No Mas, it looks very much to me I was proven right. I wasn’t butt hurt about the picks for a QB. I knew it wasn’t needed. I was way way ahead of you.

The way I see it you were all very wrong. You guys kept reaching for a draft QB in 2023. Does it look like we need to trade everything for a top QB now?

I was the only one looking at the most accurate picture of the trade. So yeah, I’ve been the one least happy about it.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Why can’t I look at the trade my way? I’m saying we got the Saints slightly better than we paid ourselves the draft before. We went 12 to 10. Paid a third. They went 18 to 16 ….paid a third. Why is this a wrong way of looking at this part? 

Explain why I can’t see it my way?

Because we didn't go from number to number with the Dallas trade....we went after a specific player who was set to go to another team, our division rival.  We gave up 1 pick.   The Saints gave up 3 picks.    It's not anyone's way of " looking" at a trade.  

I have 3 things that I am giving you for one thing.   That is fact, there is no other way to look at anything.   

Here is one team assets... 5 picks...  here was the other teams assets...3 picks.      You can easily see where 194 and 19 were given for 237 and 18.   That was the 2 for 2 swap that we won with slightly higher value.  The rest of the trade was 3 for 1.   3rd, 1st and 2nd for a current year 1st.   

Upside down,  sideways, backward...etc...it's just 5 numbers vs 3 numbers.   It's an exchange of assets that doesn't change regardless of how you spin it.

The Saints were desperate to go all in for this year and we knew the 2 targeted positions of WR and OL.   This dumb idea that it's all they needed.  They overpaid for that reason and Howie took advantage. 

If i had to guess for next year... they look to trade down a few spots to a team desperate to get a QB.   Then they look to trade out of the 1st round with their own pick, in order to pick up multiple assets that could include another future 1st or possibly a couple of 2nd rounders plus more.  

I think they would jump on those trades if they were offered weeks prior to the draft. 

One of main points has been to build up this young team and let them gel and experience together. So yeah, guys can’t be developing with all each other while waiting to be picked a year or two later

You are just hiding from my question. Sure their were plenty of picks involved. But it doesn’t change how I broke it down. 18 to 16….what’s that cost?

We paid a third to move 12 to 10

Trading for a specific player…that’s all nice…but the trade value is there. 

At this point now...I can see the Saints going 6-11.  I'm hope it's worse.   But with more of these teams seemingly hanging around .500... that could easily mean they stay around pick 5.   

The trade that was offered in reality could get better by the week.   We can speculate on other potential trades,  but to act like it could have been 100% guaranteed to get done...I think is BS. 

Wish list is different from reality.  Too many variables to pass up an offer from the Saints like that. 

See ….I don’t know about looking to trade down either. If somebody comes with a huge offer of coarse. But you have QBs going 1,2….maybe 3….then you have the best athletes on the board waiting for you. Why trade back and back away from a Bosa or Watt? You too busy trying to win the draft wars

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Because we didn't go from number to number with the Dallas trade....we went after a specific player who was set to go to another team, our division rival.  We gave up 1 pick.   The Saints gave up 3 picks.    It's not anyone's way of " looking" at a trade.  

I have 3 things that I am giving you for one thing.   That is fact, there is no other way to look at anything.   

Here is one team assets... 5 picks...  here was the other teams assets...3 picks.      You can easily see where 194 and 19 were given for 237 and 18.   That was the 2 for 2 swap that we won with slightly higher value.  The rest of the trade was 3 for 1.   3rd, 1st and 2nd for a current year 1st.   

Upside down,  sideways, backward...etc...it's just 5 numbers vs 3 numbers.   It's an exchange of assets that doesn't change regardless of how you spin it.

The Saints were desperate to go all in for this year and we knew the 2 targeted positions of WR and OL.   This dumb idea that it's all they needed.  They overpaid for that reason and Howie took advantage. 

If i had to guess for next year... they look to trade down a few spots to a team desperate to get a QB.   Then they look to trade out of the 1st round with their own pick, in order to pick up multiple assets that could include another future 1st or possibly a couple of 2nd rounders plus more.  

I think they would jump on those trades if they were offered weeks prior to the draft. 

I loved that Howie rolled us an extra 1 this yeah,because noone could say for certain Hurts was our QB. Howie set up "the twins" in CASE we had to go after a QB. I thught it was brilliant because a) you can move up for your QB if Hurts sucked or b) if Hurts worked out we can keep those extra1's rolling on until we DO need a QB,all while picking up extra picks

Good move if we were desperate for a QB in the draft, maybe. Take the 2024 two and both first rounders in 2023. Maybe even the 2024 first to get up in to grab your guy.

