Rodgers, Brady, Allen and Maholmes are the best QB's in the NFL. Dak is 1-9 against them lifetime. His 1 win came when he was a rookie....

51 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We each can hand pick games here LOL. Yes you limit them by taking the ball away and setting up your offense. the offense needs to make them PAY,even if it's a FG.We lead the league in that BY FAR. We've had teams come back on us,but the turnovers saved the day

Yeah, I'm picking games where teams lose because they don't manage the clock with a lead...  that's the point.   You can't pick one under Siri where we lost due to clock management. 

Really the opponent never had the ball with a chance to win in 8 games. I'd say that's the idea.  

When the worst thing is being up by 12 approaching the 2 minute warning with the opponent having the ball on our 30.  That's pretty good. 

54 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

We each can hand pick games here LOL. Yes you limit them by taking the ball away and setting up your offense. the offense needs to make them PAY,even if it's a FG.We lead the league in that BY FAR. We've had teams come back on us,but the turnovers saved the day

We haven't had teams come back on us.  Yes...They have made the lead smaller, but they have never had a chance to be on the field with the opportunity to score and win the game at the end.  That's good game management that really one can't argue.    

Being comfortable with different leads is a matter of opinion. But 8 games without having an opponent be able to score and beat us at the end...that's fantastic!

7 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah, I'm picking games where teams lose because they don't manage the clock with a lead...  that's the point.   You can't pick one under Siri where we lost due to clock management. 

Really the opponent never had the ball with a chance to win in 8 games. I'd say that's the idea.  

When the worst thing is being up by 12 approaching the 2 minute warning with the opponent having the ball on our 30.  That's pretty good. 

Nope, can't pick one because all the teams we have played can't mount an offensive comeback. They don't have the offense. Let's see what happens vs the Gnats and the 2nd Dullaz game where they actually have some offensive tools(I still have no explanation how we shut down the Vikes)

11 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

hen the worst thing is being up by 12 approaching the 2 minute warning with the opponent having the ball on our 30.  That's pretty good. 

Yep Np with that. I just don't wish to start that in the middle of the 3rd 1/4

14 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Yeah, I'm picking games where teams lose because they don't manage the clock with a lead...  that's the point.   You can't pick one under Siri where we lost due to clock management. 

Really the opponent never had the ball with a chance to win in 8 games. I'd say that's the idea.  

When the worst thing is being up by 12 approaching the 2 minute warning with the opponent having the ball on our 30.  That's pretty good. 

You really need to take into account out competition also. We played 2 teams with a winning record.

8 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

But 8 games without having an opponent be able to score and beat us at the end...that's fantastic!

Yep ,because they don't have the offense, and we have a +16 turnover ratio(probably higher than that). Tonight won't be the same team we faced before. I expect some fight out of them. I don't recall us being that bad vs the run without Davis,but suddenly it's apparent we were?. If we hold to that 6+ YPC without Davis vs RB's it's going to be a long night

Heineke is not "wild man" Wentz. We still need to disrupt him. He is alot calmer than Wentz and he will hurt us if we can't get to him

CJG really solidified our secondary. with Slay/Bradberry I hope we find a way to keep him awhile

Sunday marked the first day in the NFL since at least 1940 where three teams all won their games after trailing by 10 or more points entering the fourth quarter, CBS Sports' research department revealed. And they were all teams in the NFC North. The Minnesota Vikings trailed the Buffalo Bills, 27-17, and won 33-30 in overtime. The Detroit Lions trailed the Chicago Bears 24-10, yet won 31-30. And the Green Bay Packers trailed the Dallas Cowboys 28-14, but came back to win in overtime, 31-28.

Also interesting. As of right now the Pats have the last playoff seed in the AFC. That means EVERY AFCE team is in the hunt for the playoffs. Remember back when this division consisted of the Pats and "everyone else" Nice to see life in this division

4 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Sunday marked the first day in the NFL since at least 1940 where three teams all won their games after trailing by 10 or more points entering the fourth quarter, CBS Sports' research department revealed. And they were all teams in the NFC North. The Minnesota Vikings trailed the Buffalo Bills, 27-17, and won 33-30 in overtime. The Detroit Lions trailed the Chicago Bears 24-10, yet won 31-30. And the Green Bay Packers trailed the Dallas Cowboys 28-14, but came back to win in overtime, 31-28.

