Just now, birdman#12 said:

Unbelievable.......just keep using that useless SoS measure........it great for the clueless.

Me and every oddsmaker on the planet will continue to,thanks for your concern

2 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nonsense lol

It doesn't and I stated such,it predicts who SHOULD win

Nonsense?  Ok this discussion is over......keep pushing that idiotic SoS......😀

1 minute ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Me and every oddsmaker on the planet will continue to,thanks for your concern

No, not oddsmakers, like I said, they use dozens of other metrics......

1 minute ago, birdman#12 said:

No, not oddsmakers, like I said, they use dozens of other metrics......

List them please,the dozens of other metrics. I need a list

2 hours ago, Asg 15 said:

Strength of schedule based on last years records are worthless.

Strength of schedule for this year and going forward aren't

Agree but the records I posted are from this year.....

1 hour ago, birdman#12 said:

If it meant anything, then teams wouldn't lose games they're "supposed" to win......

I'm talking about the preseason strength of schedule.  But even the ongoing strength of schedule is no indication of how a team will perform.  

There are so many examples that preseason strength of schedule means nothing that it would take pages of proof to show you.  Ongoing strength of schedule shows nothing because it can't predict divisional rivalries, injuries, upsets for whatever reason and the normal ebbs and flows of the NFL season.  Some teams start out hot and fade, others are bad and play better as the year progresses.  To boil it down to the previous 8 game record is really, really shortsighted.

Just using their records is ridiculous.  

How does it measure divisional rivalry?  How does it predict injuries? for example, how would the bills fare without Josh Allen?

How does it compensate for teams playing better as the year progresses or vice versa?  

It means nothing......and each week of games proves it.  You just choose to ignore it.

You guys conveniently forget that winning in the NFL is really hard.  Lack of preparation or lack of intensity can cause any team to lose to another....to deny this is just clueless. Teams with new coaching staffs take 6-8 games to get more efficient in the new systems, offensively or defensively.   There are numerous examples over the last few weeks that show some teams improving while others are fading.  Again, things that are unpredictable and can't be measured by SoS.

 

 

 

One thing I agree with that Pre season SOS is not accurate. However, Using a teams Record Week 9 or 10 is. I ask you again, which team's schedule would you rather play? Ours or Green Bay's? They play the NFC and AFC East. We play the NFC North and AFC South. I doubt anyone here would want anything other than what we have.

33 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

List them please,the dozens of other metrics. I need a list

GB, he is right about this. Injuries, weather, home team all come into play here. Also, matchups such as if one has a weak secondary and the other a strong passing attack, but is weak running the ball. So records are not the opnly issue making a spread.

12 minutes ago, stine said:

GB, he is right about this. Injuries, weather, home team all come into play here. Also, matchups such as if one has a weak secondary and the other a strong passing attack, but is weak running the ball. So records are not the opnly issue making a spread.

Home team is already figured in as well as if playing in domes or outdoors. When there is a weather issue the other team has to play in it too,not just us. The rest of what you mentoned is accounted for,every match-up. Only time they cannot update is if something occurs IN GAME. I never mentioned records,those are in the PAST,the SOS is the FUTURE. Our preseason schedule was 2nd easiest,that has changed to a bit harder AFTER we beat the easy teams and the records accrue and change the metrics weekly

28 minutes ago, stine said:

One thing I agree with that Pre season SOS is not accurate. However, Using a teams Record Week 9 or 10 is. I ask you again, which team's schedule would you rather play? Ours or Green Bay's? They play the NFC and AFC East. We play the NFC North and AFC South. I doubt anyone here would want anything other than what we have.

Pre season SOS is probably the least accurate all year. Even without knowing how Hurts would do this year we still had the second easiest based on moves we made in the off season and what SHOULD happen. It doesn't say you are guaranteed a win,it says if everyone plays as they always have you SHOULD(or lose as the case may be). So which remaining games are we the underdogs in? Surely if you had a hard SOS there would be 1 or more??

I imagine after the Bills lost, and Allen is out, the SOS got harder for them? SF's SOS got a bit easier after the Caff acquisition while NC's got tougher?

