Said earlier I'd like to bring McLeod back, better than Wallace was in relief when Gardner went out

4 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Well yeah, picks and where they are, some players which I get more from watching college games. Draft order changes weekly

No matter who we take,you stated we would have 2 round 1 picks and if we can move back and get our guy we will get more which is what you said you wanted. Moving back from 4 to 6 will get us something extra no matter who we have targeted if we pick at 4. besides that we have no idea what that pick will be,so far it is on track to be pick 4 

And teams will be scrambling to make crazy deals to move up for a QB. Pick 4 is basically your last shot at one of the top 3 QB's,so look at who needs a QB and where they pick and you will find your rape candidate

And if you value a player then take him. But we all know HR, so we'll be moving all over the place.

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Think we can clearly say the decision two different times to pay for Barnett the last two seasons was unwise

I think for sure they thought they could trade him instead of keeping that contract.   Best season was rookie year...regardless of how well he played, the fact he was drafted 1st round put the other DL on notice and they stepped up their games.   That's what I expect from the Quinn move too.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Development staff is all new too. Siri supposedly the WR whisperer….as his forte.

But he’s been drafting plenty of WR

Drafted Smith.... who else since Siri was here?

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I believe he just thinks too much instead of letting it rip. Seemed like here he was considering which guy he was looking at in the progression before throwing. Injuries. Turn overs. Think it all adds up to a delay. Gunshy. Let’s let it rip more. But he just never throws a ball away and lives for another down. He sack fumbles.

I think that he is the guy that likes to allow the play to develop.  It worked in 2017... rewatch those games and you would be like...wow, great play not rushing to get rid of the ball... that works for a winning team... for the scrub teams  he has played with since...throwing ball away to avoid a sack.... might look better for him...but not going to win anything.   

Do you play to win...or do you play to where you just don't want it to be your fault.    For years I felt McNabb would be afraid to push the envelope on plays and was just ok with settling for " atleast its not my fault" 

Do you feel Washington would have won if Wentz threw 5 balls away instead of taking sacks on 3rd down?  I don't.   But it's irrelevant.  The only QB I'm focusing on is Hurts.   

Indy and Washington both suck, not Wentz fault.   Eagles are good... and it's more than just a QB who averages 2 TDs per game.  

At this point... no reason why the #1 seed isn't the Eagles.  2 home playoff games and the SB. That should be the bar.   Anything less is failure.    But to a fan, that should be exciting.  Failure to make SB is better than considering 9 wins a success.   

53 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

And if you value a player then take him. But we all know HR, so we'll be moving all over the place.

I hope we do,get the guys we want whatever you need to do. 2 nice drafts in a row(after a series of MEH) Can he do it again?

1 hour ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’m still expecting to hit some serious bumps in the road. We still need to grow and adapt. Think a few of these clever defensive minds have some ideas on what to do against us. I have some specific ideas on how I’d play us. So we still need to add to the arsenal.

Agree...force the QB left and press the WRs...while run blitzing.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Agree...force the QB left and press the WRs...while run blitzing.

Why I would really like a true RT drafted,not a "well he can play RT,LG or whatever".....need to locate another PB RT not 5 BU's and not a converted LT' or RG's,why I like Jones from OSU in round 2(but' it's early yet) He has played RT his whole career

30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think for sure they thought they could trade him instead of keeping that contract.   Best season was rookie year...regardless of how well he played, the fact he was drafted 1st round put the other DL on notice and they stepped up their games.   That's what I expect from the Quinn move too.

Drafted Smith.... who else since Siri was here?

Siri is whispering(4 yards and 8 YAC-GO!!!) lol

36 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think for sure they thought they could trade him instead of keeping that contract.   Best season was rookie year...regardless of how well he played, the fact he was drafted 1st round put the other DL on notice and they stepped up their games.   That's what I expect from the Quinn move too.

Drafted Smith.... who else since Siri was here?

Barnett still has many years he can play. Came in really young. 

1 hour ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

OK so he is 32,we will ride him into the sunset this year if we have to. Maybe we give him another short contract because he will be in rotation and theoretically not take as many snaps as he took in Chicago. Jury is out on that,but at the very least he gives us depth we may need in post season and why I will still opt for a young stud edge in the next draft(doesn't have to be our first pick but we will be sitting pretty to take murphy)

Heck no we aren’t keeping him

So many contract year players. But if he dies sign fir enough it will go towards the compensatory pick formula we are loaded up on.

7 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Siri is whispering(4 yards and 8 YAC-GO!!!) lol

That is kind of what he preaches. Hit the playmaker in stride so he can get YAC. Think that’s the simplest version of explaining Siri’s O

30 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I think that he is the guy that likes to allow the play to develop.  It worked in 2017... rewatch those games and you would be like...wow, great play not rushing to get rid of the ball... that works for a winning team... for the scrub teams  he has played with since...throwing ball away to avoid a sack.... might look better for him...but not going to win anything.   

