If Gerry is playing 99-100% what’s that like  60snaps and has 10 bad plays that 16% 

If Edwards or Singletary play 25% of the snaps 15 plays and have 3 bad plays 20% of there snaps are bad 

That simple math why would I think with more plays they would have less bad plays???? 
 

If Gerry is only out there for 15 plays and only has 1 terrible snap doesn’t mean he magically fixed his problems just that he isn’t out there to get exposed as much.

7 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

If Gerry is playing 99-100% what’s that like  60snaps and has 10 bad plays that 16% 

If Edwards or Singletary play 25% of the snaps 15 plays and have 3 bad plays 20% of there snaps are bad 

That simple math why would I think with more plays they would have less bad plays???? 
 

If Gerry is only out there for 15 plays and only has 1 terrible snap doesn’t mean he magically fixed his problems just that he isn’t out there to get exposed as much.

I think I am pretty good at pointing out the good and the bad when I watch individual players. Edwards and Singleton are not going to be all pro linebackers. But there is a lot of evidence they will be an upgrade over Gerry and Riley.

As far as your math, Gerry and Riley miss too many plays due to bad tackling and poor positioning. Edwards and Singleton appear to be significantly better at positioning and tackling. so assuming that they would make bad plays at the same rate is going out on a pretty weak limb.

I think we will get to see for ourselves, though, as Singleton will get more snaps with Edwards out, and Gerry and Riley are quickly playing their way to the waiver wire.

1 minute ago, jsb235 said:

so assuming that they would make bad plays at the same rate is going out on a pretty weak limb.

I’m not that just real simple math 3/15 is 20% 10/60 is 16% don’t have to go out on a limb lol I use stats I use facts.... We play a ton of man coverage maybe Edwards drops better in zone does he guard better in man???? Idk same with Singletary.... I’m all for giving them a go but when they are exposed as well I just want equal bashing 

Singletsry really did nothing for me in SF only noticed him when Mullens threw the ball right to him was so invisible Mullens didn’t even see him 

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I'm way out over my skis here, Jordan Mailata might get destroyed at Pittsburgh, but if he doesn't, I'd think about playing Jason Peters at right guard when Peters recovers from that toe. I think JP might be better inside now than in space. Matt Pryor strikes me as a utility guy.

Bill O'brian fires by Texans. Can;t feel badly for him leaving PSU while under contract - Yes, I hold grudges!

17 hours ago, jsb235 said:

Singleton had two tackles, both for a loss, and an interception. I know it was gifted to him, but he also had nice depth and recognition on the play, which is what Gerry lacks. Edwards was up and down before he left the game, but he is simply better than Gerry. Right before he got hurt he had two nice tackles in a row.

The difference between Edwards and Singleton versus Riley and Gerry is that they miss fewer tackles and lay better zone coverage. The only possible reason you play Gerry and Riley is because they are better in man coverage, which they aren't, so they shouldn't be out there.

Singleton and Edwards should be the linebackers until Taylor/Bradley beat them out or we draft guys to replace them. If the goal is to win football games, they are going to be the ones who give us a better chance to do that.

On another note, Mills is far better at corner than at safety.

I agree with Edwards and Singleton as our best two LB. The problem is Gerry calls the plays. So he’s kind of the brains of the defense. Not sure Edwards or Singleton are very cut out for that job.

2 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I agree with Edwards and Singleton as our best two LB. The problem is Gerry calls the plays. So he’s kind of the brains of the defense. Not sure Edwards or Singleton are very cut out for that job.

I would agree if this was last year, but Edwards and Singleton have both been in the system for a year, so they can likely do it. And I imagine it is just relaying a call from the sideline. I know the coaches really like Gerry, but my guess is, if Singleton plays well over the next two weeks, it will be really difficult to keep him and Edwards on the bench. 

I rewatched the game and focused on some of our new players, such as Epps, Mailata and Avery.

With Avery, the team used him as a stand up rusher, where he found success in Cleveland. It allows him to either try to get the edge with speed or loop around inside on a stunt. He's not an every down DE, but I think he can be an effective pass rush specialist. Why it took them so long to use him like this is beyond me. He was also matched up against a legit RT, so it wasn't that he was picking on low hanging fruit.

