1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Right...  forced at WR.  Unless you think there weren't other players between the level of JJ and Reagor?    They forced WR without a doubt....taking the wrong guy was the second part of the decision.  I don't think Smith was forced, I think they just liked him best at that spot.  I don't think Davis was forced, they just liked him...same with Dickerson and the C they took this year. 

Now I'm not saying that selecting JJ wouldn't have been worth forcing WR... I'm just saying it's obvious the main part of Reagor being the choice was his position....I really can't believe that they thought Reagor was better than all the other players at every other position too?  Do you?  

Hindsight and WR was a need that draft,really cannot deny that. if we had selected JJ,then Smith,we probably would not have done the AJ deal(assuming they both panned out). So things happen and you do what you can,but WR really was the pick that draft. But as you said we had many needs that draft,but you have to start somewhere and JJ was the pick. At least he was for me that year

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sounds like a plan, because we signed AJ for 4 years,so that fits into the big picture. Smith will still be on rook pay so will Davis. If we can nail this draft and at least do "ok" in the '24 draft we should be alot younger where paying Hurts won't be so bad. I'm seeing how Howies machine works and how the cogs get replaced without stopping the machine. I'm no contract whiz,but I can see how things fit together better now. I also mentioned long ago Howie needed to lose his '"go picks" and I believe he has done that. I believe he is taking other peoples opinion in and not trying to outsmart everyone(including himself). The last 2 drafts have been terrific

Hurts will never be a top cap hit at his position...regardless of how much he gets paid...Howie will set it up like that.  Wentz would have been same way, his dead money for one year was where it jumped, they would have redone the deal that offseason if he was the guy going forward,  instead they traded the one year big cap hit for the draft capital and moved on.

With Hurts, I see the same, but Howie probably sets it up where any dead cap hit wouldn't be as much.  

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I really can't believe that they thought Reagor was better than all the other players at every other position too?  Do you?  

They got (well Howie did) hooked on the SPEED. He was the faster guy and he went for that lone aspect. he wasn't looking at the position as a whole. We lacked outside speed and I guess he thought that was the fix. Everyone on the planet except Howie and Ham had JJ already penciled in. I was so mad and the Vikes war room went ballistic

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Hurts will never be a top cap hit at his position

No,but keeper QB's are always the highest paid position a team has

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

traded the one year big cap hit for the draft capital and moved on.

Well unlike Ham, I would rather "rip the band-aid off" than do a slow pull for 3 years. Your going to take a hit either way.may as well get it over with

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Hindsight and WR was a need that draft,really cannot deny that. if we had selected JJ,then Smith,we probably would not have done the AJ deal(assuming they both panned out). So things happen and you do what you can,but WR really was the pick that draft. But as you said we had many needs that draft,but you have to start somewhere and JJ was the pick. At least he was for me that year

Have many needs every draft IMO.   You need to stay young everywhere.   I don't think you draft a rookie and think it fixes anything for that one year.  

This is the mistake the Saints made.  Olave and the rookie OL I'm sure can be great players over time...not exactly impacting much this year.  

While WR was a need...forcing it makes it easier to miss on the pick.  Why limit yourself.  One wrong evaluation in thinking Reagor over JJ and its disaster.  The mindset of eliminating all the other players because they aren't a WR, I don't like that. 

My reasoning... say JJ went right before us...then even if they had Reagor behind JJ...and you were in charge.  Then your strategy would have been " well I wanted JJ, so I will settle for Reagor now because I need to pick WR"     I don't like that.  It's not WR was the pick...it's that JJ was the pick. If not JJ, should have been a player at another position.   Unless you think there was another WR after JJ that was a better choice than everyone else too?

Besides alot of the positions we needed that draft,IMO JJ was also the BPA. Anyway, that's the past, we have 9 more games to win and I'm loving this team we have. And you can bash me but I still would like to see Hurts accuracy on long balls. but we can't see that because we don't throw any

5 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

They got (well Howie did) hooked on the SPEED. He was the faster guy and he went for that lone aspect. he wasn't looking at the position as a whole. We lacked outside speed and I guess he thought that was the fix. Everyone on the planet except Howie and Ham had JJ already penciled in. I was so mad and the Vikes war room went ballistic

No,but keeper QB's are always the highest paid position a team has

Again... we agree. JJ better than Reagor.  Forget that part.  Pretend JJ was already selected.  Now, do you force WR with that pick.

