1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Every GM and draft value chart I’ve seen has future draft picks as worth less than current ones. So 19 now versus 11 next year? Probably lose value there according to many charts. Not terrible but don’t whine and cry if we lose a close playoff game this year. I wanted to do the opposite…trade next years pick to aid this year. Really stack this years team…plus going forward. It’s cool if you think we aren’t a contender this year. But no way I can’t say 2022 Eags are better without another tool or two in the shed. Adding in the draft…they help the future also. That trade only really benefits us if it’s a top ten pick next year really. Even still if we needed to go all in on a QB. Which we don’t. Seems the Hurts haters liked it so they could dream of a draft QB. But that still would arguably have costed a ton of draft ammo to accomplish. 

Ok..

.stop it already.   

16, 19, 194 ... for 18, 101, 237 and next years 1st and the following years 2nd is a no brainer.

And your idea of one play away THIS YEAR.

Then if it's pick 11 or pick #1...both would be irrelevant.   To quantify by saying "it has to be a top 5 pick" ... doesn't make sense.  Team needs a lot of work in the future replacing old guys.  You would make the trade for Burns... without the Saints trade it leaves no 1st next year and no 2nd in 2024.    Instead we can do the trade and keep good assets if there is a desire to make a move. 

26 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok..

.stop it already.   

16, 19, 194 ... for 18, 101, 237 and next years 1st and the following years 2nd is a no brainer.

And your idea of one play away THIS YEAR.

Then if it's pick 11 or pick #1...both would be irrelevant.   To quantify by saying "it has to be a top 5 pick" ... doesn't make sense.  Team needs a lot of work in the future replacing old guys.  You would make the trade for Burns... without the Saints trade it leaves no 1st next year and no 2nd in 2024.    Instead we can do the trade and keep good assets if there is a desire to make a move. 

Well you KNOW there will many teams moving up(if they can)for a QB,so look at players 6-15 because those are "top 5-top 10" players who will fall as teams race and reach for QB's.. I like Burns but IMO he is not worth 2 firsts(and that is MINIMUM) When you can use 1 of your round 1's on an edge guy who could be just as good. if we pick 4th I fully suspect we MOVE BACK and rape someone who is desperate for the 4 spot for a QB and that edge guy(or whomever) will be there at 5,6,7 maybe and like you said we have again players to replace and get groomed so Once again to me this draft should be the most picks possible in the first 4 rounds(where in theory you find useful players)

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

And you always skip both the other parts..

Getting a 3rd round pick for a 6th.

And moving up from 19 to 18.  

Let me ask you ....if you buy a car for $39,000.... do you think it's just $30,000.... with the idea of just using the first digit?  Like the other numbers don't matter?   This is what it seems when you talk.

The FULL TRADE was a no- brainer!  

I look at like they moved up from 18 to 16 for a 3rd. Similar to what we did with the Cowboys for Smitty,right? So then we traded 18 fir the Saints 1 in 2023 and a 2 in 2024. 
   I wanted to move back from 18 to like 26 instead. So whats that get you? I mentioned a couple pass rushers and an elite speed S.

You can’t trade back in the first that far for just one specific player, obviously. Would having a top draft S not be good for us? Even if he’s our third S this year. Three S are pretty needed anyway. Both S we have are in contract year also. 

6 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Well you KNOW there will many teams moving up(if they can)for a QB,so look at players 6-15 because those are "top 5-top 10" players who will fall as teams race and reach for QB's.. I like Burns but IMO he is not worth 2 firsts(and that is MINIMUM) When you can use 1 of your round 1's on an edge guy who could be just as good. if we pick 4th I fully suspect we MOVE BACK and rape someone who is desperate for the 4 spot for a QB and that edge guy(or whomever) will be there at 5,6,7 maybe and like you said we have again players to replace and get groomed so Once again to me this draft should be the most picks possible in the first 4 rounds(where in theory you find useful players)

Could be just as good. Some really sick looking Dline up top in this draft. But hard to say they are like a very young already Pro Bowl pass rusher. Burns has proven that…at this level. I really love the potential of several of these guys. But even then….just can’t say they compare to a Pro Bowler. I’m optimistic that our 2023 first and 2024 first will be late in the round. Hard for me to not see Rosie track record and realize the odds of a bust.
  If I’m at 4. I don’t want to trade back there either. Probably two…maybe three QB go early. Meaning we get arguably the top player in the draft. You can load up a bunch of picks….but I’m real pressed to throw away the super beast Dline guy. 

6 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Ok..

.stop it already.   