Epps was obviously on the wrong end of a highlight play, but he played really well other than that. He is a big hitter and plays with confidence. I predicted going into the game that moving Mills to corner and him to SS would be an upgrade at both positions, and that seems to have been the case. As an aside. Strap should be getting all the nickel snaps as he is much better than NRC.

I didn't notice Wallace except for giving up catches to Kittle. Hopefully he will start to show up. McLeod had a good game.

On offense, Mailata had some good and bad moments. When he gets it right, he is the best player on the field. On the Wentz TD run, he got to the second level and not only blocked the linebacker, but blocked him into another guy, giving Wentz plenty of space. For the life of me I don't know why we didn't run behind him more.

He was up and down in pass protection. Once he was spun around and a few times he was caught reaching instead of moving his feet. But most of the time he was pretty good. If he can ever put it together, look out. He should also get better once teams can't blitz us relentlessly. The 49ers played single high safety and man most of the night, and used their LBs to shut down the running game and short passing game.

Richard Rodgers, Ward, Hightower and Fulgham played well. The problem is, those guys can't be your whole offense. All of them are fine right now as a fourth or fifth guy, but they need to get Goedert, Reagor and DJax back. If Jeffery is healthy, that will help as well.  

One more thing, our playcalling continues to be an issue. We took one deep shot when we should have been testing their corners more. Against single high coverage we should have been running more max protect, two wr routes. I am also over the gadget plays to Hurts. It seems like the upside is a five yard game, and the downside is a fumble.

We won because the other team made more mistakes than we did, which isn't a great way to win, but I will take it. But we are a sloppy team right now on offense. Some of it has to do with the injuries. But our oline has done its jobs despite all the injuries. And our wrs have been good. But when you lose 12 yards running a reverse to a PS RB who weighs 160 pounds instead or putting the ball in Miles Sanders' hands, that's an issue. 

A good breakdown of Jordan Mailata.

 

While I am not a "stat" guy and I appreciate all you guys that ARE,there is much more to it than that for me.I want to know how guys play TOGETHER.maybe one guy gets the stats,but it's the guy next to him that provides those opportunities.I try to look at TEAM play.Remember when we hit the playoffs in '17,we were underdogs every game.That was a team of not great stat guys,coming together.I understand that can't be measured,still there is the "team" factor.I saw some of that "spirit" yesterday.Also as you recall we tried the "dream team" approach and that was a disaster.I enjoy watching players who ENJOY the game and are relentless(you know without being morons).I would rather have a team of "worker bees" that a team full of individual prima donnas.I like the WR's we have,they are not done,nor resting on laurels.They know they need to keep working.Those are the guys I want on my team.I would like to add one more of those next draft.No need to spend a 1 on one,but a nice solid guy with that special "chip".Killins is like that.I hope he can up his game enough to stay here.With a little more work,her could be a nice guy to use in different places and Sproles understands how the "too small to play" works.So,IMO 1 more WR and maybe use all those 6 picks to move into 4 for another solid RB.Love Sanders and Scott,just want a guy behind them and Clement who shined once isn't really doing anything. IDK how the other guys look.D looked ok despite the fact I bashed Schwartz(again).it seems when I bash him,he responds for me HAHAHA.The O still sputtering along,but at least they looked semi coherent Sunday.Hard to believe with 1 win we are leading this lame division lol.Hope we get guys back and keep them on the field. next 2 are going to be tough games.if we can win 1/2,then there is hope.All we have to do is be there at the end and "peak" when it's the right time and who knows??? Right now my WR choice is Wallace from LSU(round 3).He is the number 2 guy.His teammate should be close to the first WR taken,so he may have that needed little chip I mentioned. Parsons at LB in 1,then either a pass rusher OR a CB in 2,then Wallace in 3.There seem to be alot of LB's in this upcoming draft,but for me Parsons is in his own class( like Vander-Esch-JMO) I am good at picking WR's and RB's,you guys are better at lineman and defensive guys.I still say toss us all in a room with beer,pizza,wings and cheesesteaks and we will make better picks than Howie

3 hours ago, jsb235 said:

A good breakdown of Jordan Mailata.

