12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Siri,year 2,still has things to learn and I am fine with his progress. Hurts,excellent runner and gets those 4th down conversions because A) he has tremendous lower body strength and B) we have some strong big guys pushing on his back. Hurts reading D's better, but still have seen little in if he has improved as a passer or not. Not that he hasn't it's just I haven't seen it. 12 defensive turnovers is very impressive,allows us to stall and burn the clock,but that is not offense,that is game management. I'm just waiting around to see this offense fire it up. Don't get me wrong happy to see we are 6-0,but I would like closer to perfection myself

Agreed.

I'm not into FF, but I would like to see some consistency. The W's are GREAT, but from pure entertainment value it'd be nice to see a replica of the Greatest Show on Turf. LOL I don't ask for much. This O has shown glimpses of it. They're still refining the product and I'm good with that. I feel something exquisite blooming within this team. 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

UH when you have +12 takeaways that keeps the other team from scoring?. We win by 9 points or less but those 12 don't matter?. You want to give those 12 takeaways back and see if they can score on us? Would we be 6-0 without them and have the "highest scoring" offense? Like we played those top high power offensive teams?(I will give you the vikes which was an impressive DEFENSIVE win). We're going to outscore KC,Buffalo and those guys? Lets recall this(once again) was the 2nd easiest schedule in the NFL SO when your team gets 2 extra offensive series per game that doesn't help your score? 12 takeaways/6 games=2 extra offensive series per game. What would interest me more is how many points we got off those turnovers

Our schedule is middle of the pack. Tankathon has our strength of schedule. You are relying on what happened last season to judge what teams are this season. That everyone was proclaiming the NFC East the weakest division. Looking more like the strongest division. Raiders and Broncos aren’t the dominant forces many predicted.

   The plus 12 takeaway number your attributing only to the D. They have their role they’ve played. But the other half is how the O hasn’t been giving the ball away. That would decrease our take away advantage, no?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But the other half is how the O hasn’t been giving the ball away. That would decrease our take away advantage, no?

Agreed. Ball security hasn't been an issue. A pleasure to see!

So we’ve had more than 12 defensive take aways. We are plus 12 in turnover differential. See the difference? This includes the whole team.

6-0.  6 wins that were expected.  Style points don't matter early in the season, just get the wins.  Heading into the playoffs is when you look at that.  3 months away, just get the wins. 

Going by the chart on the following link wouldn't the team turnover diff be +17?

19 total take aways (10 fumble recoveries + 9 INT's); 2 give aways (2 INT's). 19-2=17

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/stats/team/team/turnovers/nfl/regular/

Not sure,… but we recovered our own fumbles could be what’s throwing you off…

No, total fumbles - 5, fumbles lost = 0. Then 2 INT's. Only 2 give aways is what I'm seeing. 

19 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Trade 6 back to 9 or 10 you can add a later 1 probably in the teens so say 10,16,30? (3 round 1's) I'm thinking despite 2 good drafts in a row,this one would be the one where we cover the old guys replacements,so maybe use all 3 this year IDK. Howie is better than anyone on this board at finagling

Trading 6 for a 10 will not get you an additional 1st rounder unless a team is desperate or another is also looking to move up. At most it will net you an additional 2nd rounder. To get an additional 1st you would have to trade back to around 16 realistically.

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Our schedule is middle of the pack. Tankathon has our strength of schedule. You are relying on what happened last season to judge what teams are this season. That everyone was proclaiming the NFC East the weakest division. Looking more like the strongest division. Raiders and Broncos aren’t the dominant forces many predicted.

   The plus 12 takeaway number your attributing only to the D. They have their role they’ve played. But the other half is how the O hasn’t been giving the ball away. That would decrease our take away advantage, no?