Do you play to win...or do you play to where you just don't want it to be your fault.    For years I felt McNabb would be afraid to push the envelope on plays and was just ok with settling for " atleast its not my fault" 

Do you feel Washington would have won if Wentz threw 5 balls away instead of taking sacks on 3rd down?  I don't.   But it's irrelevant.  The only QB I'm focusing on is Hurts.   

Indy and Washington both suck, not Wentz fault.   Eagles are good... and it's more than just a QB who averages 2 TDs per game.  

At this point... no reason why the #1 seed isn't the Eagles.  2 home playoff games and the SB. That should be the bar.   Anything less is failure.    But to a fan, that should be exciting.  Failure to make SB is better than considering 9 wins a success.   

Indy makes the playoffs last year if just doesn’t blow it. Just ride the top RB in the league. 2017 Wentz…made one slight appearance at the end of 2019 fir like two games. Guys been broken since. The missing intangibles….the missing leadership of nfl players…you would think he would have been reeled in by getting benched and dumped. Nah, guy is done…unless he lets his ego go and changes his game.

Throwing the ball away sure helps when it’s the best option. Live to fight another play. Instead he holds it….sack fumbles…or loses ten yards. 3rd and twenty isn’t winning football. But he has the arm to throw it twenty yards. Takes more than that though.

McNabb seemed to be drilled into him to not turn the ball over. That less risky balls can be winning football. Then at the end you do whatever the last drive to win. McNabb threw everything low…to not get intercepted. Killed YAC. But not usually tipped up or sailing over WR to get picked.

33 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Why I would really like a true RT drafted,not a "well he can play RT,LG or whatever".....need to locate another PB RT not 5 BU's and not a converted LT' or RG's,why I like Jones from OSU in round 2(but' it's early yet) He has played RT his whole career

Out at the bar tonight...conversation...Eagles fans spoiled with OL.  No team has the backup level players we have on OL...yet fans still complain. 

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Out at the bar tonight...conversation...Eagles fans spoiled with OL.  No team has the backup level players we have on OL...yet fans still complain. 

Lane won't last forever. BU's are BU's

26 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

So many contract year players. But if he dies sign fir enough it will go towards the compensatory pick formula we are loaded up on.

That is kind of what he preaches. Hit the playmaker in stride so he can get YAC. Think that’s the simplest version of explaining Siri’s O

I think he does that due to his QB.   Hurts IMO might be best Philly QB I've seen ( only go back to Jaws) as fat as throwing a 3 yard pass and hitting dude in stride.  

I'm sure a Hurts stan will take that as an insult....but I'm serious in saying Cunningham, McNabb, Vick, Wentz...for all their physical gifts throwing the ball.. all disappointed me in making the simple throw a HS QB can make.    It's frustrating seeing a WR slow down and be forced to catch the pass and be tackled right away, when the opportunity was there to make a simple throw and get a decent gain.   Hurts is very consistent on those slants and bubble screens that allow his WR to gain extra yards.    Foles probably the closest of the recent Eagles QBs on those plays. 

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Lane won't last forever. BU's are BU's

Eagles BUs are better than others though....that's the point.  Our fans can be greedy there.  A Tampa fan was talking about his C being out and the huge impact.   We get 2 or 3 guys missing and we don't miss a beat.   It took 2020 catastrophic stuff for our OL to be bad.

31 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Indy makes the playoffs last year if just doesn’t blow it. Just ride the top RB in the league. 2017 Wentz…made one slight appearance at the end of 2019 fir like two games. Guys been broken since. The missing intangibles….the missing leadership of nfl players…you would think he would have been reeled in by getting benched and dumped. Nah, guy is done…unless he lets his ego go and changes his game.

Indy sucks... they make the playoffs if their kicker doesn't miss 2 chip shots vs Baltimore and their D gives up 4 TDs in like 7 minutes.    

But who cares....for us we had a crao team in 2019 .. and made the playoffs....why was that?   Not because Greg Ward was our #1 WR.   Takes a team to win.  Indy and Washington probably the 2 worst owners.   They ain't going anywhere anytime soon. 

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

I think he does that due to his QB.   Hurts IMO might be best Philly QB I've seen ( only go back to Jaws) as fat as throwing a 3 yard pass and hitting dude in stride.  

I'm sure a Hurts stan will take that as an insult....but I'm serious in saying Cunningham, McNabb, Vick, Wentz...for all their physical gifts throwing the ball.. all disappointed me in making the simple throw a HS QB can make.    It's frustrating seeing a WR slow down and be forced to catch the pass and be tackled right away, when the opportunity was there to make a simple throw and get a decent gain.   Hurts is very consistent on those slants and bubble screens that allow his WR to gain extra yards.    Foles probably the closest of the recent Eagles QBs on those plays. 