So,my point is,many times teams get conservative too soon and if the momentum shifts sometimes it's hard to get that offense re-fired up. That's all I am saying. I'm fine with the "ball stall" but IMO, a 10 point lead has not decided the game especially in the 3rd 1/4 and we will get burned at some point when we play more capable teams 

11 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Nope, can't pick one because all the teams we have played can't mount an offensive comeback. They don't have the offense. Let's see what happens vs the Gnats and the 2nd Dullaz game where they actually have some offensive tools(I still have no explanation how we shut down the Vikes)

Ok.... one thing on this...and also explain where we differ.

1.  Double check to make sure that none  of our 8 opponents have come back to win games this year.

They have, just not on us.  ( which has been my point)

2.   We agree schedule has been favorable,  where we seem to disagree is that you seem to assume a 17 point lead is coming every game.  My assumption when the opponent gets more difficult, is that we won't have that lead.  That's when it will be a different game to manage.

But so far when they have had the lead, they eliminated the opportunity for their opponent to be on the field to score and win at the end. 

You tell me.  How many possessions have our opponents had in the second halves to take a lead?  Then go a step further...how many times have they had a chance to take the lead in the 4th Quarter?

This is the idea when you are ahead. To make it as difficult as possible for the opponent to catch up.   Not " make the score closer"  Not running up the score.

As of now. One thing we have is that our team is the best at playing with a lead.  To me, I don't see that changing.  My concern, in a playoff game will we get the lead? 

So,tonight I hope we aren't thinking this is a walk through, they got players back and Heineke is much smarter with the ball than "Imawannabe a hero Wentz" Think we can win the trench war where this game will be won or lost

16 minutes ago, stine said:

You really need to take into account out competition also. We played 2 teams with a winning record.

I take that into account for getting the lead in the first place.  

But these teams have all come back to win games....just not against us. 

Eagles are 2nd in the NFL in yards allowed per play (4.7). In the 46 defensive snaps that K’Von Wallace has been on the field, Eagles have allowed over 13 yards per play. Everytime I see Wallace on the field, I hold my breath as I know a big play is about to happen, either a busted coverage play due to him or a big run from a missed tackle or bad tackle angle. How this man continues to make the Eagles roster is lost on me.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

I take that into account for getting the lead in the first place.  

But these teams have all come back to win games....just not against us. 

All of them have? You know that for sure?

15 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

Heineke is not "wild man" Wentz. We still need to disrupt him. He is alot calmer than Wentz and he will hurt us if we can't get to him

We need to avoid the fluke play... he will turn the ball over, just don't trip on the back judge or fantom hold on the other side of the field.    

Washington shouldn't score 14 points barring a bad turnover from us.  Get 23 and milk the clock.... game over.

2 minutes ago, stine said:

Eagles are 2nd in the NFL in yards allowed per play (4.7). In the 46 defensive snaps that K’Von Wallace has been on the field, Eagles have allowed over 13 yards per play. Everytime I see Wallace on the field, I hold my breath as I know a big play is about to happen, either a busted coverage play due to him or a big run from a missed tackle or bad tackle angle. How this man continues to make the Eagles roster is lost on me.

All of them have? You know that for sure?

Do we need all 8.  Like if 6 have, that's not enough to make my point?

12 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Ok.... one thing on this...and also explain where we differ.

1.  Double check to make sure that none  of our 8 opponents have come back to win games this year.

They have, just not on us.  ( which has been my point)

2.   We agree schedule has been favorable,  where we seem to disagree is that you seem to assume a 17 point lead is coming every game.  My assumption when the opponent gets more difficult, is that we won't have that lead.  That's when it will be a different game to manage.

But so far when they have had the lead, they eliminated the opportunity for their opponent to be on the field to score and win at the end. 

You tell me.  How many possessions have our opponents had in the second halves to take a lead?  Then go a step further...how many times have they had a chance to take the lead in the 4th Quarter?

This is the idea when you are ahead. To make it as difficult as possible for the opponent to catch up.   Not " make the score closer"  Not running up the score.

As of now. One thing we have is that our team is the best at playing with a lead.  To me, I don't see that changing.  My concern, in a playoff game will we get the lead? 