Now you are changing the subject,that new subject is "giveaways" of which none of these posts were about. I think your point would be obvious. As obvious as mine should be to you

2 hours ago, stine said:

Trading 6 for a 10 will not get you an additional 1st rounder unless a team is desperate or another is also looking to move up. At most it will net you an additional 2nd rounder. To get an additional 1st you would have to trade back to around 16 realistically.

yes,sorry, it was an EXAMPLE,I did not do the required math, nor get out the trade chart values,nor do fake planning on which team would move up and give another team 2  round 1's to where we could finagle 3, and a QB hungry team will give us whatever we want if we are sitting at 4,5,6. We raped the Saints,but apparently we can't to that again. Sorry I need to be more speficif when I site an EXAMPLE and state that is an EXAMPLE,but I thought everyone was smart enough to know that. But since we fine tooth comp every post for a misplaced word,rather than the point being made,I will make it more clear next time. Apologies 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Our schedule is middle of the pack. Tankathon has our strength of schedule. You are relying on what happened last season to judge what teams are this season. That everyone was proclaiming the NFC East the weakest division. Looking more like the strongest division. Raiders and Broncos aren’t the dominant forces many predicted.

   The plus 12 takeaway number your attributing only to the D. They have their role they’ve played. But the other half is how the O hasn’t been giving the ball away. That would decrease our take away advantage, no?

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/remaining_schedule_strength yes NOW we are middle of the pack,because already beat most of the easier teams. other than the Vikes we may have had the easiest other 5 weeks in the NFL(but lets not count those because we need to make the point on the agenda) and I doubt anyone expected the Gnats to be where they are nor the Boyz especially with a BU QB. So NOW we are middle of the pack until those 2 teams start losing and we BARELY beat the boyz with a BU QB who tossed 3 picks. I would classify that as a LUCKY "easy" win because not many teams can win a game with 3 picks,so once again you need to find the WHY behind mere stats

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You are relying on what happened last season to judge what teams are this season.

I'm not "relying" on anything,I am COMPARING them. Is AJ better than Reagor?  Does Hurts have another years experience? Did we not get Bradberry and White to help our defense? Sadners in now at 100%? With a less than stellar/perfect(pick your adjective) team last year we scored 25.6 PPG, now I think we are around 27,so ALL that investment nets 2 PPG? Doesn't seem like much bang for the buck IMO. We're 6-0 because of the defensive investment,which is fine,but don't extrude that into saying we have a top offense because we do NOT. We SHOULD though. We should be blowing teams out not winning by 6-9 and we're only doing that because of 12 takeaways. As easy to see as my "undraftable QB" who is now a round 1 pick(and lets recall since I have no clue what to look for in a QB he was nobody when I picked him out). Sorry about being wrong about Strong,I don't control his health. Nice to know though after  beating up last years crap teams that we can contend with "middle of the pack" teams now. I was just hoping for more

It is all good. Just wanted to explain that it would be difficult to grab 3 #1's for a 6th pick. Unless you rec'd later picks or found someone desperate enough to offer more. Like Chicago did that one year...

    We will most likely end up with a 5-10 pick from NO...

5 minutes ago, stine said:

It is all good. Just wanted to explain that it would be difficult to grab 3 #1's for a 6th pick. Unless you rec'd later picks or found someone desperate enough to offer more. Like Chicago did that one year...

    We will most likely end up with a 5-10 pick from NO...

Would a team that misses on a draft QB trade a late 1 for Shew? I know I would not, yet he started 2 years on a crap team and I would have no idea the height of their desperation. And if I were planning a run this year I probably would not trade him away anyhow,but we know the impossible happens. Wentz out again for the wuss. Heinke has outplayed him,so I will suggest Wentz is out for them also. Wonder how many calls they got from Carsons mommy HAHAHA 

7 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

No, total fumbles - 5, fumbles lost = 0. Then 2 INT's. Only 2 give aways is what I'm seeing. 

It's the new woke core math. 2+2=5 like in 1984  10+9=12. You need to study more 🤣 You'll get it 😀

21 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.tankathon.com/nfl/remaining_schedule_strength yes NOW we are middle of the pack,because already beat most of the easier teams. other than the Vikes we may have had the easiest other 5 weeks in the NFL(but lets not count those because we need to make the point on the agenda) and I doubt anyone expected the Gnats to be where they are nor the Boyz especially with a BU QB. So NOW we are middle of the pack until those 2 teams start losing and we BARELY beat the boyz with a BU QB who tossed 3 picks. I would classify that as a LUCKY "easy" win because not many teams can win a game with 3 picks,so once again you need to find the WHY behind mere stats

I also suspect as we hit post season the game schedule could be more difficult also? Rocket science. When you hit the SB your team has the toughest schedule in the league🤣

17 minutes ago, stine said:

It is all good. Just wanted to explain that it would be difficult to grab 3 #1's for a 6th pick. Unless you rec'd later picks or found someone desperate enough to offer more. Like Chicago did that one year...

