5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ok, hate to be your party pooper here with actual facts and contract details. But only 57 mil guaranteed to AJ from Rosie. Anybody here want to do that math and tell me how that is greater than the 20 mil per figure the Titans supposedly were offering?

I hate to bother you with actual facts directly from the players mouth,but try this one   https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/29/tennessee-titans-a-j-brown-wanted-out-report/

Of coarse talent level matters. I just also am evidently the only one that believes coaching also matters. I’m not seeing a version of having a better Oline coach after Stout to replace him. Just have mad respect for the guy at his profession. Sure I expect all players to develop under whomever their position coach is. Nobody does it as well as Stout. I’d even go out on the limb to say he’s the best position coach we’ve ever had. Take the same player drafted learning under Stout or the Giants Oline coach(or any other) I’ll take that player under Stout all day. This all just makes very obvious sense to me. Didn’t really think I was saying anything controversial or groundbreaking here.

10 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ok, hate to be your party pooper here with actual facts and contract details. But only 57 mil guaranteed to AJ from Rosie. Anybody here want to do that math and tell me how that is greater than the 20 mil per figure the Titans supposedly were offering?

what he received from Philly in his four-year, $100 million deal.                So the math is 100 mil for 4 years =25 mil per year? yes the guarantee he wanted would have been record setting,so??? You can demand anything you want,you take the best deal you can get and Howie did that. Hurts had NOTHING TO DO with this deal,NOTHING

So,I am happy they are friends. I am thrilled they worked out the summer before he was signed,but facts remain unless Hurts blackmailed AJ's agent,he had nothing to do with this deal

7 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Ok, hate to be your party pooper here with actual facts and contract details. But only 57 mil guaranteed to AJ from Rosie. Anybody here want to do that math and tell me how that is greater than the 20 mil per figure the Titans supposedly were offering?

Dude... stop already.  You do this apples to oranges comparison all the time.    Show the Tennessee guarantee along with Eagles.   It was reported at $40.   The $20 mil was reported with incentives.  

You have to look at the structure of the contract and where the market is going.   

2 points, guaranteed money doesn't tell the whole story.   Are they going to cut him in the first year his money isn't guaranteed if it creates a cap hit that is higher than if they just keep him?   No, so it's irrelevant if that money is " guaranteed "  it's set up to where the player knows he will get that money.

And the point.... Brown will be considered cheap in a year or two after next batch of WR contracts.    So absolutely would be even more stupid to accept the low ball offer from Tennessee. 

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I hate to bother you with actual facts directly from the players mouth,but try this one   https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/29/tennessee-titans-a-j-brown-wanted-out-report/

Thank you. Nothing better proving my theory than this article. I hadn’t even read this one before. AJ just walked away from the negotiating table. It’s like another GM had already promised him he’d get more if he made sure to force a trade. Gave him the power to give a hard ultimatum at the negotiating table with Tennessee. Pay this or no go. Was it just the market value? Or was it even easier to stand his ground firmly because he already had been offered more?

12 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

what he received from Philly in his four-year, $100 million deal.                So the math is 100 mil for 4 years =25 mil per year? yes the guarantee he wanted would have been record setting,so??? You can demand anything you want,you take the best deal you can get and Howie did that. Hurts had NOTHING TO DO with this deal,NOTHING

Those are the BS numbers and I hope you know better about NFL contracts by now.

10 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I hate to bother you with actual facts directly from the players mouth,but try this one   https://titanswire.usatoday.com/2022/04/29/tennessee-titans-a-j-brown-wanted-out-report/

Right.. it's not hard to see.  The market exploded and Tennessee didn't want to pay.   Where as Washington and SF did.    

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Brown will be considered cheap in a year or two after next batch of WR contracts

You bet,great move by Howie not going with a 1 year,but a 4 year-superbly done

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Thank you. Nothing better proving my theory than this article. I hadn’t even read this one before. AJ just walked away from the negotiating table. It’s like another GM had already promised him he’d get more if he made sure to force a trade. Gave him the power to give a hard ultimatum at the negotiating table with Tennessee. Pay this or no go. Was it just the market value? Or was it even easier to stand his ground firmly because he already had been offered more?

Dude..   you didn't read this did you... you read the first part....keep reading.  

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

So,I am happy they are friends. I am thrilled they worked out the summer before he was signed,but facts remain unless Hurts blackmailed AJ's agent,he had nothing to do with this deal

Just total coincidence that he was developing chemistry with his new top target before he actually was even on the same team. There is no fire here….just smoke surrounding everything so much you can’t see.

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Thank you. Nothing better proving my theory than this article. I hadn’t even read this one before. AJ just walked away from the negotiating table. It’s like another GM had already promised him he’d get more if he made sure to force a trade. Gave him the power to give a hard ultimatum at the negotiating table with Tennessee. Pay this or no go. Was it just the market value? Or was it even easier to stand his ground firmly because he already had been offered more?