Another tool in SOS is not the record per se but win percentages against common opponents. So the SOS is a composite of many factors,but it's erronoeous to say this is nonsense or there are dozens of other metrics,because basically all those metrics are included already. it cannot measure "momentum" or those types of intangibles, or how loud and disruptive the crowd can be, but it's the culmination of many stats and percentages. And of course it can't measure if say a player isn't feeling well that day which could affect their performance without being injured. I'm sure you've had work days where you just weren't cranking at 100%. You usually make 10 widgets per day,but today you just don't feel well and you only make 9. So your "metric" is 10 widgets per day but yesterday you only made 9,so now your metric is 9.9 widgets today.

2 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

Apparently you can't understand......

So you're saying the eagles shouldn't lose for the rest of the year with their SoS?

No, not they shouldn't lose. Just the odds are in their favor not to lose. 

31 minutes ago, EaglesTD123 said:

No, not they shouldn't lose. Just the odds are in their favor not to lose. 

I'm trying to give up logical explanations. They simply don't work here. The odds of someone saying "oh you're right, and I learned something on here" are less than hitting the Powerball numbers

3 hours ago, birdman#12 said:

You think coaches give sh-- about a team's record, knowing full well that upsets happen all the time?  That letdowns are a fact with players?  That emotion and confidence play big factors in a team's psyche and performance?  Do you think HCs cirlce those supposedly weak games......?   

What are you talking about?  Why is it complicated?   Who you play absolutely effects your record.   If we alternated playing at Buffalo and Kansas City so far you think it's probable that we are 8-0 at the moment?

It's absolutely a factor..  one, uno... single factor.  One of many.

2 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

I'm trying to give up logical explanations. They simply don't work here. The odds of someone saying "oh you're right, and I learned something on here" are less than hitting the Powerball numbers

I learn a ton on here. I have no interest in college ball except to check the Temple score if it's on.    So I learn all these players every winter...etc.     

Question... If a team played Temple or Alabama, wonder if it could have a factor if they win or lose?    😆

1 hour ago, joemas6 said:

What are you talking about?  Why is it complicated?   Who you play absolutely effects your record.   If we alternated playing at Buffalo and Kansas City so far you think it's probable that we are 8-0 at the moment?

It's absolutely a factor..  one, uno... single factor.  One of many.

Ham sammich 😆

7 hours ago, joemas6 said:

Probably want outside eyes to evaluate the staff.

You gotta look big picture.  This is a bad situation....the opposite of " stacked roster "   pretty bad if a guy got his first opportunity to be in charge of the dumpster fire and was then judged for that.   This way nobody gets a negative on their resume, and Irsay can get Saturday in there giving his observation on things.

Observing things and practically guarantee losing….so the tank is on.

Everyone here does obviously understand that our Strength of Schedule goes down with each win we inflict.

2 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Observing things and practically guarantee losing….so the tank is on.

Yeah... let's hope they end up behind the Saints... like one or two spots.

You know we can probably pull off a SF / Chicago trade that was done for Tribusky  

9 hours ago, stine said:

Agree but the records I posted are from this year.....

I posted tankathon’s strength of schedule

8 hours ago, stine said:

GB, he is right about this. Injuries, weather, home team all come into play here. Also, matchups such as if one has a weak secondary and the other a strong passing attack, but is weak running the ball. So records are not the opnly issue making a spread.

We’d get a nice boost if we lost several of these games in SOS. Wash would be 5-4 instead of 4-5.

8 hours ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Pre season SOS is probably the least accurate all year. Even without knowing how Hurts would do this year we still had the second easiest based on moves we made in the off season and what SHOULD happen. It doesn't say you are guaranteed a win,it says if everyone plays as they always have you SHOULD(or lose as the case may be). So which remaining games are we the underdogs in? Surely if you had a hard SOS there would be 1 or more??

Be interesting. Let’s watch the money on the packers game. ARod gets a few guys back. He already knows he can just take another all day on us. Can he still have the patience this season? 

Washington is a winning team if it wasn’t for us. We such win this rematch. Riverboat Ron has nothing to lose in this one. So he’s going to try and make crap happen.

Washington plenty scary if they just let things fly. Chuck it deep and take a dive ….if nothing else.

Fourth down in their own 40….they probably go for it…or fake punt

All out blitzes from the D. There whole franchise covered in cloud. Nobody paying any attention to their team. But they have talent. Tons of high picks. They know us fairly well. So going to be crazy. Not only they going to push the limits on low percentage distance and downs….just throw the fifty fifty ball deep quick…probably what they’ll just go with.