    We will most likely end up with a 5-10 pick from NO...

Yeah they are kind of seeing pick 6 for us at the moment,I have seen about the same spread in the 4-10 range. More interesting is alot of places have our pick at 31 or 32

27 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Yeah they are kind of seeing pick 6 for us at the moment,I have seen about the same spread in the 4-10 range. More interesting is alot of places have our pick at 31 or 32

What we need, is for NO to crap the bed and both Seattle and Denver to start winning. If that happens, I can see Seattle trading both of their picks for our 5th selection, should we get that low. I would assume Seattle have around Numbers 10 and 14 or something like that..... We may have to give up a third in addition to our 5th pick....

https://www.espn.com/nfl/stats/team/_/table/passing/sort/totalPointsPerGame/dir/desc  So Ham lets do some looking around. Last year we averaged 25.7 PPG now we are up to 26.8,so 1.1 more PPG(and not even that if you take away the score fest in Detroit) be that as it may the stats are the stats,so with 8 MORE takeaways than ANY OTHER team in the league(which translates to 8 more scoring opportunities) why are we not #1 in scoring PPG? I can tell you why,because we had leads and we just clock burn,but if we have this high powered offense why are we not leading in this category? When I watch the Bills or Chiefs I don't see them taking their foot off the gas, yet we DO and although "a win is a win" I was expecting more from our offensive investments. 

9 minutes ago, stine said:

What we need, is for NO to crap the bed and both Seattle and Denver to start winning. If that happens, I can see Seattle trading both of their picks for our 5th selection, should we get that low. I would assume Seattle have around Numbers 10 and 14 or something like that..... We may have to give up a third in addition to our 5th pick....

Will be interesting for sure,as I see it there are 4-5 possible round 1 QB's but more than 5 QB needy teams. Now we need to add the WUss into the mix because I think they dump Wentz. Heinke seems decent enough but IDK if they think he is their future. If Tua has a career ending injury the Fins will be around also. So the Wuss, Seattle,TB,Atl,Houston,Colts, Saints maybe Miami would all be teams that would like a round 1 QB prospect. maybe SF cause lance looks awful so far lol. Can't really rule out the Bears either,although they have given Fields zero things to work with which isn't his fault,but they have their scapegoat

1 hour ago, stine said:

It is all good. Just wanted to explain that it would be difficult to grab 3 #1's for a 6th pick. Unless you rec'd later picks or found someone desperate enough to offer more. Like Chicago did that one year...

    We will most likely end up with a 5-10 pick from NO...

Yes,I understand. Lots of scenarios could come about before the draft. We could even see some 2023 draft position changes before the trade deadline. Thing is either we re-sign Shew as our BU or we let him walk OR we trade him by 11/1 to at least get some value from him. A round 1 pick for him would be a reach by the other team,yet if they feel there is no chance they can move up in the draft,it could be a possibility we could rape someone else lol. of course doing that you risk your BU should we hit post season and IDK how good Book is

https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/minshew-jags-stats   FWIW Shew had better stats/rating in many categories with the crap Jags team than Hurts. Take it however you wish and he never did get a full season in. Please,I am not suggesting a QB change, merely pointing out he has starting QB potential

43 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Will be interesting for sure,as I see it there are 4-5 possible round 1 QB's but more than 5 QB needy teams. Now we need to add the WUss into the mix because I think they dump Wentz. Heinke seems decent enough but IDK if they think he is their future. If Tua has a career ending injury the Fins will be around also. So the Wuss, Seattle,TB,Atl,Houston,Colts, Saints maybe Miami would all be teams that would like a round 1 QB prospect. maybe SF cause lance looks awful so far lol. Can't really rule out the Bears either,although they have given Fields zero things to work with which isn't his fault,but they have their scapegoat

Didn't Washington draft a guy this year?

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Didn't Washington draft a guy this year?

5th round. Howell from NC