28 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

League rules state he couldn’t have compared their offer to any other teams offer since he was under contract with Titans. Another technicality, I know these dang rules, Titans chose to trade with Eags…not AJ choosing best deal. Titans would take what’s best for them….draft picks. Why would they care what we pay him? But your answer actually shows me your leaning towards my theory and point. AJ chose the best offer from us. He knew we’d pay….so he walked away and sabotaged negotiations. Seems like the obvious conclusion to me…and wait…you just stated the same.

Part of the trade was the Eagles wanted to work out a deal first. They were not going to toss those two picks unless they had a agreement with AJ Brown first. He did not only know we would pay but what he was going to get paid.....

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

I was just clarifying your statement here. I believe you were right with took the best offer…being ours over Titans. So I see you viewpoint of he walked away from their offer assuming he could get paid more elsewhere in a trade right away. Then your saying we outbid everybody else’s offer. Though Titans should take best draft compensation for them not caring about AJs bank account. So you aren’t buying the Rosie working the contract straight through almost until pick 18 then? I’m just trying to not put words in your mouth. Because he’d be even more difficult to be negotiating with the whole league for best offer while draft picks are being used. 

IDK that we were outbid. You know if you get similar offers, other things are involved right? Like "I don't want to play for so and so",or I don't want to live in AZ or I have bad memories in Green Bay or whatever.If someone else offered the identical deal(say Houston) and there was no differences at all,I imagine he would opt to play with his friend as opposed to not? A small perk to be sure but once again a bit better option(not deal, OPTION)

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Well when you hit FA all teams have all their finances to get full market value. Most teams paid out and made what moves they could by draft time. So you don’t exactly have all teams available to pay top dollar. Usually happening because of multiple teams creating a bidding war. So market value of top dollar can’t be paid by many teams just financially speaking. Then you also have teams that have the money but don’t need a WR…like Cincy. Really narrows down the options. Who needed a WR bad enough and could afford to pay AT THAT TIME? We haven’t even heard a rumor of anybody else involved. But if your his agent who’s paying your price at this time? Not ideal situation for an agent to put a player in…unless….

Correct... it's why the Eagles were the easy fit.... AT THAT TIME.

Tennessee took the immediate assets... as the alternative would have been what SF and Washington did, pay the market value...or even worse, they lose the player for nothing at the end of the season. 

Negotiations go in stages.  They go prior to free agency starting ( not an issue with Deebo, AJ,McLaurin this past offseason)   then prior to draft.    

At that stage Tenn had choice to make.  Eagles had the assets.   They made the choice.   SF and Washington wanted to play chicken longer.   After AJ was traded...they were kinda stuck.  Trades would have been for picks a year away, value isn't there.  SF wants a shot to compete this year after strong playoff run and new QB.  Washington has enough bad PR, they needed to sign McLaurin too.   They paid.  

It happens.  KC didn't want to pay either..  Tennessee situation with AJ isn't new. 

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Crucial he got him after we struck out everywhere else especially. Really best case scenario. We kicking butt!

Losing Reagor was the best decision ever regardless of AJ we needed a better WR

3 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not there yet really. You’d obviously tag him. Why wouldn’t Titans trade him next year? Seems fairly clear AJ demanded a trade. Your article stated cleats aren’t hitting turf.

Right, the cleats don't hit the turf for 16 million which was the Titans offer. What was the cost of the tag if they wouldn't even go past 16 million?

Just now, stine said:

Part of the trade was the Eagles wanted to work out a deal first. They were not going to toss those two picks unless they had a agreement with AJ Brown first. He did not only know we would pay but what he was going to get paid.....

Smart on our part. Don’t want to bring in a rental headache paying a first and third. I absolutely think he knew that we’d pay…BEFORE HE DEMANDED TO BE TRADE AND WALKED AWAY FROM NEGOTIATIONS. Details had to be worked out I’m sure. But somehow he knew we’d pay. Only way any of this makes any sense to me. 

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

IDK that we were outbid. You know if you get similar offers, other things are involved right? Like "I don't want to play for so and so",or I don't want to live in AZ or I have bad memories in Green Bay or whatever.If someone else offered the identical deal(say Houston) and there was no differences at all,I imagine he would opt to play with his friend as opposed to not? A small perk to be sure but once again a bit better option(not deal, OPTION)

Makes plenty of sense. Like his buddy recruiting him worked.

