But exactly. I’ll agree that I only can complain about ARod because of how he has made himself to be high expectations.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Andy Reid can only disappoint if he only wins one SB.  People will give reasons for his flaws on that.

Rich Kotite didn't disappoint because nobody thought he was good.  

Nobody cares about Kotite's clock management or being too pass happy.  

Think AR actually is in a crucial judgement situation.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Absolutely think McCarthy has been in mostly expectations of winning it all. How can you say Dallas or his Packers had less expectations?

I do think it’s a huge point you’re missing

I'm not missing anything...because I didn't disagree with your point.   I simply said it's a different discussion than separating coach from QB.  I used that example of a combo where it's perceived by 99% of the football world that the coach is bad but the QB is good.   

Can’t just kind of luck into one ring. Had opportunities here. But had what? Six or so times he’s had a top team. So he can’t waste all these opportunities with Mahomes now.

Think this is big moments for AR career wise.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

I'm not missing anything...because I didn't disagree with your point.   I simply said it's a different discussion than separating coach from QB.  I used that example of a combo where it's perceived by 99% of the football world that the coach is bad but the QB is good.   

Exactly. But that arguably us one of the most glaring examples.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But exactly. I’ll agree that I only can complain about ARod because of how he has made himself to be high expectations.

Think AR actually is in a crucial judgement situation.

Think AR ...everyone can agree is a good coach.  It's a different thing that you are talking about when it's a disappointment for not winning it all..than simply not being good.   That's the simple point I was making before you go off on a tangent as usual. 

Say Gruden taking over for Dungy is the other.

Just now, cunninghamtheman said:

Exactly. But that arguably us one if the most glaring examples.

Right...it's why I used it as the example 

But took years to come to this conclusion about McCarthy. After ARod exposed him. Yet he still has people looking for him to do it now in Dallas. So still not sure how clear it is.

1 minute ago, joemas6 said:

Right...it's why I used it as the example 

Is it? Other than you now

Hurts I just see as this guy who has been molded by our current coaches more. Pretty much so completely different than ARod. 

4 minutes ago, cunninghamtheman said:

But took years to come to this conclusion about McCarthy. After ARod exposed him. Yet he still has people looking for him to do it now in Dallas. So still not sure how clear it is.

Is it? Other than you now

Not really for me....McCarthy was awful.  Some game time decisions were so bad.  Very happy he is in Dallas.   Probably won't last long though.

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts I just see as this guy who has been molded by our current coaches more. Pretty much so completely different than ARod. 

So you like the coaches then...since you can't really separate them.

2 minutes ago, joemas6 said:

Not really for me....McCarthy was awful.  Some game time decisions were so bad.  Very happy he is in Dallas.   Probably won't last long though.

So you like the coaches then...since you can't really separate them.

McCarthy is no genius

But I blame ARod also

1 minute ago, cunninghamtheman said:

McCarthy is no genius

But I blame ARod also

Ok...McNabb is no Tom Brady...but I blame Andy Reid also.

But yes, I see Hurts and the coaches developing together. So it is tricky to separate. Think he’s made mistakes. But also think he’s just been doing what the coaches said also. They are all improving.

I think AR got caught by the Rams and Faulk.

Think Jimmie Johnson got caught by Bellicheat. 

Two moments we should have prevailed.

Spags learned from what happened to JJ.

Basically Bellicheat never got over on us again(count Giants two wins under Spags for our LB coach).

Not sure who is convinced our coaches are ready and at that level?

Don’t think Reich ever was as a HC.

Many gave him credit for our Lombardi

So we took his underlings. OC and DB coach to run our show.

Young guys are unproven. But also maybe not ruined by so much bad experience. 

Maybe don’t know better

McDermott I really like. I clearly think he’s good enough. But see experience holding him back.

Bills been best team last several years. So he’s failed.

What makes you great as a player or coach? Let me switch to Basketball. Was Coach K great taking our pros to win gold? Him winning by five when we are favored by twenty….is that great?

I don’t think so. I think greatness is a guy makes it happen when he gets any real opportunity.