The bidding war will be extreme to get to the top QBs.

No guarantees the top teams will wish to even trade those QBs

Not many real crap teams can afford to not go franchise QB.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

You are just hiding from my question. Sure their were plenty of picks involved. But it doesn’t change how I broke it down. 18 to 16….what’s that cost?

We paid a third to move 12 to 10

Trading for a specific player…that’s all nice…but the trade value is there. 

But the trade value for a specific player that was targeted by your division rival... it's different.  

He'll you can judge every trade by the idiot Chicago trade they made for Tribusky.   

But if you are asking me 3 weeks before the draft what would it take to go from 18 to 16....I would probably sat a 4th.   Moving 2 slots ... the further down the draft board has less value.  12 to 10 is different than 18 to 16...which is different than 28 to 26 , which is different than 38 to 36. 

For pick 16 we got pick 101, another 1st, and a 2nd.     2 extra picks.  With Howie betting on the Saints not being good... which is making the trade look even better.

We know the draft is a crap shoot with " misses " all the time.  For you to trust that this one pick was going to be such a hit over 3 picks... which could turn out to be even more (let's not forget this part of it)  I think that's not wise knowing the draft selections of this regime. 

How many picks would it take if your the Texans GM to give up your top QB in this draft? They just can’t do it.

I’ve didn’t like making the trade with the Saints. Only way it even works for me is if it’s top ten

Let me remind you all how excited everyone was about Miami first round pick. So sure it would be so high for a long time last season. Then they went on a winning streak and it moved to the middle.

You guys locked in on the Saints at their low right now. Be great if it stays. But so early in the season. I can’t remotely get that excited about it staying this high.

6 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I loved that Howie rolled us an extra 1 this yeah,because noone could say for certain Hurts was our QB. Howie set up "the twins" in CASE we had to go after a QB. I thught it was brilliant because a) you can move up for your QB if Hurts sucked or b) if Hurts worked out we can keep those extra1's rolling on until we DO need a QB,all while picking up extra picks

I think the QB part is irrelevant...except for the fact we all know it's why Ham can't seem to understand things.   We have too many old guys, the draft is fir your future...to trust a rookie to make a big difference isn't smart.  They need so many pieces after this year is done, especially DL.  You need draft assets, as much as possible.  That's why it's a no brainer.

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

No guarantees the top teams will wish to even trade those QBs

Not many real crap teams can afford to not go franchise QB.

Agree... it's why I think we can get phenomenal value in a trade from one of those desperate teams.

To me the it stands at we gave 19 in 2022 for Saints one in 2023. So we really lose out the closer it gets to 19. We lose a year of a young guy developing with these coaches and team. 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think the QB part is irrelevant...except for the fact we all know it's why Ham can't seem to understand things.   We have too many old guys, the draft is fir your future...to trust a rookie to make a big difference isn't smart.  They need so many pieces after this year is done, especially DL.  You need draft assets, as much as possible.  That's why it's a no brainer.

You think we draft assets. I think we need players.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Let me remind you all how excited everyone was about Miami first round pick. So sure it would be so high for a long time last season. Then they went on a winning streak and it moved to the middle.

Was a great trade regardless.  So will the Saints trade.  Even at 11... could easily turn into more picks or a great non QB falling due to these teams being so desperate for a QB 

So why can’t a guy drafted in 2022 be a young piece going forward? Why is 2023…2024 better?

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

To me the it stands at we gave 19 in 2022 for Saints one in 2023. So we really lose out the closer it gets to 19. We lose a year of a young guy developing with these coaches and team. 

You think we draft assets. I think we need players.

Yes...players...the s at the end is the key.... multiple players! 

We gave 19 to move up to 18...  pick 16 is the asset that was traded for everything else.   

That part of the math doesn't change with spin. 

I’m not butt hurt about the thought of drafting a QB with draft ammo in 2023. I was just the only guy that already saw our franchise landscape. I already knew Hurts would improve and was a strong leader. I was right

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes...players...the s at the end is the key.... multiple players! 

We gave 19 to move up to 18...  pick 16 is the asset that was traded for everything else.   

That part of the math doesn't change with spin. 

Why does moving from 18 to 16 not equal a third then? What’s the price? Just for that part.

And it was pick 16 ...for a 3rd, a 1st and a 2nd.    That part doesn't change either.   3 for 1.   With the very real chance that 3 turns into more.  Let's hope these  teams are desperate for QBs.   

12 to 10 cost a third. So what’s 18 to 16? Gotta be real close.

I think it’s become very clear I’ve made a valid point with the way you are ditching the question. 
 

 What’s 18 to 16 cost?