16, 19, 194 ... for 18, 101, 237 and next years 1st and the following years 2nd is a no brainer.

And your idea of one play away THIS YEAR.

Then if it's pick 11 or pick #1...both would be irrelevant.   To quantify by saying "it has to be a top 5 pick" ... doesn't make sense.  Team needs a lot of work in the future replacing old guys.  You would make the trade for Burns... without the Saints trade it leaves no 1st next year and no 2nd in 2024.    Instead we can do the trade and keep good assets if there is a desire to make a move. 

You have your opinion. You can’t argue that helped us this year. Not unless we use that draft ammo to trade now. So you really can’t get very upset if we fall just short this season. You don’t think we need anymore talent now. I want more than just that. I was really thinking we should have considered trading 2023 pick(s) for even another player this year. Top teams trade their future picks to get it done this season. Why couldn’t that be a thought? I would not be composing about two more first round talent players from the draft added THIS year. Not even selling out for a one year rental or anything …these guys will help for the future also.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I look at like they moved up from 18 to 16 for a 3rd. Similar to what we did with the Cowboys for Smitty,right? So then we traded 18 fir the Saints 1 in 2023 and a 2 in 2024. 
   I wanted to move back from 18 to like 26 instead. So whats that get you? I mentioned a couple pass rushers and an elite speed S.

You need glasses then...because nothing was similar to any Cowboys trade

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You can’t trade back in the first that far for just one specific player, obviously. Would having a top draft S not be good for us? Even if he’s our third S this year. Three S are pretty needed anyway. Both S we have are in contract year also. 

Dude.... we got a 3rd, 1st and 2nd rounder in that trade....3 weeks before the draft.    You take that EVERY YEAR without hesitating.

You had your goal to make the playoffs.  Now you are arrogant enough to think a backup rookie ( that we knew was elite level as an NFL player in his first year) is going to cost a SB win?

Just stop dude....you gotta know when the more your talk, the worse it gets for you.  

Find one person to support you on this.  There is a reason you can't.  

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You have your opinion. You can’t argue that helped us this year. Not unless we use that draft ammo to trade now. So you really can’t get very upset if we fall just short this season. You don’t think we need anymore talent now. I want more than just that. I was really thinking we should have considered trading 2023 pick(s) for even another player this year. Top teams trade their future picks to get it done this season. Why couldn’t that be a thought? I would not be composing about two more first round talent players from the draft added THIS year. Not even selling out for a one year rental or anything …these guys will help for the future also.

Dude...you just wanted to make the playoffs...remember the rest of us debating the whole summer with you about " lowering the bar"     

Absolutely I am not going to be upset about anything.  My expectations for rookies is a lot lower than yours....especially for backups.  

You have pick 26 as elite in the 2022 draft...yet it seems pick 11 will suck next year?  Yet it's ironic that in 2022 there weren't any QBs to push good players back, but next year it seems consensus opinion is that QBs will go early and push some good players down the draft board?

I can't follow any of your logic when you don't even acknowledge the FULL trade...only one part of it.  

You have opinion..I'm bringing up facts.  

39 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Dude.... we got a 3rd, 1st and 2nd rounder in that trade....3 weeks before the draft.    You take that EVERY YEAR without hesitating.

You had your goal to make the playoffs.  Now you are arrogant enough to think a backup rookie ( that we knew was elite level as an NFL player in his first year) is going to cost a SB win?

Just stop dude....you gotta know when the more your talk, the worse it gets for you.  

Find one person to support you on this.  There is a reason you can't.  

Couldn’t find anybody to support me about Jalen Hurts being good. Now he’s third in MVP votes. You guys still trying to figure out how those draft picks are getting your QB. I’ll wait until you catch up.

18 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Couldn’t find anybody to support me about Jalen Hurts being good. Now he’s third in MVP votes. You guys still trying to figure out how those draft picks are getting your QB. I’ll wait until you catch up.

Again... your issues are being butt hurt about replacing the QB.  You lowered the bar for him.  The discussion was that if he was any good, that the team would be a top contender.   When mentioned 12 wins with a C- grade from Hurts....you were all upset. 

Yes the supporting cast around him is a top one...if not the absolute best in the league.  That QB should be an MVP candidate.   He has 12 TDs is 6 games...never seen before ...lol.  

But 2 things...

1.  Say the exact player you think is making this huge impact this year that you thought on April 4th was a must to draft.

2.   Tell me the details of the Dallas trade to where it compares to all the details of the Saints trade

What I think now..  you have been preparing for failure ...especially your boy Hurts to fail...and you are desperate for excuses other than it's going to be his fault. 

