what about the rest of the secondary?    Who are your LBs?

It's a lot to assess..  need to look at a whole season to judge the big picture,not just if the S will make an extra 2 million? 

They have ideas... but we need to see a good evaluation of 17 plus games, and know which old player and which one year deal you want to keep around.  Then free agency and then the draft. 

A key factor might be if we bring in anyone before the trade deadline. 

So much to decide... not even getting to the QBs contract yet.  I hope they don't make rush decisions based on a few games.

Different contracts can happen at different times. We have several good players in contract years we’d like to retain. Epps, Gardner-Johnson, Sanders, White and Bradbury. Only real guy to contemplate is maybe Sandrrs depending on his price. All these guys are earning bigger and bigger contracts by each game they play this year. 

Unless you don’t think we have much money because of all the backloaded contracts.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You obsessed about Hurts. We all discussed it. Gardner-Johnson was a pretty quick obvious fit. Good trade. Gotta consider extending. Epps is first priority if you can do things right. What about Bradbury? Quez? Sanders?

I mean 10 or 12 million you discuss.... but 50 million you were in denial about.  " the Eagles can keep him cheap one more year "  lol.  Clueless

What moves does it stop us making if the safety costs us 2 million more?   The QB salary actually changes things. 

You don't think you can find another unhappy safety on the cheap?  QB is a major factor.

Just now, joemas6 said:

I mean 10 or 12 million you discuss.... but 50 million you were in denial about.  " the Eagles can keep him cheap one more year "  lol.  Clueless

What moves does it stop us making if the safety costs us 2 million more?   The QB salary actually changes things. 

You don't think you can find another unhappy safety on the cheap?  QB is a major factor.

A whole moving puzzle to decide on…like always. Gotta prioritize. Can’t sign QB1 yet. But the guys I’m listing you can….right now. All ties into the trade deadline moves. All having to fit into the bigger picture. So we need to be sizing up what their agents are suggesting is their target salaries. Which players we prioritize accordingly. Like I said, Epps, needs to be first. Right way to do things ideally. He’s done it here. Then It’s tough…..Gardner-Johnson and White are both great fits. Those two next I’d think.

48 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I mean 10 or 12 million you discuss.... but 50 million you were in denial about.  " the Eagles can keep him cheap one more year "  lol.  Clueless

What moves does it stop us making if the safety costs us 2 million more?   The QB salary actually changes things. 

You don't think you can find another unhappy safety on the cheap?  QB is a major factor.

We got Avonte Maddox at 7.5 mil a year as a Slot CB. Ceedy Deuce demanded a trade because Zona was prioritizing others and capping him as a Slot CB. So we could assume Cards wanted to pay Gardner-Johnson like we paid Maddox. But he decided he wants S money. Now that market has blown up to 20 mil. We balked at the top FA paying 14 mil. So quite a big gap between 7.5 mil and 20 mil. He was looking for more than we’ll assume near 7.5 already. How far is he playing his way towards the twenty mil? So if you want to retain his services seeing how he started day one with no TC. Never been in this system. Showed quickly he fit. You’d have to assume with his tangible athleticism and time in this D he’d easily get better and improve  through the season. Easily you’d have to think the best plan toward the future is investing more in youth than twilight players. All the guys I’m listing for that bill. Kelce, BG, Cox and Hargrave you can’t be banking on. Maybe one of those can be kept if he gives a hometown discount and finishing the year strong. Bradbury….I’d think being a very good player but possibly last on the prioritize list of the few I’ve been mentioning. 

The other down the road consideration that will come will be compensatory picks. Think we should be spending money mostly in house. So if we lose a guy or two that signs big money we get decent compensatory picks. That’s if we don’t sign FAs. But think that’s already setup if we just spend on our own pending FA instead. Make trade otherwise to circumvent the comp formula. Those comp picks won’t arrive until 2024. But would think we are lined up to add a couple this offseason. That’s a part of the bigger picture plan I foresee as a high probability option of likely hood.

On the Dline, No Mas, Tupiiloutu is a guy you seemed to have not noticed. The guy has stepped up with a tear of NFL training. Become what I’d refer to as the backup Nose. A place on short yardage and ST. Milton is the other guy that looks solid even in his second season from a small school. Reddick is practically to be considered Dline. Just because he’s rushing most all the time standing up….doesn’t change much. They label him SLB. But he isn’t playing as an off the ball LB. Term the mostly use know-a-days is Edge. Sweat looks very good. Tarron Jackson has shown in the rotation already. Another smaller school guy that fits. Those  smaller school guys especially you just have to think will benefit from Pro weight training. But most signs point toward letting Fletch and Hargrave go ….unless one gives a decently home team discount….if that’s even in the budget….not first priority. 
   So I think that easily makes the Saints pick favor Dline. Corner next in line of draft priority. Oline is almost a given. We stacked LB especially if we retain White. If we keep both S that lines the D up fairly obvious. Sanders….RB situation main O next need.