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

That’s one of the major positives. This team finds ways to get it done.

Yeah vs the 1-7 Texans  and the 4-5 Wuss

 

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Just no doubting he’s a leader. Listen to his teammates talk about him. Describe him.

LOL what's he/they supposed to say? They have jobs to protect too. hard to believe you fall for this baloney. Every player in any interview will say the same thing. Nothing to see here

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Trying to remember an athletic….No Mas and FL still label Hurts ‘black runningQB.’

Can’t remember any of them that also had the work ethic. The coachability.

He is a running QB,the stats bear this out and the eye test bears this out. It boggles my mind that you refuse to see it. Why do you think we run the RPO/play action plays? Because Hurts is a pocket passer? Even when he drops back usually he rolls out to the right,textbook definition of a running QB. That doesn't make him bad(even though I am a hater), but it doesn't excuse the fact that is his best asset and IDK how you can't see this? You actually label Hurts as a pocket passing QB? See which QB's have the most rushing yards,then get back to me

7 hours ago, EaglesTD123 said:

Right now, I can say with confidence that Hurts is very good at making quick, correct decisions. 

I will disagree with you a bit. I will say before hand he has improved. What has really improved is his accuracy. IDK that throwing into double coverage is a good decision really. Forcing the ball will cost you(like vs the Wuss loss). He was fortunate(and improved) that those passes were on target,but let's not confuse that with a good decision. He still needs to make more reads. We all complained before about him not getting the ball out and he's now doing that. That's a "yeah he has grown as a QB" box you can check off. Much better than taking sacks. He will also throw the ball away,which is another sign he has grown. He still tends to make 1 read and make a quick decision, either throwing or running. He needs now(IMO) to make additional reads as a next step. I saw that happen at times, so he is still getting better over time, which is what everyone wants. More growth I see is he is moving in the pocket a bit before that decision comes. So there are signs he is still growing which is nice to see. Still some things left that he needs to work on, but if I mention them I become a HATER.Vs the Wuss he SHOULD have run,but he didn't-WHY? Other games he has O line protection and has time for reads 2,3,4 but stares down read 1. Needs to fix that too. So sorry,I still believe there is more room to get better and he is not Mr. Infallible,then again,I am just a non fan, hater who needs medication lol. So I can agree with you,that he is making decisions quicker,I may argue that some decisions are not correct. Noone is perfect, I get that,so I will continue to be a non fan hater for pointing the imperfections out. The wuss game was one I needed to see. I wasn't expecting it vs them,but it was a game we were down and we didn't come back vs a BU QB(who arguably is better than Wentz,or at least he is more consistent,but that's another discussion) which really hurt at home. So all this is my OPINION and we are facing harder games now vs teams with actual functioning offenses. So we'll see if Hurts continues to grow. The wuss game there were many factors of blame to point to,yet vs a 45- team we couldn't make it happen. All those are things to work on. We just need to peak in January. Make your mistakes now and LEARN and be ready in post season

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I don’t see Hurts as just  a running QB.

He’s an extension of our HC

Maybe OC

I don’t see him as Superman being good.

HUH? Now he is staff extension???? Coach calls the plays and the QB executes them like every other QB in the league.

6 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

Hurts been through tons of big games.

What? WOW .Last year was a cake walk(similar to what the Pats had for 6 years running) beat beat up broken teams,3rd string QB's,teams with their playmakers etc. Still had the 2nd easiest schedule when the year began THIS year. Now that we have beaten up the lesser teams the schedule gets harder now. IMO coming back vs the 1-7 Texans, losing to the 4-5 Wuss, and having to have all the stars align to beat Indy doesn't really constitute the "big games". Those will come post season when we play the GOOD teams and last years "big game" was a 1 and done. So let's get to post season, THEN we will have the 'big games". Let's see if we can win 1 or 2 post season games with home field. That will be the proof

7 hours ago, cunninghamtheman said:

I’d say Mahomes wasted great opportunity as well.

He's old,washed up,needs replaced