22 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Stine.    The 2nd round pick is 2024... not next draft...not the same draft as the 1st round pick.

Still a great trade though.... we traded 194 for 237 as the cost of moving up from 19 to 18.   Then got 3 good picks for #16.   Every team would jump on that, the Saints were desperate and we took advantage.

I KNOW. I EDITED THAT POST...

Wow, just saw the score from last night, unreal! Needless to say they're not too happy up here. It could help our 1st pick in the long run.

As for using future picks in trades this yr, why not? We have 10 contracts coming up with no way to hold on to everyone. White and Gardner would be my main targets for extensions. Although I'd want him to stay, Bradberry may be too expensive. Don't know what Sanders is going to do. Haven't seen a lot of Sermon, what little there was I liked but at 34 I could see us going with another big back. Need a good DE to improve our pass rush as well.

My bad, Sermon's only 23, duh! Getting dyslexic in my old age. So RB could still be targeted as Sanderss may not be here next yr. He's only 25, I just don't like paying RB's exorbitant amounts of money. 

3 hours ago, stine said:

He may use pick 29-32 for a RB....

Robinson won't last until then. I will look at some others where the value could be. We barely use RB's because Hurts runs on his own and cuts them out

3 hours ago, stine said:

Well we may be able to trade back 2-3 spots and grab a 2nd rounder also for 2022 or 2023, depending on what Howie wants to do. I am all for that.

yeah thats what I said LOL,we could actually trade back and still get Robinson. he is a complete back and NFL ready to go. Of course since we hardly use RB's he would have tread life in Philly until he is 55 years old lol. Love the kid,just don't see Howie using his first pick on a RB

43 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

My bad, Sermon's only 23, duh! Getting dyslexic in my old age. So RB could still be targeted as Sanderss may not be here next yr. He's only 25, I just don't like paying RB's exorbitant amounts of money. 

With the RBBC and the fact we barely use our RB's no sense in it,just draft one every other/3 years, that way you always have guy on rookie salary(assuming you make the correct picks). 

https://www.nfldraftbuzz.com/Player/Mohamed-Ibrahim-RB-Minnesota  Watched him play a few times. Not flashy, but he will bang. Needs work on his pass catching game but seems to me to be a decent blocker,which we value and he should be a later pick mid 4-early 5 would be my guess. but he would be fine in the RBBC we use

I'm not thinking about next year....but, it's been my idea for a few years now that the DL is going to need an overhaul.    I think Kelce and Lane getting up there will make them think about OL too.    

Finally the WRs are set for a few years, so I don't think we look there early.   But I'm thinking they go DL and OL next year... I'm not sure they invest in RB in the first 2 rounds... next year.  Especially with a RB by committee approach. 

A bit off topic but it looks like my grandson is getting his first D1 start this Saturday

1 hour ago, Asg 15 said:

A bit off topic but it looks like my grandson is getting his first D1 start this Saturday

Sweet

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I think Kelce and Lane getting up there

Well that's why we need to think about next year. Although we have a nice secondary(finally) those guys are getting up there too,but I think Howies formula now is to snag those guys in FA

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sweet

He admits to being a bit nervous but that'll fade with his first block

Or catch

2 hours ago, joemas6 said:

I'm not thinking about next year....but, it's been my idea for a few years now that the DL is going to need an overhaul.    I think Kelce and Lane getting up there will make them think about OL too.    

Finally the WRs are set for a few years, so I don't think we look there early.   But I'm thinking they go DL and OL next year... I'm not sure they invest in RB in the first 2 rounds... next year.  Especially with a RB by committee approach. 

I think they may have their center already on the team.

They do have to look for a RT though

22 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

I think they may have their center already on the team.

They do have to look for a RT though

They also like depth there...  it's how they think.   I just don't see RB over the line of scrimmage with the way they seem to think in the draft.  

I think they look for the guy who will play next to Davis long term... and probably another pass rusher too.   They probably lose Seamulo and Dillard on top of having Kelce and Lane getting up in years, they like that pipeline on the OL.   Anyway, I think they look to address those spots first.

57 minutes ago, Asg 15 said:

He admits to being a bit nervous but that'll fade with his first block

Or catch

Just tell him EVERY guy has his first snap

13 hours ago, stine said:

  So, you would have rather drafted an unproven Olave, instead of an All Star WR who has history with Hurts and in only 3 years older? I am not sure of this reasoning at all. Why are you upset about this when everyone else thinks it was a great trade? You keep talking about getting Hurts help, so when they get him probably the best option at WR, you think it is a terrible deal?

I loved the trade. Think I’m the one that went crazy the most when it happened. Feels like Hurts bailed us out of that situation. FA didn’t work out at the position. But also saw the need for the trade because we let the Saints start a WR run…by trading up again. I more just would have preferred keeping all our three first rounders. My idea was trade back 19 to 26ish though instead. Pick up a third rounder at least for that. I also would have liked to go even further. Trade draft picks from 2023 to add even more this year. Picks this year still help next and after also.