59 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

A whole moving puzzle to decide on…like always. Gotta prioritize. Can’t sign QB1 yet. But the guys I’m listing you can….right now. All ties into the trade deadline moves. All having to fit into the bigger picture. So we need to be sizing up what their agents are suggesting is their target salaries. Which players we prioritize accordingly. Like I said, Epps, needs to be first. Right way to do things ideally. He’s done it here. Then It’s tough…..Gardner-Johnson and White are both great fits. Those two next I’d think.

How do you know those are Howies priorities?

29 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

The other down the road consideration that will come will be compensatory picks. Think we should be spending money mostly in house. So if we lose a guy or two that signs big money we get decent compensatory picks. That’s if we don’t sign FAs. But think that’s already setup if we just spend on our own pending FA instead. Make trade otherwise to circumvent the comp formula. Those comp picks won’t arrive until 2024. But would think we are lined up to add a couple this offseason. That’s a part of the bigger picture plan I foresee as a high probability option of likely hood.

Too soon to think about compensatory picks.Doubtful you're going to find a star in that bunch, maybe a BU if you are lucky. Guys could get hurt. I'm with Joe there,way too soon to talk about 2024. Can't plan that far ahead because all that work would be for nothing because its so far out your plans would be useless by then

So trade deadline it puts the idea of Burns front and center to me. McCaffrey many see. Too pricey I think for a RB. Burns is cheap this season. Fifth year option next season. Think it was 16 mil. Could rework that longer term. Could fit into our cap predicament really well. Price can’t be cheap for a young already been to the Pro Bowl pass rusher. I asked what thoughts are about giving up the Eagles first round pick in 2022 for him. Hoping pick 32. But I don’t think that’s really getting that deal done. He’s cheap…and proven…and a pass rusher. So Eagles(calling it that to not confuse with Saints) first rounder in 2023 and 2024 is what I think would be more reality. If you plan on us having opened a contending window…you’d expect both of those to be late first round picks. But giving up that compensation I’d be doing it knowing I need to pay him. But Rosie will love that. Because he’s cheap for the rest of 2022. We could suck up and just pay full 16 mil next season on fifth year option for him. But that’s likely a big strain. So Rosie could go full Rosie and backload 2023 into 2027. 
   Now considering ALL these factors….the maybe you alter that 2023 Saints first rounder from being Dline. Which I would think adds value to the move potentially….depending….

…….anyway….anyway….I’m my kind this kind of all adds up and makes sense as a very huge possibility to consider.

   I’m sure tons of guys we haven’t even heard about or can even speculate will be dangled. Burns is the guy that’s makes the most sense to me. Give me other options ….and I’ll weigh it all out. But always gotta consider the bigger picture. So balancing every single option and factor is the job of the GM. Money and draft picks versus actual attainability. Need a bit of a crystal ball. But should have a good idea who becomes FA league wide. Reading the market value of each position. Balancing that with our own FA. Compensatory picks. Draft pick options versus trade options. Draft picks cheaper. Proven Pro Bowl players hard to get a chance at obtaining….especially young ones. Having young talented guys already proving here their value probably trumps all.

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Can’t sign QB1 yet.

So either you want Hurts out, or you're going to sign him and you can probably put that down on paper if you plan on signing him,so the fact we CAN'T sign him right now doesn't change the fact he will be signed

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So trade deadline it puts the idea of Burns front and center to me. McCaffrey many see. Too pricey I think for a RB. Burns is cheap this season. Fifth year option next season. Think it was 16 mil. Could rework that longer term. Could fit into our cap predicament really well. Price can’t be cheap for a young already been to the Pro Bowl pass rusher. I asked what thoughts are about giving up the Eagles first round pick in 2022 for him. Hoping pick 32. But I don’t think that’s really getting that deal done. He’s cheap…and proven…and a pass rusher. So Eagles(calling it that to not confuse with Saints) first rounder in 2023 and 2024 is what I think would be more reality. If you plan on us having opened a contending window…you’d expect both of those to be late first round picks. But giving up that compensation I’d be doing it knowing I need to pay him. But Rosie will love that. Because he’s cheap for the rest of 2022. We could suck up and just pay full 16 mil next season on fifth year option for him. But that’s likely a big strain. So Rosie could go full Rosie and backload 2023 into 2027. 
   Now considering ALL these factors….the maybe you alter that 2023 Saints first rounder from being Dline. Which I would think adds value to the move potentially….depending….