See I'm ok you wanting JJ. You specifically wanted him the whole time...that's desire for the player more than the position.  I like that mindset.  

Nobody will ever convince me that they weren't just locked in on WR first, and then just made the wrong decision on the player afterwards. 

 

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Besides alot of the positions we needed that draft,IMO JJ was also the BPA. Anyway, that's the past, we have 9 more games to win and I'm loving this team we have. And you can bash me but I still would like to see Hurts accuracy on long balls. but we can't see that because we don't throw any

Yes....you think JJ was BPA.  That's the only reason he should have been picked. 

You really think they thought Reagor as BPA..  or just a preference of him over JJ.    I just think they forced WR for the most part.

Just now, joemas6 said:

Again... we agree. JJ better than Reagor.  Forget that part.  Pretend JJ was already selected.  Now, do you force WR with that pick.

See I'm ok you wanting JJ. You specifically wanted him the whole time...that's desire for the player more than the position.  I like that mindset.  

Nobody will ever convince me that they weren't just locked in on WR first, and then just made the wrong decision on the player afterwards. 

 

Agreed, I don't recall who else was available, but to me Reagor was a day 2 pick,so that made me even more mad LOL

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yes....you think JJ was BPA.  That's the only reason he should have been picked. 

You really think they thought Reagor as BPA..  or just a preference of him over JJ.    I just think they forced WR for the most part.

Like I said he was the speed freak and Howie got obsessed on that. "We need speed at WR". Everyone knew that,so I suppose you are right he forced the pick,but really even if he was stuck on WR there were better choices there than Reagor even if JJ was already gone

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2023/consensus-big-board-2023?pos=EDGE  Anyway,if you asked me I would say that the 2 edge guys are the top choices for us. Who knows,if QB's go 1,2,3 we could have the top edge guy fall to us at 4(assuming we pick there). if not we can get Murphy who would still be the BPA at 4. Both are excellent edge guys,I would take either one and be happy about it

59 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

https://www.nflmockdraftdatabase.com/big-boards/2023/consensus-big-board-2023?pos=EDGE  Anyway,if you asked me I would say that the 2 edge guys are the top choices for us. Who knows,if QB's go 1,2,3 we could have the top edge guy fall to us at 4(assuming we pick there). if not we can get Murphy who would still be the BPA at 4. Both are excellent edge guys,I would take either one and be happy about it

You should be a scout. 

A lot rides on our Saints pick. What are the odds HR trades back? So many QB needy teams.

Howabout those Phils! Thought it was over in the 3rd.

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/10/29/kansas-city-chiefs-running-back-ronald-jones-tweets-wants-to-be-released

C'mon Andy, work with us!

42 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

A lot rides on our Saints pick. What are the odds HR trades back? So many QB needy teams.

Howabout those Phils! Thought it was over in the 3rd.

True,the feeling is we will pick at 4 or 5. That has been consistent so far. Unless the Saints go on a tear. They are getting players off injury finally,so we shall see. With QB needy teams being many,sitting at 4/5 is a prime place to rape another team that needs that 4 pick. Howie is good at milking the most of of them. We can trade back 1,2,3 spots,get our guy and something else too That game was awesome. Admittedly not a baseball fan but I watch the playoffs in about any sport. That was the 2nd largest comeback in the WS I believe? I caught some graphic of something like that.