1) They come back but "not on us" because we have an insane + turnover ratio,which supports my point that the DEFENSE wins the games. We have stopped teams "comebacks" by taking the ball away from them defensively.(yes I understand we have a lead lol) What if our turnover ratio was -3 and not +16? Still 8-0??? 2) Starting to look better now,before we were only scoring in 1/4 2 and coasting(due to point #1) We won last game having ONE first down series. before that we were 3 and out and pinned back at the 1. We got the INT when they were ready to score from our 5(or whatever it was) with 3 mins left in the game. We ESCAPED. Happily we got the ONE late first down drive we needed to put them away,but let's not assume this was a blow out 

3 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We need to avoid the fluke play... he will turn the ball over, just don't trip on the back judge or fantom hold on the other side of the field.    

Washington shouldn't score 14 points barring a bad turnover from us.  Get 23 and milk the clock.... game over.

Do we need all 8.  Like if 6 have, that's not enough to make my point?

  Well, how many have done it against teams with a winning record? I am guessing that reduces your total a bit. Anyway, Let's move on. We will all see how they do against better competition soon enough...

13 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

We need to avoid the fluke play... he will turn the ball over, just don't trip on the back judge or fantom hold on the other side of the field.    

Washington shouldn't score 14 points barring a bad turnover from us.  Get 23 and milk the clock.... game over.

Do we need all 8.  Like if 6 have, that's not enough to make my point?

Agreed,like I said,we still need to get to Heineke tonight. I'm a bit concerned about our running defense. Without Davis we are giving up too many yards and they have 2 good RB's now and I assume Thomas will play(the missing TE). Their WR's are good,I think we can cover them ok,but they can beat us with the short game like we beat others 

5 minutes ago, stine said:

  Well, how many have done it against teams with a winning record? I am guessing that reduces your total a bit. Anyway, Let's move on. We will all see how they do against better competition soon enough...

Dullaz LOST and still put up 30 points. 24 from us won't cut it, so really as a team we have not been tested(still can't explain the VIkes game lol)

8 minutes ago, GreenbleedinNC said:

1) They come back but "not on us" because we have an insane + turnover ratio,which supports my point that the DEFENSE wins the games. We have stopped teams "comebacks" by taking the ball away from them defensively.(yes I understand we have a lead lol) What if our turnover ratio was -3 and not +16? Still 8-0??? 2) Starting to look better now,before we were only scoring in 1/4 2 and coasting(due to point #1) We won last game having ONE first down series. before that we were 3 and out and pinned back at the 1. We got the INT when they were ready to score from our 5(or whatever it was) with 3 mins left in the game. We ESCAPED. Happily we got the ONE late first down drive we needed to put them away,but let's not assume this was a blow out 

We were winning by 12....game was coming to an end.  It wasn't close.  They didn't need the INT, an incomplete pass was good enough there.

Also...  do you think part of the reason we put our opponents in position to turnover the ball...is because we limit their possessions by managing the clock the right way?

When they know their chances are limited, they force things...then turnovers happen.   

I think tonight will be a dink and dunk war. We should win that,but I wouldn't just write them off,this is a different team than we faced before. I think it will be a better game than most think. Still seeing a pick 6

4 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Also...  do you think part of the reason we put our opponents in position to turnover the ball...is because we limit their possessions by managing the clock the right way?

Yes,we just differ on the time frame. I don't want to see the stalling begin in the 3rd 1/4.You seem fine with it, but vs better teams, that's not going to work. It's worked to this point because the defense has stopped any comeback attempts. Once they do that 2-3 times per game,it's not hard to play stall ball. SO asking again if the ratio was -3 and not +16 are we still 8-0? I am doubtful. Really I would love to see us down 24 at the 1/2. THEN we will know if this offense is what we think it is. Don't really know to this point 

10 minutes ago, stine said:

  Well, how many have done it against teams with a winning record? I am guessing that reduces your total a bit. Anyway, Let's move on. We will all see how they do against better competition soon enough...

Lol... idk,Steelers on Tampa, but I guess 5-5 isn't a winning record. 

Considering 12 teams have 4 losses in the NFC... not to many teams with winning records.  Kinda limits the opportunity doesn't it. 

Yes we can agree we have been perfect with the lead this year and not given our opponent a chance to take a 4th quarter lead all season.

We can absolutely move on,because chances of us continuing to play with multiple score leads come playoff time are slim.