 

Like I said,you guys are WAY ahead of me on linemen. I will offer what I saw. Thats a BIG BOY!!!(LOL). It seemed to me his major "thing" that needs work is his footwork and balance.He seems plenty strong enough in the upper body.He's still learning and was glad he got the start.I think it taught him alot he can work on. Just add better lower body control/leverage with a bit more finesse in his footwork and working out of a lower center of gravity will help him. More experience and who knows.He could do great things down the road.Now what would we do with Dillard? lol.As I said in my previous post,I like that he's a "team" guy.For his first start,I think he did a fine job.He will only get better

5 hours ago, jsb235 said:

One more thing, our playcalling continues to be an issue. We took one deep shot when we should have been testing their corners more. Against single high coverage we should have been running more max protect, two wr routes. I am also over the gadget plays to Hurts. It seems like the upside is a five yard game, and the downside is a fumble.

We won because the other team made more mistakes than we did, which isn't a great way to win, but I will take it. But we are a sloppy team right now on offense. Some of it has to do with the injuries. But our oline has done its jobs despite all the injuries. And our wrs have been good. But when you lose 12 yards running a reverse to a PS RB who weighs 160 pounds instead or putting the ball in Miles Sanders' hands, that's an issue. 

Maybe,it's hindsight.If it went for 30 yards,you'd be fine with it.The plays like that are to keep us from being predictable(which I totally hate unless you are executing them all which we don't),so I can't complain about it.Hurts is a rook,like all rooks he needs those 'real game" snaps.He isn't gonna walk on the field and be a star,so I'm glad we got him a few snaps and a tad of game time experience.I hope we are in the position to take those chances with him so he gets better

Wentz 102 yards rushing the last two weeks... Remember when some tried to say Wentz wasn’t a mobile QB how some forget how athletic Wentz is.

13 hours ago, jsb235 said:

One more thing, our playcalling continues to be an issue. We took one deep shot when we should have been testing their corners more. Against single high coverage we should have been running more max protect, two wr routes. I am also over the gadget plays to Hurts. It seems like the upside is a five yard game, and the downside is a fumble.

Hmmmmm sounding nit picky yea should have tried some more deep routes though do believe I seen a handful that the OL just didn’t hold up on..... Gameplan seemed kinda clear quick easy passes get the ball out of Wentz hands and we ran the ball quite a bit was a 50-50 split in the game.

Expecting we will see the O expand but with a makeshift OL new starting LT new WRs thought the game calling fine 

As for Hurts I like us using Hurts doing some read option stuff....

Think it was early in the game but seen the impact Hurts had on the SF DL Sanders ran like 9-10 yards untouched. Hurts is also dangerous with his legs.

now the pitch to hurts try throw it back to Wentz who then likely tries to throw it again I don’t need all that 

7 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Now what would we do with Dillard?

Nothing worst case scenario he becomes a backup on a rookie deal that Mailata just dominating.... More likely be a competition between the two next year.

Anyway we look at it should have 3 Ts(actually 4 with Driscoll) who did alright filling in for Lane in SF 

The state of our OL moving forward looks strong.

Herbig looks like a viable starter and we would still have Semaulo/Brooks as starters

Pryor can start in a pinch good backup 

Mailata has shown promise in 1 start hopefully he keeps getting better

Dillard- did alright as a rookie filling in at LT and for what it’s worth team didn’t seem to have any concerns adding a LT until after he got hurt. 
 

Also have Driscoll who I think does fine shows he is a rookie but should get better, Jurgia the UDFA that we really like... Also have the Auburn I believe T Prince something we got late in the draft who many were said to have a 1st round grade on if he didn’t get injured in college so someone to look forward to 

29 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Wentz 102 yards rushing the last two weeks... Remember when some tried to say Wentz wasn’t a mobile QB how some forget how athletic Wentz is.

LOL,when you are forced out of your pocket with 2- 300+ pound guys after you,you tend to run fairly fast.When those beasts are coming for you find your "mobility",but that's really not his game.He seems to be Houdini getting away from defenders.I call him athletic,but not really mobile running.He is no Jackson or Mahomes.He does his best in the pocket.Athletic yes,mobile,not so much

20 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

As for Hurts I like us using Hurts doing some read option stuff....

Think it was early in the game but seen the impact Hurts had on the SF DL Sanders ran like 9-10 yards untouched. Hurts is also dangerous with his legs.

now the pitch to hurts try throw it back to Wentz who then likely tries to throw it again I don’t need all that 

We were just trying to be NOT predictable

Here is my so far tagged WR(I think I called him Wallace by mistake) At any rate his teamate(Chase) should be one of the first off the board.if this guy lasts until 3,I want him in Midnight green

My #1 pick

32 minutes ago, Bleedinggreen93 said:

Nothing worst case scenario he becomes a backup on a rookie deal that Mailata just dominating.... More likely be a competition between the two next year.