We forget at that time...   everyone didn't know if Hill's contract was an outlier...or if it was going to set the market.  Obviously the WRs were talking to each other trying to up the market.  They all seemed to balk at the $20...let alone incentives to reach that.

If anything, we can probably thank Miami for paying Hill and setting the market. Raiders too I guess with Adams.  Otherwise Tennessee would have probably resigned AJ weeks prior. 

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Makes plenty of sense. Like his buddy recruiting him worked.

He didn't recruit him,that's what you don't get. he knew his days with Tenn were over. So what are my options? I take the best deal and play with a friend,or maybe I even take a little LESS and play with my friend. That was a decision AJ made not Hurts. As AJ stated he would have stayed in Tenn for 22 mil

6 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Not there yet really. You’d obviously tag him. Why wouldn’t Titans trade him next year? Seems fairly clear AJ demanded a trade. Your article stated cleats aren’t hitting turf.

Ok....you are a GM...you have a draft coming up tomorrow.   A 1st and a 3rd are right there being offered for all these players you have been researching.    

Or... you wait a year and what?  Unknown.  If you tag AJ, how does that go?  How does this offseason go?  Do you get similar value?  What draft would it be, 2023 or 2024.   

If you tag AJ, that's 20 -25 mil cap space you lose until he gets moved...that's right at start of league year when you want cap space for free agency. 

I think you can see this idea you have of using the tag compared to the known immediate picks is risky. 

Plus you keep saying how 2022 draft picks are worth more than future years.

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He didn't recruit him,that's what you don't get. he knew his days with Tenn were over. So what are my options? I take the best deal and play with a friend,or maybe I even take a little LESS and play with my friend. That was a decision AJ made not Hurts. As AJ stated he would have stayed in Tenn for 22 mil

AJ had no options... Tennessee was in control.   They chose the trade, then AJ only option was negotiate with Howie or stay in Tennessee. 

5 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Smart on our part. Don’t want to bring in a rental headache paying a first and third. I absolutely think he knew that we’d pay…BEFORE HE DEMANDED TO BE TRADE AND WALKED AWAY FROM NEGOTIATIONS. Details had to be worked out I’m sure. But somehow he knew we’d pay. Only way any of this makes any sense to me. 

Baloney. After he walked away he agreed "in principle"(sorry I misspelled this before) to what Howie was offering. There could have been NO offer unless the Titans also agreed he was DONE in Tennessee or that would be tampering I believe. When he demanded a trade,Tenn would have agreed to let him seek new employment. Of course they could have refused him and let him hit FA and gotten nothing

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Correct... it's why the Eagles were the easy fit.... AT THAT TIME.

Tennessee took the immediate assets... as the alternative would have been what SF and Washington did, pay the market value...or even worse, they lose the player for nothing at the end of the season. 

Negotiations go in stages.  They go prior to free agency starting ( not an issue with Deebo, AJ,McLaurin this past offseason)   then prior to draft.    

At that stage Tenn had choice to make.  Eagles had the assets.   They made the choice.   SF and Washington wanted to play chicken longer.   After AJ was traded...they were kinda stuck.  Trades would have been for picks a year away, value isn't there.  SF wants a shot to compete this year after strong playoff run and new QB.  Washington has enough bad PR, they needed to sign McLaurin too.   They paid.  

It happens.  KC didn't want to pay either..  Tennessee situation with AJ isn't new. 

AJ walked away and forced Titans to trade. You were listing the teams that would have no way of getting AJ. So who was left to pay him? He walked away from negotiating and demanded a trade. So who was the market he was sure to get his market value from at such slate stage? You know…if he didn’t already know we’d pay….he was just banking on his worth…but so late…who needed a WR…that could pay his massive salary(more than Titans) and could give draft picks? Very curious all these options him and his agent were banking on.

Just now, joemas6 said:

AJ had no options... Tennessee was in control.   They chose the trade, then AJ only option was negotiate with Howie or stay in Tennessee. 

Yep and Tenn had to agree to let him look elsewhere

But I get Hams view... the initial 20 talks was just negotiating tactics... AJ walked away before the 21st conversation where it then becomes real.  It was just a first offer from Tenn...lol

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

AJ walked away and forced Titans to trade. You were listing the teams that would have no way of getting AJ. So who was left to pay him? He walked away from negotiating and demanded a trade. So who was the market he was sure to get his market value from at such slate stage? You know…if he didn’t already know we’d pay….he was just banking on his worth…but so late…who needed a WR…that could pay his massive salary(more than Titans) and could give draft picks? Very curious all these options him and his agent were banking on.

