1 hour ago, stine said:

So Strength of Schedule means nothing. How many wins do you think the Eagles would have if they had Green Bay's schedule? They play the NFC East and the AFC East, which are the two toughest divisions? In contrast we play the AFC South and NFC North, two weakest divisions. Oh and we played a tough Pittsburgh Team (2-6) and Arizona (3-6), We also have No later this year. Strength Absolutely matters in wins vs losses. To ignore is just being Clueless.  The toughest games the Eagles have are within their own division. But I counter this with Division Games are ALWAYS tough. That is the only place you can argue where records do not matter. But All other games do.....

If it meant anything, then teams wouldn't lose games they're "supposed" to win......

I'm talking about the preseason strength of schedule.  But even the ongoing strength of schedule is no indication of how a team will perform.  

There are so many examples that preseason strength of schedule means nothing that it would take pages of proof to show you.  Ongoing strength of schedule shows nothing because it can't predict divisional rivalries, injuries, upsets for whatever reason and the normal ebbs and flows of the NFL season.  Some teams start out hot and fade, others are bad and play better as the year progresses.  To boil it down to the previous 8 game record is really, really shortsighted.

Just using their records is ridiculous.  

How does it measure divisional rivalry?  How does it predict injuries? for example, how would the bills fare without Josh Allen?

How does it compensate for teams playing better as the year progresses or vice versa?  

It means nothing......and each week of games proves it.  You just choose to ignore it.

You guys conveniently forget that winning in the NFL is really hard.  Lack of preparation or lack of intensity can cause any team to lose to another....to deny this is just clueless. Teams with new coaching staffs take 6-8 games to get more efficient in the new systems, offensively or defensively.   There are numerous examples over the last few weeks that show some teams improving while others are fading.  Again, things that are unpredictable and can't be measured by SoS.

 

 

 

1 minute ago, birdman#12 said:

If it meant anything, then teams wouldn't lose games they're "supposed" to win......

I'm talking about the preseason strength of schedule.  But even the ongoing strength of schedule is no indication of how a team will perform.  

There are so many examples that preseason strength of schedule means nothing that it would take pages of proof to show you.  Ongoing strength of schedule shows nothing because it can't predict divisional rivalries, injuries, upsets for whatever reason and the normal ebbs and flows of the NFL season.  Some teams start out hot and fade, others are bad and play better as the year progresses.  To boil it down to the previous 8 game record is really, really shortsighted.

Just using their records is ridiculous.  

How does it measure divisional rivalry?  How does it predict injuries? for example, how would the bills fare without Josh Allen?

How does it compensate for teams playing better as the year progresses or vice versa?  

It means nothing......and each week of games proves it.  You just choose to ignore it.

You guys conveniently forget that winning in the NFL is really hard.  Lack of preparation or lack of intensity can cause any team to lose to another....to deny this is just clueless. Teams with new coaching staffs take 6-8 games to get more efficient in the new systems, offensively or defensively.   There are numerous examples over the last few weeks that show some teams improving while others are fading.  Again, things that are unpredictable and can't be measured by SoS.

 

 

 

Clueless 🤣😬 

5 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

If it meant anything, then teams wouldn't lose games they're "supposed" to win......

I'm talking about the preseason strength of schedule.  But even the ongoing strength of schedule is no indication of how a team will perform.  

There are so many examples that preseason strength of schedule means nothing that it would take pages of proof to show you.  Ongoing strength of schedule shows nothing because it can't predict divisional rivalries, injuries, upsets for whatever reason and the normal ebbs and flows of the NFL season.  Some teams start out hot and fade, others are bad and play better as the year progresses.  To boil it down to the previous 8 game record is really, really shortsighted.

Just using their records is ridiculous.  

How does it measure divisional rivalry?  How does it predict injuries? for example, how would the bills fare without Josh Allen?

How does it compensate for teams playing better as the year progresses or vice versa?  

It means nothing......and each week of games proves it.  You just choose to ignore it.

You guys conveniently forget that winning in the NFL is really hard.  Lack of preparation or lack of intensity can cause any team to lose to another....to deny this is just clueless. Teams with new coaching staffs take 6-8 games to get more efficient in the new systems, offensively or defensively.   There are numerous examples over the last few weeks that show some teams improving while others are fading.  Again, things that are unpredictable and can't be measured by SoS.

 

 

 

If Allen went to IR for the rest of the year the SOS is not updated?

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Clueless 🤣😬 

Apparently you can't understand......

So you're saying the eagles shouldn't lose for the rest of the year with their SoS?

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

If Allen went to IR for the rest of the year the SOS is not updated?

Geez, you just proved my point?  SoS is not a predictor of anything. Whether preseason or ongoing?  

If allen goes to IR, how does SoS account for that?  Tell me.....

1 minute ago, birdman#12 said:

Apparently you can't understand......

So you're saying the eagles shouldn't lose for the rest of the year with their SoS?

Technically they should not. Factually they could for some unknown reason. The SOS doesn't tell you who wins it tells you who SHOULD 

2 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

Geez, you just proved my point?  SoS is not a predictor of anything. Whether preseason or ongoing?  