LMFAO why keep negotiating with a team that gave you their highest offer??? Will that magically rise as the weeks go by???? Are you really serious here???? Tenn told them what their finla offer was. Why would he keep negotiating after " NO we're not doing that" Would you keep negotiating???? CLueless

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Those are the BS numbers and I hope you no better about NFL contracts by now.

I quoted them from the article try reading comprehension LOL unreal. if they are BS,talk to Howie

9 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Of coarse talent level matters. I just also am evidently the only one that believes coaching also matters. I’m not seeing a version of having a better Oline coach after Stout to replace him. Just have mad respect for the guy at his profession. Sure I expect all players to develop under whomever their position coach is. Nobody does it as well as Stout. I’d even go out on the limb to say he’s the best position coach we’ve ever had. Take the same player drafted learning under Stout or the Giants Oline coach(or any other) I’ll take that player under Stout all day. This all just makes very obvious sense to me. Didn’t really think I was saying anything controversial or groundbreaking here.

Stop it.  We need OL because as you pointed out all the guys leaving.   We need OL even if you were the coach. Stop trying to say any of us said coaching doesn't matter.   

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Thank you. Nothing better proving my theory than this article. I hadn’t even read this one before. AJ just walked away from the negotiating table. It’s like another GM had already promised him he’d get more if he made sure to force a trade. Gave him the power to give a hard ultimatum at the negotiating table with Tennessee. Pay this or no go. Was it just the market value? Or was it even easier to stand his ground firmly because he already had been offered more?

OMG HAHAHAHAHAHA

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Those are the BS numbers and I hope you no better about NFL contracts by now.

So now the admission comes that Hurts had zero to do with "bringing AJ here" Thank you,that took 150 pages

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Thank you. Nothing better proving my theory than this article. I hadn’t even read this one before. AJ just walked away from the negotiating table. It’s like another GM had already promised him he’d get more if he made sure to force a trade. Gave him the power to give a hard ultimatum at the negotiating table with Tennessee. Pay this or no go. Was it just the market value? Or was it even easier to stand his ground firmly because he already had been offered more?

You didn't read the article.   This gives us insight to your way of thinking .  Either your reading comprehension isn't there, or you just don't finish reading stuff.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right.. it's not hard to see.  The market exploded and Tennessee didn't want to pay.   Where as Washington and SF did.    

57 mil guaranteed. Did we actually pay more? How much does that add up to per season? You can do some math. Is that greater than 20 mil per? Nowhere near 80 mil that was mentioned.

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Right.. it's not hard to see.  The market exploded and Tennessee didn't want to pay.   Where as Washington and SF did.    

No you must be wrong Garapolo got McCaffrey to SF,ask anyone 🤣

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

57 mil guaranteed. Did we actually pay more? How much does that add up to per season? You can do some math. Is that greater than 20 mil per? Nowhere near 80 mil that was mentioned.

Ham...READ THE ENTIRE THING !!!!

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

57 mil guaranteed. Did we actually pay more? How much does that add up to per season? You can do some math. Is that greater than 20 mil per? Nowhere near 80 mil that was mentioned.

80 mil would be a RECORD guarantee. Howie wasn't doing that. Still regardless of this BS Hurts did NOT BRING AJ here,so bust that dream bubble. This crap all began because you said(and still do) that Hurts brought AJ to Philly. That is FALSE

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

LMFAO why keep negotiating with a team that gave you their highest offer??? Will that magically rise as the weeks go by???? Are you really serious here???? Tenn told them what their finla offer was. Why would he keep negotiating after " NO we're not doing that" Would you keep negotiating???? CLueless

I quoted them from the article try reading comprehension LOL unreal. if they are BS,talk to Howie

Article said AJ walked away from the negotiating table. Not that the Titans did.

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

No you must be wrong Garapolo got McCaffrey to SF,ask anyone 🤣

Hilarious....you just posted a link he read the first paragraph and that's it??.

Probably never looked up the conversation between Deebo and AJ either?    But Batman costumes...lol

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Article said AJ walked away from the negotiating table. Not that the Titans did.

Read the whole thing!

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

80 mil would be a RECORD guarantee. Howie wasn't doing that. Still regardless of this BS Hurts did NOT BRING AJ here,so bust that dream bubble

Thank god Hurts bailed us out and got us a WR. Rosie had pretty much exhausted all other options and bombed. It was time to trade up in the draft as really the only thing left to do. 

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Hilarious....you just posted a link he read the first paragraph and that's it??.

Probably never looked up the conversation between Deebo and AJ either?    But Batman costumes...lol

Read the whole thing!

"Brown actually wanted out of Tennessee and had stopped communicating with the team weeks ago.”

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Thank god Hurts bailed us out and got us a WR. Rosie had pretty much exhausted all other options and bombed. It was time to trade up in the draft as really the only thing left to do. 

LMFAO even with facts and articles the BS DREAM LIVES ON-unbelievable. Hurts bailed out Howie HAHAHAHA, my sides hurt 🤣