3 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/10/29/kansas-city-chiefs-running-back-ronald-jones-tweets-wants-to-be-released

C'mon Andy, work with us!

https://www.si.com/nfl/2022/10/29/49ers-receiving-listening-to-possible-offers-for-rb-jeff-wilson-per-report?utm_source=recommendations&utm_medium=in-article&utm_campaign=end-of-story

Jones and bring back McLeod. Just can't bring myself to believe Sanders will make it thru the season healthy the # of carries he's getting, McLeod knows the system, gives us depth

11 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

Jones and bring back McLeod. Just can't bring myself to believe Sanders will make it thru the season healthy the # of carries he's getting, McLeod knows the system, gives us depth

IDK we have RB's we haven't even seen yet. How good are they? Gainwell is under performing after some flashes of brilliance. Sermon can be a nice RB in rotation. We know Scott is solid and Hurts will ball hog on options rather than hand off. Nice to see Sanders get a TD for once. of course anything is an improvement over last years goose egg. IDK if adding another, well I won't say mediocre,but similar in talent RB to what we have would really be beneficial. Anyone you trade for goes on the 53,so whom do you cut? Not saying Howie won't do it,just seems like a head scratcher. yeah we could use some S depth here

K’Von Wallace, safety: Round 4, pick 127

When the Eagles added K’Von Wallace, there was hope he could be moved around the defensive formation much like the Clemson Tigers used him during his days in the ACC. As was the case with Taylor, there was some boom-or-bust potential, but even though Wallace has been slightly more productive, it’s hard to imagine he’s going to wind up being much better than he is now. Final grade: C- approaching a D

Would easily dump Wallace for Mcleod simply as b/u for this yr

RB would be a luxury move

https://www.foxsports.com/nfl/philadelphia-eagles-team-stats?season=2022&category=rushing  FWIW stats so far this year. Sanders yards per carry dropped from over 5 to under and Scott's look dismal,so maybe you are right and we try to find a better producer. But that drop could be a stat deceiver because of all the clock burning we have done to date

4 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

K’Von Wallace, safety: Round 4, pick 127

When the Eagles added K’Von Wallace, there was hope he could be moved around the defensive formation much like the Clemson Tigers used him during his days in the ACC. As was the case with Taylor, there was some boom-or-bust potential, but even though Wallace has been slightly more productive, it’s hard to imagine he’s going to wind up being much better than he is now. Final grade: C- approaching a D

Would easily dump Wallace for Mcleod simply as b/u for this yr

RB would be a luxury move

If we're going to continue the second 1/2 ground and pound,once again you could be right. Both Jones and Wilson seem resilient and are better RB's if Sanders needs replaced because IDK that Scott could take enough snaps. So I will side with you and say you could be correct,but someone  would need cut or put on the PS in both cases. Sermon was effective(not stellar) at OSU,but serviceable. I suppose he could go on the PS

Your OSU, WR Njigba out vs my PSU today - still gonna kick our butts

HR may be inquiring about both. Wilson's been in the rumor mill for a while now, Jones wanting out just happened. I don't want Kamara and his injuries, nor Hunt even tho we looked at him in the OS.

B/u S still of more importance imo. That's an easy roster move as we just dump Wallace, doubt we could get anything for him and in his 3rd yr we've seen enough, wouldn't even PS him.

RB different story, tougher to make a roster move.

1 minute ago, mjkline1958 said:

Your OSU, WR Njigba out vs my PSU today - still gonna kick our butts

IDK he is a big part of their offense. Really the only top flight WR in the next draft. Players on both teams I will be watching especially my early RT Dawand Jones from OSU. Big "show me" game for him today. OSU just wears you out and takes over late in games,so PSU needs to be ready for that and avoid 3 and outs.Even if it's only 1 first down(aka 7 and out) that extension of time will help them. Should be interesting to see if the OSU D line can dominate the PSU O line

5 minutes ago, mjkline1958 said:

HR may be inquiring about both. Wilson's been in the rumor mill for a while now, Jones wanting out just happened. I don't want Kamara and his injuries, nor Hunt even tho we looked at him in the OS.

B/u S still of more importance imo. That's an easy roster move as we just dump Wallace, doubt we could get anything for him and in his 3rd yr we've seen enough, wouldn't even PS him.

RB different story, tougher to make a roster move.

IDK about Book. He is on the 53,can he go to the PS? IDK that he would be in so much demand that that would be too risky a move? Agree on Wallace