If allen goes to IR, how does SoS account for that?  Tell me.....

The SOS is ongoing it's not "set it and forget it" in preseason lol. If he goes out, they take the BU QB metrics and plug them into the computer which spits out a different SOS based on the teams YET TO FACE(not the ones you already played)

Vegas oddsmakers use SOS to help them, just on  weekly basis(this is how they get odds)

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Technically they should not. Factually they could for some unknown reason. The SOS doesn't tell you who wins it tells you who SHOULD 

Yeah, woulda, coulda, shoulda........how many times has that been used as an excuse over the years.

You say, technically, they should not lose any more games.  Factually, they could for some "unknown reason"......and that's exactly the point I'm trying to make....there are dozens of "unknown reasons" games don't come out they way their predicted.  And SoS takes none of them into consideration.  That's why it's nothing more than a talking point of useless info

3 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Vegas oddsmakers use SOS to help them, just on  weekly basis(this is how they get odds)

Maybe they use it as one of many indicators.......and proportionally, very little.

7 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

The SOS is ongoing it's not "set it and forget it" in preseason lol. If he goes out, they take the BU QB metrics and plug them into the computer which spits out a different SOS based on the teams YET TO FACE(not the ones you already played)

I said preseason SoS and ongoing SoS are different arguments.......

But how did those metrics work out for the cowpies.....or even the eagles?  

So what are the metrics that SoS uses?  

4 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

Yeah, woulda, coulda, shoulda........how many times has that been used as an excuse over the years.

You say, technically, they should not lose any more games.  Factually, they could for some "unknown reason"......and that's exactly the point I'm trying to make....there are dozens of "unknown reasons" games don't come out they way their predicted.  And SoS takes none of them into consideration.  That's why it's nothing more than a talking point of useless info

Right, ok then🤣

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Technically they should not. Factually they could for unknown reason. The SOS doesn't tell you who wins it tells you who SHOULD 

LMAO.......but the SoS says......😀

Just now, birdman#12 said:

I said preseason SoS and ongoing SoS are different arguments.......

But how did those metrics work out for the cowpies.....or even the eagles?  

So what are the metrics that SoS uses?  

You said SOS was "nonsense" LOL. Now that you found out it's ongoing it's not nonsense anymore,it's a "different arguement" LOL. You been learning alot from Ham how to spin your story to try and be right🤣

1 minute ago, birdman#12 said:

LMAO.......but the SoS says......😀

Right SOS won't change after the first 1/4 if Hurts goes out injured fool,but keep trying you just look more foolish the more you post

4 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

LMAO.......but the SoS says......😀

SO tell me where game odds come from,the O/U, total points per game etc I'll wait. Still waiting for you to answer if you'd rather box the heavyweight champ in 5 fights or my grandmother since you know SOS doesn't matter

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

You said SOS was "nonsense" LOL. Now that you found out it's ongoing it's not nonsense anymore,it's a "different arguement" LOL. You been learning alot from Ham how to spin your story to try and be right🤣

WTF are you talking about?  it's different argument but still means nothing. Just because SoS changes doesn't mean it's relevant.  Get a clue......you haven't given me one reason why it means anything, especially if it changes when the direction of the wind blows......

25 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

 

Just using their records is ridiculous.  

 

 

Just using ANYTHING  is ridiculous.   Also ridiculous to not see that who you play isn't a huge factor. 

1 minute ago, birdman#12 said:

WTF are you talking about?  it's different argument but still means nothing. Just because SoS changes doesn't mean it's relevant.  Get a clue......you haven't given me one reason why it means anything, especially if it changes when the direction of the wind blows......

Read the last post moron,it's YOU who are clueless,but I am enjoying the comedic break

Just now, GreenbleedinNC said:

SO tell me where game odds come from,the O/U total points per game. I'll wait

Who cares?  Game odd don't predict outcome either......they're used for betting......a reference point for betting.  Oddsmakers use probabley dozens of statistics and analytics to create the odds.  But How does SoS predict outcomes?  

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just using ANYTHING  is ridiculous.   Also ridiculous to not see that who you play isn't a huge factor. 

Immaterial NONSENSE. It doesn't matter 🤣

2 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

Who cares?  Game odd don't predict outcome either......they're used for betting......a reference point for betting.  Oddsmakers use probabley dozens of statistics and analytics to create the odds.  But How does SoS predict outcomes?  

Nonsense lol

2 minutes ago, birdman#12 said:

But How does SoS predict outcomes?

It doesn't and I stated such,it predicts who SHOULD win

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Just using ANYTHING  is ridiculous.   Also ridiculous to not see that who you play isn't a huge factor. 

You think coaches give sh-- about a team's record, knowing full well that upsets happen all the time?  That letdowns are a fact with players?  That emotion and confidence play big factors in a team's psyche and performance?  Do you think HCs cirlce those supposedly weak games......?   

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nonsense lol

It doesn't and I stated such,it predicts who SHOULD win

Unbelievable.......just keep using that useless SoS measure........it great for the clueless.