…….anyway….anyway….I’m my kind this kind of all adds up and makes sense as a very huge possibility to consider.

   I’m sure tons of guys we haven’t even heard about or can even speculate will be dangled. Burns is the guy that’s makes the most sense to me. Give me other options ….and I’ll weigh it all out. But always gotta consider the bigger picture. So balancing every single option and factor is the job of the GM. Money and draft picks versus actual attainability. Need a bit of a crystal ball. But should have a good idea who becomes FA league wide. Reading the market value of each position. Balancing that with our own FA. Compensatory picks. Draft pick options versus trade options. Draft picks cheaper. Proven Pro Bowl players hard to get a chance at obtaining….especially young ones. Having young talented guys already proving here their value probably trumps all.

So now you are all for back loading contracts?

42 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We got Avonte Maddox at 7.5 mil a year as a Slot CB. Ceedy Deuce demanded a trade because Zona was prioritizing others and capping him as a Slot CB. So we could assume Cards wanted to pay Gardner-Johnson like we paid Maddox. But he decided he wants S money. Now that market has blown up to 20 mil. We balked at the top FA paying 14 mil. So quite a big gap between 7.5 mil and 20 mil. He was looking for more than we’ll assume near 7.5 already. How far is he playing his way towards the twenty mil? So if you want to retain his services seeing how he started day one with no TC. Never been in this system. Showed quickly he fit. You’d have to assume with his tangible athleticism and time in this D he’d easily get better and improve  through the season. Easily you’d have to think the best plan toward the future is investing more in youth than twilight players. All the guys I’m listing for that bill. Kelce, BG, Cox and Hargrave you can’t be banking on. Maybe one of those can be kept if he gives a hometown discount and finishing the year strong. Bradbury….I’d think being a very good player but possibly last on the prioritize list of the few I’ve been mentioning. 

I thought he came from the Saints?

13 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How do you know those are Howies priorities?

We know they prioritize the lines. 

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

How do you know those are Howies priorities?

I’m saying he’s weighing all possible options. Gauging current young talented guys already here with what their compensation expectations are should help evaluate. But can’t see how you watch this team and don’t want to keep the guys I’m listing. Good players. Probably can’t keep all. My reasoning of not being able to retain all the goid in-house talent is the stuff you guys don’t want to hear….all about how we didn’t clear our salary cap first to enable a cleaner better championship window. We are capped out really. So Rosie has, time and time again, shown he prefers the guy signing he can work to deal with the cap hit four years from now and after with even dead money.

  But clearly have to look at these guys playing massive percentage of snaps as keepers. Bradbury, Gardner-Johnson, Epps and White are always out there. They are each thriving. So I don’t see a version of not wanting to keep any of them. So it just comes down to money.

  Luxury guys to keep that are FA are Fletch, Hargrave, BG and Kelce. Be great to keep everybody. But these guys earn big bucks and are in the twilight of their careers. I just don’t see the cap money available to hardly even consider keeping these grizzled studs going forward. Think we are looking more to rework a few of the guys we have signed longer term to even try to keep most of the younger players I’m suggesting. Bradbury maybe fits more in this twilight group than the young group. Clearly teams targeting that side instead of Slay. He’s been fairly up to the challenge I’d judge. So that’s worth some serious thought and consideration.

15 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Too soon to think about compensatory picks.Doubtful you're going to find a star in that bunch, maybe a BU if you are lucky. Guys could get hurt. I'm with Joe there,way too soon to talk about 2024. Can't plan that far ahead because all that work would be for nothing because its so far out your plans would be useless by then

I think you can easily plan for us to be looking to earn compensatory picks this off season. We have plenty of good contract year players. Enough to use all our money on instead of reaching towards FA. So I’m locking in planning on earning compensatory picks. We going to lose high paid FA. Maybe we deliberately let one or two very good players walk because of this. Top FA at positions garner third round comp picks. Hargrave, Cox, Sanders and BG….let’s say those and we let one more go. A DB perhaps. Go ahead and say Bradbury. That’s potentially some very lector compensatory haul. What you think they bring us in comp picks? Assume for arguments sake we bring in nobody of more from outside as a FA.