  You and No Mas looking at the trade one way ….I’m looking at it another. Guess everybody gets their opinions. We just traded up two spots last year with the Cowboys in the first. Not sure why using that comparison is wrong. We traded back two spots this time. Price should be nearly the same, right? Figured it was an easy enough reference for everybody since our team was involved and it was just last season.

13 hours ago, stine said:

  First, we do not know what that pick will be, but it most likely be at minimum top 10 pick. Right now it stands at Number 4. Remember, we also get the Saints 2nd round pick in 2024 Tell me that will not help this team out moving forward. Remember, HR signed a couple players to allow us to compete this year until we were able to draft help next year.

So will draft picks of 2022 help going forward in those years also?

But that’s what I’ve said the whole…even before we made the trade. The whole goal was to trade with a team that gets a top ten pick. We all debated the idea of trading a pick away since it was widely rumored we would. But the expected bad teams that should get high picks wouldn’t  trade their 2023 first rounder away. So we had to find that team that was in denial…thought they were better than they were. I would say the Saints fitting that bill as well as anyone there. Really not happy if it isn’t tomorrow ten. In my eyes, us giving them 2022 nineteen for 2023 close to nineteen….isn’t a good deal however you slice the rest of the picks in the trade. For me we picked up a 2024 second rounder. Makes plenty of sense to look at the trade that way to me, agree or not. I don’t see how you couldn’t understand my viewpoint on the trade. We just did 12 for 10 with the Cowboys in 2021 for a third. Why would it be crazy to equal that to 18 for 16? That’s a third round pick to move up two.

12 hours ago, stine said:

What about the First next year and Dean, who we got on that trade?

Yes we gave up 19 for first next year (I assumed you understood) and a second in 2024. My idea, I’ll repeat again was to trade back 19 to 26ish. That would gain us a third rounder I’d think. So there you go. You guts have a different way of seeing the trade. Not what I see. That’s fine. But not sure how you can just ignore my point of view. Fairly simple and easy based on what we just did the draft before.

We moved up two the year before and paid a third. Why can’t you guys consider we get the same compensation from the Saints just slight later in the first round? Moving from 12 or 18. ….slightly less…but really close gauge I think.

We gave up a sixth in that trade also. They added in a seventh. Small potato part of that trade…but just having picks to be able to deal sometimes is valuable.

11 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

Wow, just saw the score from last night, unreal! Needless to say they're not too happy up here. It could help our 1st pick in the long run.

As for using future picks in trades this yr, why not? We have 10 contracts coming up with no way to hold on to everyone. White and Gardner would be my main targets for extensions. Although I'd want him to stay, Bradberry may be too expensive. Don't know what Sanders is going to do. Haven't seen a lot of Sermon, what little there was I liked but at 34 I could see us going with another big back. Need a good DE to improve our pass rush as well.

That’s kind of what I was thinking. Rams and many teams while contending trade future picks to aid them. Not like draftees now don’t help in 2023 and 2024 also. They just won’t be rookies. But now it’s trade deadline time and talk. So now we are considering those options. White and Gardner-Johnson fit real nice in our D. Problem is looking like all these pending FA we have are upping their value. So gotta compare salary demands between the options. Epps is first on my list. Think he can be signed at a reasonable rate and he earned it playing for us really really cheap as a starter. So to me…he’s the right guy to do first. Too bad we didn’t clear the cap before more to keep this team together. 

9 hours ago, mjkline1958 said:

My bad, Sermon's only 23, duh! Getting dyslexic in my old age. So RB could still be targeted as Sanderss may not be here next yr. He's only 25, I just don't like paying RB's exorbitant amounts of money. 

Hard to really say what Sanders will cost. Think him more than anybody we need to see the longest. He really beefed up nicely this year. Durability and work load levels per game are factors. I keep considering how he only played one year in college because he was behind the workhorse Barkley. So his milage is about as low as possible….because we’ve used him in committee and sparingly. Think this was by design to consider resigning him. Pretty much the opposite of what Dallas did with Elliott. He was used massively in college…then as a rookie. They gave him bank and he already looks like the tread coming off the tires.

I keep thinking Sanders doesn’t look to break the bank at very top RB market price. He brings much more than just an average back to the table with his carries however. So I think keeping Sanders is still a possibility. We won’t pay him like Zeke….don’t see that. If he can’t show he can play most all of the season I doubt we keep him either. I’m looking for value signings of our contract players. How much tread the players have left, how high their expectations are for worth versus how good a player they show to be.

Really gotta consider upcoming(this year and offseason) expected FA and Trade possibilities. Considering the draft options. We also mentioned I’m considering the compensatory picks. I believe the plan is we could be loading up on 2024 compensatory picks by losing high paid FA and not adding any ourselves. So balancing the whole team roster questions here.