Anyway we look at it should have 3 Ts(actually 4 with Driscoll) who did alright filling in for Lane in SF 

Wondering if one of those could/would play as a BU RIGHT T behind Lane.Driscoll did ok,just wondering whomever didnt get the nod could play both spots

I just watched the all 22 and here are some thoughts.

I think the Singleton pick was the result of the second play of the game when Mullens missed the fullback for a big play. In that case, both linebackers crashed the LOS. On the interception, they ran a similar max protection and I am sure Mullens thought the LBs would do the same thing.

Richard Rodgers is a really solid player. He is a great bargain for us.

Hightower is going to be a star. I don't know why Wentz doesn't trust him right now, but it's coming. On the drive before he had the big fourth down catch, he ran a similar route on third down and Wentz didn't throw it. The next drive he did. There were also a few times when he was open for big plays that Wentz didn't air it out for him.

Wentz was obviously a lot better in this game, but he is still missing a lot of throws and hesitating. He has got to trust his receivers more. 

Wallace was unlucky that his first game was against the best TE in football. He had solid coverage a few times, but Kittle is just a better player. There was zero dropoff in our SS play with him and Epps in there, and they would be crazy to move Mills when Maddox returns.

Our dline is scary good. It should be an interesting matchup with the Steelers. It seems like we were built to beat a team like them - a non-mobile QB who needs time in the pocket to be successful but who can pick teams apart. Against the 49ers we won a ton of 1v1 matchups. Also, they finally used Avery correctly. It's amazing what happens when you use a player properly. A few times they dropped a DE into coverage and brought pressure from other angles. One of those times resulted in the fumble caused by LeBlanc. It's nice to see Schwartz mix things up. 

18 minutes ago, jsb235 said:

I just watched the all 22 and here are some thoughts.

I think the Singleton pick was the result of the second play of the game when Mullens missed the fullback for a big play. In that case, both linebackers crashed the LOS. On the interception, they ran a similar max protection and I am sure Mullens thought the LBs would do the same thing.

Richard Rodgers is a really solid player. He is a great bargain for us.

Hightower is going to be a star. I don't know why Wentz doesn't trust him right now, but it's coming. On the drive before he had the big fourth down catch, he ran a similar route on third down and Wentz didn't throw it. The next drive he did. There were also a few times when he was open for big plays that Wentz didn't air it out for him.

Wentz was obviously a lot better in this game, but he is still missing a lot of throws and hesitating. He has got to trust his receivers more. 

Wallace was unlucky that his first game was against the best TE in football. He had solid coverage a few times, but Kittle is just a better player. There was zero dropoff in our SS play with him and Epps in there, and they would be crazy to move Mills when Maddox returns.

Our dline is scary good. It should be an interesting matchup with the Steelers. It seems like we were built to beat a team like them - a non-mobile QB who needs time in the pocket to be successful but who can pick teams apart. Against the 49ers we won a ton of 1v1 matchups. Also, they finally used Avery correctly. It's amazing what happens when you use a player properly. A few times they dropped a DE into coverage and brought pressure from other angles. One of those times resulted in the fumble caused by LeBlanc. It's nice to see Schwartz mix things up. 

We had this discussion.Sometimes I bash Schwartz,other times he defies my bashing.People say "he got his guy he wanted". Although that may be true we're offering him "his guy" with limitations. We never give him a top flight LB,we sometimes will draft a CB,but normally we have been focusing on getting Wentz weapons.So I need to back off Schwartz a bit.He can only run schemes with the players he has.D line looked ok VS the 9ers,but they are beat up.The next 2 will tell me alot.Perhaps if we gave Schwartz some top flight guys he could do things more to our liking.Parsons is my 1 pick,Marshall in 3,so now the annual quandry of what to do in round 2.There will be some nice RB's in that round,so not too sure we don't take one.Other wise would like to see a solidification pick on either line,but some RB's may be hard to pass on.Thats later,just thinking out loud that complaining about Schwartz may be wrong on my part.Like I said those that say "he gets the guys he wants".Well,yeah out of a group of less than stellar players we make him pick from.We never tell him "ok the first pick is yours lol.If Parsons is there and we pass,we will bring a whole new meaning to "whiffed pick"