Tenn could have said "NO" and let him hit FA and gotten ZERO,so why would they not at least get what they could by trading him(or letting him be traded?) Why would they rather get nothing?

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But I get Hams view... the initial 20 talks was just negotiating tactics... AJ walked away before the 21st conversation where it then becomes real.  It was just a first offer from Tenn...lol

IDK bro,my head is a whirpool trying to explain the obvious LOL

7 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

He didn't recruit him,that's what you don't get. he knew his days with Tenn were over. So what are my options? I take the best deal and play with a friend,or maybe I even take a little LESS and play with my friend. That was a decision AJ made not Hurts. As AJ stated he would have stayed in Tenn for 22 mil

But then it stated he wanted out. Also stated he demanded 80 mil guaranteed. Who really knows? I do feel his friend was very key.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But then it stated he wanted out. Also stated he demanded 80 mil guaranteed. Who really knows? I do feel his friend was very key.

IDK if there were other offers or not. The Eagles offer was better than Tenn,all we need to know. The fact he got to play with a friend was a bonus for him,but Hurts had nothing to do with negotiating nor "getting him here"

Ham, does our new safety from the Saints know we are going to pay him?  

Does he have to know?   Just like AJ he isn't going to sign a below market value deal.   You keep talking about it going up to $20 mil now for  him. 

It's the same thing... AJ not going to sign a below market deal with Tenn... Gardner not going to sign a below market deal with either Saints or Eagles.   That's not Hurts influenced.

AJ knew someone was going to pay..because the market is going up.  Not because of Hurts.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But then it stated he wanted out. Also stated he demanded 80 mil guaranteed. Who really knows? I do feel his friend was very key.

Deebo wanted a trade too..why didn't it happen?  That was public knowledge, not speculation. 

 

Howie et al were unhappy with reagors performance and he knew we needed a WR to replace him. So you can look for a trade optiion(which we did) or you can go through the draft. Howie killed 2 birds with 1 stone by making the AJ deal because he got his Reagor replacement and got additional assets besides that. The other option would be to take Olave and give up Davis. Instead he got AJ,Davis and addition draft picks. Do you understand this?

5 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

AJ had no options... Tennessee was in control.   They chose the trade, then AJ only option was negotiate with Howie or stay in Tennessee. 

Well he walked away from the table. Stated his cleats won’t hit the turf demanding a trade. But yeah, Titans should just do what’s best for them and get the most draft comp. Lucky for AJ it just luckily happened we not only outbid everyone but we’re willing to pay him. So walking away from negotiations from Tennesse just luckily paid off for AJ. And it even worked out so well for him that it was a trade to his friends team he was just working out with building chemistry. It’s a miracle all these coincidence and luck really paid off for him and us. Like eight different things worked out just right…by coincidence. Bold move for AJ with such a limited market to take his chances the highest bidder of his friends team was also willing to pay.

23 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Losing Reagor was the best decision ever regardless of AJ we needed a better WR

We struck out on every other option though. Reagor was lost cause. At least things improved once we benched him. We would have been forced to trade up for WR in the draft of not for the AJ situation.

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But I get Hams view... the initial 20 talks was just negotiating tactics... AJ walked away before the 21st conversation where it then becomes real.  It was just a first offer from Tenn...lol

Wasn’t a first offer. Don’t think it was their last though. Seems like we’re hearing AJ basically did all that negotiating then hit them with a ridiculous demand of 80 mil or trade me. Nobody was going to pay 80 mil guaranteed. Pretty sure we can all agree there. So he wasn’t just going to wait for FA or get tagged. Forcing a trade so he could get paid. What teams was he convinced would trade for him and pay him? You did the leg work. What were his options at that point? I seriously don’t know. I know us…

8 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

We struck out on every other option though. Reagor was lost cause. At least things improved once we benched him. We would have been forced to trade up for WR in the draft of not for the AJ situation.

Nah we would have selected Olave,but that means no Davis. Howie got Davis, a proven #1 WR, traded a 1 pick that draft for a 1 pick this next draft(plus additional draft capital). So really we got Davis and additional draft capital for a round 1 trade off from this draft to next.You can decide if that was worth it,to me it was