 Hargrave, Cox, BG, Sanders and Bradbury? Could be the biggest comp pick haul we’ve ever earned I’d think.

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We know they prioritize the lines. 

What I based my thoughts on

18 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I thought he came from the Saints?

Yes, thanks for the correction. Please all note.

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m saying he’s weighing all possible options. Gauging current young talented guys already here with what their compensation expectations are should help evaluate. But can’t see how you watch this team and don’t want to keep the guys I’m listing. Good players. Probably can’t keep all. My reasoning of not being able to retain all the goid in-house talent is the stuff you guys don’t want to hear….all about how we didn’t clear our salary cap first to enable a cleaner better championship window. We are capped out really. So Rosie has, time and time again, shown he prefers the guy signing he can work to deal with the cap hit four years from now and after with even dead money.

  But clearly have to look at these guys playing massive percentage of snaps as keepers. Bradbury, Gardner-Johnson, Epps and White are always out there. They are each thriving. So I don’t see a version of not wanting to keep any of them. So it just comes down to money.

  Luxury guys to keep that are FA are Fletch, Hargrave, BG and Kelce. Be great to keep everybody. But these guys earn big bucks and are in the twilight of their careers. I just don’t see the cap money available to hardly even consider keeping these grizzled studs going forward. Think we are looking more to rework a few of the guys we have signed longer term to even try to keep most of the younger players I’m suggesting. Bradbury maybe fits more in this twilight group than the young group. Clearly teams targeting that side instead of Slay. He’s been fairly up to the challenge I’d judge. So that’s worth some serious thought and consideration.

I agree after the season it deserves a lot of consideration 

Plus I don't think you sign the old guys ...well because they are old. Time to move on. Priority should be addressing the lines.  That is their calling card.  

I think they have plenty of money to do whatever they want.  Cap space looks great in 2024... next year they will sign guys using the bonus/ backload that ALL 32 teams use.... and if the QB gets extended, the real cap hit will start in 2025.  

They will sign who they want.  They didn't balk at " A safety for whatever price "  they balked at that particular safety.  

They show interest in plenty of players.... showing interest and really wanting a guy are 2 different things. 

They will have lots of decisions next offseason for sure.

Will be nice to get a good schedule in 2023... very easily could be 1st place NFC North, South and AFC West.  Along with NFC West and AFC East divisions.  

Would have been nice to try to judge the contract extensions playing that schedule instead.  Houston and Chicago are no slouches though. 🤷‍♂️

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I agree after the season it deserves a lot of consideration 

No way you aren’t considering all these factors. Especially being at the trade deadline. The trade I’m front running and contemplating is a very big one. A young Pro Bowl pass rusher. Take number 32 in 2023 plus 32 in 2024. But maybe there are better deals to work. Can’t know all. But I’m balancing  all these contract players on our team, draft picks, cap room. So I think the plan of going great comp picks this offseason towards 2024 draft is a factor. We have two second rounders in 2024. Maybe we just give up one of those fir an unnamed trade possibility player. Don’t know. But can’t possibly not consider everything before you can make a deadline deal this year. Especially a big move. Or what I’d say is a considerable trade. Availability, cost versus position. Don’t think we should be buying hard on a very short term option like the Bills did with Von Miller. Guy just dominated and dictated the game for the Rams last year. Doing it again this year. Arguably biggest factor in yesterdays titan matchup versus Mahomes. Love those results. But Bills really paying for it. But don’t think that should be our path. I want to be entering and maintaining a championship window potentially. So my thoughts are to strengthen this year’s squad and push chips in and be serious about trying to go for it. But gotta do it in a manner that is somewhat sustainable for next few years. I won’t it all!

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Will be nice to get a good schedule in 2023... very easily could be 1st place NFC North, South and AFC West.  Along with NFC West and AFC East divisions.  

Would have been nice to try to judge the contract extensions playing that schedule instead.  Houston and Chicago are no slouches though. 🤷‍♂️

Our schedule strength is sitting right at middle of the pack currently. Do think it’s still early to really judge and calm that correctly though. Have to see how teams finish and what injuries everybody faces. No easy schedule this year. Solid NFL games. We are looking to need to earn things this season. AFC looks to possibly be the stronger conference I will say against that. Top  NFC teams from last year look to have taken a step back. So we closed the gap big time.

First thing to judge anything on is division. Always prioritize winning the division. But East looks like the surprise Toughest division….at least right now. First half of season. So we gotta earn home field the hard way it would appear ….early read anyway.