He was preaching that before he got here. While Wentz was still here also. So YAC philosophy is good football. Get the ball in your playmakers hands …so they can make a play. So I call BS that’s because of Hurts.

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

Eagles BUs are better than others though....that's the point.  Our fans can be greedy there.  A Tampa fan was talking about his C being out and the huge impact.   We get 2 or 3 guys missing and we don't miss a beat.   It took 2020 catastrophic stuff for our OL to be bad.

We invest in our Oline as much as anybody. Starts with the Oline coach. So we do go all out to have things start up front. But think you might have a little bit of homer fan thing going with the Oline. You just don’t follow all these other teams to know any of their players. Other teams that is. Peters wasn’t that great for many of his last years here. Brooks wasn’t either. All Pro level players at their best. But you get stuck there like that’s how they perform every play every year. Kind if like how you got stuck on Wentz. You saw a bunch of ONE season him being on fire. So you try and apply that to being his career. Game doesn’t work like that. It’s completely unforgiving. All that actually matters is that next play. Hall of Famer or Practice Squad…did you make the block this play. 

3 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Eagles BUs are better than others though....that's the point.  Our fans can be greedy there.  A Tampa fan was talking about his C being out and the huge impact.   We get 2 or 3 guys missing and we don't miss a beat.   It took 2020 catastrophic stuff for our OL to be bad.

We struggle when Lane is out,thus, we need to draft a guy with his caliber. All the BU's in the world don't add up to a pro bowler.I'm not spoiled,Just once we are on top,I would like to stay there more than 1 week after the SB. Runner up is the first loser. if we lose the SB and Lane retires,we're going to need someone that plays at his level or we're going to end up back with the "JP BS syndrome". let's avoid that and get a young stud RT in here

36 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We struggle when Lane is out,thus, we need to draft a guy with his caliber. All the BU's in the world don't add up to a pro bowler.I'm not spoiled,Just once we are on top,I would like to stay there more than 1 week after the SB. Runner up is the first loser. if we lose the SB and Lane retires,we're going to need someone that plays at his level or we're going to end up back with the "JP BS syndrome". let's avoid that and get a young stud RT in here

2 things....  

1.  Good luck drafting anyone of Lane's caliber.   Best RT on the game for years now. The NFL game ot the SEC.

2.   Who do we struggle against ? Parsons?   Every team struggles against him with their starters in there.  

Conclusion... hard to have pro bowl level backups.  We have guys that could start for more than half the league as backups.  We are spoiled with that.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We invest in our Oline as much as anybody. Starts with the Oline coach. So we do go all out to have things start up front. But think you might have a little bit of homer fan thing going with the Oline. You just don’t follow all these other teams to know any of their players. Other teams that is. Peters wasn’t that great for many of his last years here. Brooks wasn’t either. All Pro level players at their best. But you get stuck there like that’s how they perform every play every year. Kind if like how you got stuck on Wentz. You saw a bunch of ONE season him being on fire. So you try and apply that to being his career. Game doesn’t work like that. It’s completely unforgiving. All that actually matters is that next play. Hall of Famer or Practice Squad…did you make the block this play. 

Who can lose 3 guys on their OL and still perform above average as an NFL OL.   

We invest in our OL?    All of our OL are homegrown. Lane is a 1st round pick... Dickerson is a 2nd rounder... Seamulo a 3rd.... Kelce a 6th... Mailata a 7th.     

I mean I guess Dillard ... not like he has played much.  Who else was a big investment?

How many picks were used on Stoutland?   How much does he count against the cap?

I'm not stuck on anything... I think you just can't give any credit to anything in the Eagles organization except for Hurts???    It's the best OL in the league, according to every expert opinion.  They lose 3 guys and they more than hold their own.  That's results... that's not being stuck.  

Being stuck is trying to spin a 5 for 3 trade... where you don't acknowledge all the pieces involved.   Being stuck is living in a hypothetical world.  Reality is the Eagles have the best OL... and pretty much the best 10 guys that surround a QB.  

15 hours ago, Crazy Legs said:

I confirm the pattern that the Eagles have exhibited over the last 20 years, with the lone 2nd round gamble taken on a highly rated prospect. However, I also recall that the Eagles had 2 Pro Bowl veteran cornerbacks when they drafted 3 defensive backs in the first 2 rounds in 2002. Two years later, they started in the Super Bowl. It's not written in stone that they won't draft DB early, if the need is apparent. Prior to this year, we've been applying band-aids until we lucked upon Bradberry.  Oh yes, almost forgot Malcom Jenkins also. He solidified our backfield in another Super Bowl.

BTW, I go back at least 15 years...when Tom Lawler used to entertain us with his outstanding knowledge of the college draft prospects.

Malcom Jenkins was a trade, not a draft choice. Not sure why you included him to make your point...?