Just enjoy the season... if he gets a second contract in this league he would be considered a winner.  Let's see the full season play out.  You keep anticipating failure and finding excuses for him and the team. Why?

He is the QB1 as you say...part of it is taking on the responsibility of team failure even when it's not your fault.  He has the intangibles for it... who knows,maybe he wins?   Either way as an Eagles fan it's a good thing.

So we offered a third round pick for McCaffrey.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So we offered a third round pick for McCaffrey.

  They got a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and next year's 5th. No way would HR offer that for a player that spends more time off the field than on it. Maybe trade Sanders and a 3rd.... I would do that!

We gave cowboys 12 and a third to move to 10

Saints gave 18 and a third to move to 16

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We gave cowboys 12 and a third to move to 10

Saints gave 18 and a third to move to 16

Saints gave 18, 101, a 1st and a 2nd.    

The chart value to move up from 19 to 18.  The Eagles traded 194 for 237, which is less.

So then basically the Saints got pick 16.... for a 3rd, 1st and a 2nd.   

That's the reality of the trade.  

Absolutely  nothing like the Cowboys trade.  

4 minutes ago, stine said:

  They got a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and next year's 5th. No way would HR offer that for a player that spends more time off the field than on it. Maybe trade Sanders and a 3rd.... I would do that!

Yeah….Rosie always fishing around. You could possibly read into that a fair amount. Rosie didn’t want to really give up much in future picks or…that might have just been his door to look into others. Was it is that offered two 1s for Burns? Rosie will make some deal here. I don’t like the spending just to spend..but should be something out there he’ll dig up. Maybe a backup S. 

3 picks for 1.    No brainer for the Eagles to take advantage of the desperate Saints 3 weeks before the draft.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

The chart value to move up from 19 to 18.  The Eagles traded 194 for 237, which is less.

So then basically the Saints got pick 16.... for a 3rd, 1st and a 2nd.   

That's the reality of the trade.  

Absolutely  nothing like the Cowboys trade.  

It pretty much is exactly the Cowboys trade but opposite with the Saints moving up.

 Then that leaves pick 19 and a 6th rounder we gave them for 2023 1st and 2024 2nd

Wonder the trades Buffalo and KC are going to make.   I guess the idea is that the NFL is like baseball now with the trade deadline?   🤔 

56 minutes ago, stine said:

  They got a 2nd, 3rd, 4th and next year's 5th. No way would HR offer that for a player that spends more time off the field than on it. Maybe trade Sanders and a 3rd.... I would do that!

1 RB I totally like is Robinson from Texas. There is NO weakness in his game, he is a complete back, blocking also, but would Howie use his first pick on a RB? Seems unlikely and the kid is only going to get better. Someone is going to get a great back

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

QBs will go early and push some good players down the draft board?

Exactly why I would be fine trading back from 4(or whatever) a few spots. Those guys will be there as teams scramble for QB's (decent class this time). Trade back 2,3 spots and pick up whatever else you can seems like a no brainer and pick 32 (lol) is still in round 1 😁

RB Blake Corum, Michigan 

Over the last five games, Corum is averaging 147.4 rushing yards and 2.2 touchdowns, leading the nation’s ninth-ranked rushing attack. He’s only gotten better as the year has gone on. 

QB Hendon Hooker, Tennessee 

Tennessee coach Josh Heupel should just carry Hooker’s stats around with him on recruiting visits. He has developed the fifth-year senior into one of the nation’s premier quarterbacks. 

QB C.J. Stroud, Ohio State 

Entering this weekend, Iowa’s defense had allowed three passing touchdowns all year. Stroud threw four against them in one afternoon. 

What do you think? Post a comment.

QB Caleb Williams, USC 

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It’s stat-padding season for Williams, USC facing three of the weaker teams in the Pac-12 over the next three weeks before the UCLA showdown on Nov. 19. 

QB Bryce Young, Alabama 

It feels like Young has somehow become underrated. In his college career, he has thrown 66 touchdown passes and just 10 interceptions while accumulating a 19-3 record. It doesn’t get better. 

My "undraftable" trash QB is now on the Heisman watch list-(ooops 😆). I'm rather surprised Robinson (RB Texas) is not. Smith Njinga(WR OSU) should be on this list too IMO. IDK much about the QB from USC,think he falls away soon. So suffice to say next draft there should be 4 QB's in the top 10-12,so we are in a sweet spot picking at 4,5,6

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2023/consensus-big-board-2023?pos=QB   My "undraftable" will go higher than 19th-book it